Rock legend Bob Dylan to play in Israel: report

[oberliner]

JERUSALEM — Rock icon Bob Dylan is to perform in Israel on June 20, Haaretz newspaper reported on Thursday.

The report said that Dylan, who will turn 70 in May, would play a single concert at the Ran Gan stadium near Tel Aviv, Israel's biggest with a capacity of 40,000.

Haaretz said the performance would be part of Dylan's world tour, due to start next month in Taiwan.

The singer-songwriter has played Israel twice before, in 1987 and 1993.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gk3TXYL3kqrKFqHr5G8W-jCVrUdg?docId=CNG.c12c42e1eb18dc96618211ff9ac66120.621

[ClayZ]

1. The Eastern World, it is exploding... he best stay home.

K and R

[azul]

3. Naw, he is still a rebel.

His big chance to sing Masters of WAR!

[shaayecanaan]

34. But is he still a terrorist supporter?

In a 1971 interview, Bob Dylan made positive comments about (Meir) Kahane. In Time Magazine, Dylan stated, "He's a really sincere guy. He's really put it all together." According to Kahane, Dylan did attend several meetings of the Jewish Defense League in order to find out "what we're all about" and started to have talks with the rabbi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meir_Kahane)

The Jewish Defence League was (and to some extent remains) the principal Jewish terrorist group in the United States:-

In a 1986 study of domestic terrorism, the Department of Energy concluded: "For more than a decade, the Jewish Defense League (JDL) has been one of the most active terrorist groups in the United States....Since 1968, JDL operations have killed 7 persons and wounded at least 22. Thirty-nine percent of the targets were connected with the Soviet Union; 9 percent were Palestinian; 8 percent were Lebanese; 6 percent, Egyptian; 4 percent, French, Iranian, and Iraqi; 1 percent, Polish and German; and 23 percent were not connected with any states. Sixty-two percent of all JDL actions are directed against property; 30 percent against businesses; 4 percent against academics and academic institutions; and 2 percent against religious targets." (Department of Energy, Terrorism in the United States and the Potential Threat to Nuclear Facilities, R-3351-DOE, January 1986, pp. 11-16)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_defence_league#Terrorism

At one time, Dylan was a vocal supporter of a Jewish terrorist movement, and he has never to my knowledge recanted any of that support. Nor has anyone in the media ever attempted to seriously question him regarding his involvement in that movement.

[oberliner]

35. Typical BS smear

Take one off-handed, alleged comment from a 40 year old blurb in Time magazine and extrapolate from it that someone is a "terrorist supporter" - sounds like the kind of nonsense the far-RW folks like to do with Obama vis-a-vis the Weather Underground characters.

The "According to Kahane.." sentence in the Wikipedia article, incidentally, links to nothing.

And, of course, in 1971 neither Kahane nor the JDL had engaged in any terrorist activities. All of the actions described in the second Wikipedia article are from well after that time.

Sad to have a post at DU that mirrors the: "Obama! Bill Ayers! Terrorist-supporter!" line of thinking.

[shaayecanaan]

37. Its quite unfortunate that you're unwilling to condemn terrorism in all its forms...

and its outrageous that you would compare this to the Obama-Bill Ayers controversy. Obama shared a cup of coffee with a person of whom he knew next to nothing, other than he was a University of Chicago professor.

Dylan knowingly associated with a virulent anti-Arab racist (and he was as much a racist in 1971 as he was later in his career). Had Obama called Louis Farrakhan a "really sincere guy" in the 70s I doubt you would be anywhere near as forgiving.

[oberliner]

40. Hilarious

Seriously, you have no idea what you are talking about.

There is zero evidence that Dylan "knowingly associated with a virulent anti-Arab racist" and there is certainly zero evidence that he is (or I am?) a "terrorist supporter" as you claimed in your last post.

Any claim to the contrary is just as, if not more, outrageous than asserting any kind of relationship between Obama and Bill Ayers.

[shaayecanaan]

43. Hmm?

"Seriously, you have no idea what you are talking about."

And presumably you do? Are you contending that Kahane was not a racist? Or perhaps you know some background info on either Dylan or the Kahanist movement that would clear the whole matter up?

