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Purveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 01:50 PM
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Seven Israeli Women Held Over Right-Wing Violence
By Agence France-Presse
Sunday, December 4, 2011

JERUSALEM Seven young Israeli women, six of them minors, have been arrested on suspicion of participating in the destruction of hundreds of Palestinian olive trees, Israeli police said on Sunday.

The women are also accused of taking part in demonstrations against the dismantling of illegal settlement outposts in the West Bank, during which Israeli army equipment was damaged, a police spokeswoman told AFP.

The women have not yet been charged, but will appear before a court later on Sunday where police will request their detention be extended, she added.

The Palestinians accuse Israel of rarely acting against Israelis accused of destroying Palestinian property, including hundreds of olive trees throughout the West Bank.

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http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/12/04/seven-israeli-wom...
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 01:59 PM
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Kurmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 03:58 PM
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2. They're not helping...
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 04:12 PM
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3. I'm shocked
shocked Israeli authorities actually arrested people for this, usually the eye is quite blindfolded
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 05:28 PM
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4. does this mean Israel has a system of justice?
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 05:41 PM
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5. why yesa indeed Israel does have a system of justice and an amazingly efficient one at that
well at least when Palestinians in the OPT are involved the conviction rate is 99.74%, Roy Bean could only dream of such things

now in case we'll see if there is a follow up story, my guess is that these women will be quite quickly released despite the request foe extended detention
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 06:43 PM
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6. Are there no Israeli Jews who object to this?
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 06:51 PM
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7. which the women being detained or the amazing conviction rate of Palestinians in the OPT?
however I'd yes there are Israeli Jews that would object to either one or the other I'm not too sure about both though at least the same person
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 06:55 PM
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8. well, perhaps my stepdaughter who studied as a rabbi in Israel might be a better
source. She has a good eye for sexism and anti-semitism...
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 09:55 PM
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10. well that's nice indeed, what does that have to do with this discussion ?
wouldn't her input be better on one of the threads about women singing have you posted anything from her on one of those?

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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-11 12:30 AM
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13. A better source for what, exactly?
As sexism and antisemitism have nothing to do with what was being discussed, I'm not sure why you raised them...
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-11 07:42 AM
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15. my stepdaughter has lived there...
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-11 01:36 PM
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17. still does not explain your remarks about antisemitism
or is not antisemitic when ask a question specific to Israeli Jews but when I answer it in the same manner specific to Israel Jews it is antisemitism? or at least that is what your reply would indicate
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-11 02:54 PM
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18. was wondering about this: shocked Israeli authorities actually arrested people for this, usually t
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-11 03:24 PM
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19. Historically speaking Israeli authorities do not have the best record
of arresting Israeli's for offenses against Palestinians in the OPT let alone trial and conviction

When Palestinians harm Israeli citizens, the Israeli authorities use all means to arrest suspects and prosecute them, including measures that do not comport with international law and that flagrantly breach human rights. The military courts impose maximum sentences on those convicted. However, when Israelis harm Palestinians, the authorities implement an undeclared policy of forgiveness, compromise, and leniency in punishment.

This policy is evident from the start, in the actions of law enforcement authorities in the field the IDF and the Israel Police which fail to take the necessary actions to prevent harm to Palestinians and to their property, and to stop attacks by settlers in real time. The arms of government and of the law, jointly and separately, tend to belittle Israeli civilians' violence against Palestinians in the Occupied Territories.

Israeli security forces have done little to prevent settler violence or to arrest offenders. Many acts of violence have never been investigated; in other cases, investigations have been drawn out and resulted in no action being taken against anyone. According to B'Tselem's follow-up with the Israel Police on incidents in which settlers injured Palestinians or Palestinian property in the years 2007-2010, 67 percent of investigation files opened have been closed date; indictments were filed in 8 percent of cases regarding which B'Tselem wrote to the police. In cases where settlers were tried and convicted, they were generally given extremely light sentences in stark contrast to the policy of law enforcement and punishment where Palestinians harm Israelis.

Many Palestinians avoid filing a complaint with the police for injury at the hands of settlers, among other reasons, because they do not trust the Israeli legal system. The police usually refuse to investigate an incident unless a complaint is filed, even if they are informed of it by other sources.


http://www.btselem.org/settler_violence/law_enforcement

now as pointed out in this story and the original from AFP the same young women were also involved in damaging IDF equipment in which case the arrests are not so shocking at all

Seven young Israeli women, six of them minors, have been arrested on suspicion of participating in the destruction of hundreds of Palestinian olive trees

The women are also accused of taking part in demonstrations against the dismantling of illegal settlement outposts in the West Bank, during which Israeli army equipment was damaged, a police spokeswoman told AFP.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iw2_...



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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-11 03:41 PM
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21. my stepdaughter might or might not agree with your source.
I would ask her opinion as a reform Jewish woman who has lived recently in an orthodox Jewish country. I don't know enough about Israel to judge.
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-11 03:53 PM
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22. yes true enough some in Israel do not approve of B'Tselem
in fact the Israeli government is trying to 'correct' or limit the type of reporting B'tselem and other such organizations do right now
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 07:04 PM
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9. Why does the article call them women if they are minors?
Shouldn't it say that girls were arrested rather than women?
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 09:56 PM
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11. perhaps they were beyond the age of bat mitzvah ?
Edited on Sun Dec-04-11 10:19 PM by azurnoir
but your protest is noted
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 11:09 PM
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12. What a truly bizarre comment
The article says they are minors but then says they are women. That inconsistency was what I was pointing out.
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-11 03:29 PM
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20. The article says "young women" doesn't it? rather than just "women" as you seem to claim
now Bat Mitzvah is usually considered the beginning of womenhood isn't it? I believe if memory serves the usual age is 14 and young women there for could be anyone over that age and minor is anyone under 18 so apparently 6 of those arrested were under 18 but yet old enough to be referred as "young women"
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 03:00 AM
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23. The headline says "Women"
Edited on Tue Dec-06-11 03:00 AM by oberliner
It's even the subject line of the thread.

Women, not young women.
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 02:33 PM
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24. The first sentence of the snip
Edited on Tue Dec-06-11 02:33 PM by azurnoir
"Seven young Israeli women, six of them minors, have been arrested on suspicion of participating in the destruction of hundreds of Palestinian olive trees, Israeli police said on Sunday'

however do actually have anything to say about the subject other than nitpicking the title?
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-11 12:31 AM
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14. I'd put it down to a bit of journalistic sloppiness n/t
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-11 12:32 PM
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16. Report: Israeli settlers kidnap Palestinian shepherd in West Bank
Palestinian official tells WAFA news agency that Yitzhar settlement abducted Salim Shehadeh, 60, seizing 50 of his sheep.

<snip>

"Israeli settlers kidnapped a Palestinian shepherd on Monday, Palestinian media reports citing Palestinian officials claimed on Monday, adding that the residents of the settlement of Yitzhar also seized some of the man's flock.

The official WAFA Palestinian news agency cited a Palestinian official in charge of tracking settler activity in the northern West Bank as saying that the Yitzhar residents took Salim Shehadeh, 60, to the settlement near Nablus.

Another report, this time in the independent Palestinians news agency Ma'an, said that Shehadeh, a resident of the Palestinian village of Orif near Nablus, was attacked and then taken by six settlers.

Quoting village council head Fawzi Shehadeh, the report also claimed that the settlers seized 50 of the man's sheep as they abducted him."

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/report-is...
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