Orthodox Jews to hold Anti Israel Protest Outside White House

[Comadreja]

Orthodox Jews to hold Anti Israel Protest Outside White House: To “proclaim and clearly state that Sharon and the State of Israel are illegitimate and they do not represent the Jewish people.”

http://www.israelnn.com/news.php3?id=60749

(IsraelNN.com) Coinciding with this week’s White House visit by Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, the anti-Zionist ultra-Orthodox “Neturei Karta” organization will be protesting outside the White House to “proclaim and clearly state that Sharon and the State of Israel are illegitimate and they do not represent the Jewish people.”

The event will be held on 14 April (Wednesday) in Lafayette Park at noon.

Organizers released the following statement:
“The State of "Israel" does not represent the voice of Judaism and/or the Jewish people. The Torah clearly forbids the formation of a State, for the Jewish people, in their time of exile.

”The Torah forbids stealing land, subjugating and oppressing a people etc.

”The root cause of the endless bloodshed and suffering in the Holy Land is Zionism and the State of Israel.

”The root cause for the continual rise of worldwide anti-Semitism is Zionism and the State of Israel…”

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1. Hasidics?

[mobuto]

2. No, not Hasidic

They are ultra-Orthodox religious extremists; they're not Hasidic. Their homepage has a tasteful little tribute to arch-terrorist Sheik Achmed Yassin - you see, they approve of the killing of Jews who disagree with their interpretation of the scriptures.

One of the great popular misconceptions is that Israel is an inherently religious state. On the contrary, its founders were almost universally secularists. Its establishment has long been opposed by religious extremists on all sides.

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3. I think they do stem ultimately from one of the Hasidic sects

They're nutballs. Definitely the Jew-haters' favorite Jews, though, and the darlings of the dimmer lights of the left -- ironic, since as has already been mentioned they're total religious-extremist NUTBALLS who don't have anything to offer that anyone on the left should like.

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5. they are not Jew haters, the are Zionist haters

and that, is quite a different thing.

[mobuto]

10. They're nuts

They support terrorism.

[Classical_Liberal]

17. They may not like Israel, and they maybe fundies

but supporters of terrorism is a bit of a stretch.

[Classical_Liberal]

8. They're like Amish people, religious nuts maybe, but harmless

I agree they aren't necessarily good for the left. However you should realize they do represent what was the majority theological belief prior to the holicaust.

[mobuto]

11. Harmless?

Well, they showed up at Sheik Yassin's funeral to praise him to the stars. They may not be the ones strapping on the explosive vests (for that matter, Yassin didn't either), but they all serve the same cause.

[Classical_Liberal]

13. They don't believe in zionism

We've established that. Sheik Yassin's death is controversial since he was 1)easily arrested, and 2) an advocate of experimenting with two states. A moderate in the Hamas movement.

[Muddleoftheroad]

14. A moderate in Hamas

Is like saying he was a nice mass murderer.

[Classical_Liberal]

16. That's a nice slogan

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[mobuto]

9. No, they're not Hasidic.

Hasidism is a specific religious sect - or rather a collection of religion sects - that grew up in 18th century Poland. It is a departure from traditional Judaism that brings concepts from the Catholic church - mysticism, the soul, etc. - into Judaism. It is technically incorrect to consider Hasidim as Orthodox, although in recent years that has become the practice. The group at issue here is no less religious than the Hasidim - in fact they're probably more "religious" than most Hasidic Jews are. But there are differences and you can't lump everyone together. Some religious fanatics support the existence of the State of Israel, and many don't. Some of those who don't are Orthodox and others are Hasidim.

[Classical_Liberal]

15. They are hungarian and hasidic

http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/Judaism/nk.html

as for whether Jews believe in the Soul only as a result of christians. Well more likely it is Zoastrainism, that is responsible for this belief in both faiths.

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/judaism06.html

Needless to say christianity didn't exist at all before Jews started speaking of things like souls.

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[Classical_Liberal]

7. If Israel is the root cause of antisemitism how did

all those bad things happen to Jews way before Israel was a thought in the body of politics?

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[Classical_Liberal]

6. I don't think it does any good to offer a critique of

Israel that claims that only this small sect is Jewish, there-fore Israel isn't representative of the Jewish people. Most Jews support Israel's existence but not Sharon, or the settlers. Nor is it helpful to say that Israel is the root cause antisemitism when in fact it existed before Israel was founded. The root cause of antisemitism is the belief on the part of many Christians that non Christians are going to hell. Israel's founding based on the displacement of Palestinians is an inflammatory, not a cause.

[Lithos]

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