[azurnoir]

41. In all fairness it is pretty well documented that Dylan met with Kahane

in 1971, as part of an 'exploration of his(Dylan's) Jewishness', however after that Dylan also associated with Jews for Jesus for a time so it was a meandering exploration

[shaayecanaan]

44. I can't say I've made any serious study of Dylan

but I have to say on the basis of the public appearances I have seen he presents as a singularly confused and dim-witted individual. I think the "exploring" motif commonly associated with him is probably part of this.

Pointless aside: I didn't know until now that Kahane presided at Arlo Guthrie's bar mitzvah. Unlike Dylan, Guthrie has repudiated him by saying that although he was a "nice patient man" at the time that he knew Kahane, he subsequently went "haywire":-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arlo_Guthrie

[azurnoir]

45. Thanks didn't know about Arlo but ...........

he is a Republican these days? Ron Paul supporter ? my how times change

sidenote I had forgotten but Dylan's younger brother David (Zimmerman) was my sisters elementary school music teacher needless to say they learned lots of Dylan songs

[shaayecanaan]

46. I guess in the end these musicians weren't the most reliable of characters, eh?

I always thought that allowing musicians to inform your political views was like asking your accountant to fix your car. Who would have thought that a bunch of lazy, self-indulgent twats would be less than rigourous or consistent when it came to politics?

I had a look at Arlo Guthrie's blog, his views seem all over the place - supporting the Republicans but also public sector unions, for instance...

[azurnoir]

47. your absolutely right

I really do not follow too closely what cause "Brangelina" or whom ever is championing this week, its all twaddle really and depending can actually hurt more than help say like Ashton Kutchers 2004support of John Kerry the Repubs had a heyday with Kelso for Kerry

[azurnoir]

42. again in all fairness you have to view Dylan's 1971 meeting with Kahane

through the 'lens' of that time not through that of history, I got the impression that you are in your late 20's or early 30's from another post of yours, taking that into account in 1971 Kahane/JDL was considered as one of a large number of what was then called 'anti-establishment' rights groups there was not any real sorting, out of left/right wing with these groups at the time, that came later or as it said hindsight is 20/20, but at the time he was considered part of the 'revolution'

eta I will be 55 in a few weeks and remember 1971 pretty well

[Ken Burch]

29. Dylan didn't write "Eve of Destruction"

Then again...neither did Barry McGuire. He just sang it, and sang it as badly as it deserved to be sung

I mean "Take a look at all the hate in Red China/Then take a look around at Selma, Alabama"?

:wtf:

[azul]

2. Why did he ever do a Victoria's Secrets commercial?

Humdinger, folk singer.

[Ken Burch]

30. He did?

Please tell me he just SANG in it...nobody wants the visual of Dylan in lingerie.

:puke:

[napoleon_in_rags]

4. I'll bet that will be a hell of a show.

Some great messages for the ME:

Come mothers and fathers
Throughout the land
And don't criticize
What you can't understand
Your sons and your daughters
Are beyond your command
Your old road is
Rapidly agin'.
Please get out of the new one
If you can't lend your hand
For the times they are a-changin'.

[Violet_Crumble]

5. I think Bob Dylan reached his 'best before' date a few decades ago...

And many decades ago he wrote some amazing songs that other bands peformed far better than he originally did. The below video proves my point. Watch it. Be in awe of Masters of War...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEPAx37GsU0&feature=related

[azurnoir]

6. He's playing quite a few dates in Australia on this tour

about 9 I think

http://www.boblinks.com/dates.html

eta the song he did better than any cover that I've heard was Subterranean Homesick Blues, its also one of my favorites

[oberliner]

8. Not sure how reliable that website is

They spelled Italy wrong for crying out loud.

[azurnoir]

9. True enough but they do have him listed for Tel Aviv

and they have ticket sales info for all the dates including the misspelled Italy

[azurnoir]

10. wrong place n/t

[Violet_Crumble]

11. Yeah, other dinosaurs like Blondie did quite a few shows here...

For the record, if Pearl Jam had ever covered Subterranean Homesick Blues (which I'm going off fangrrl memory here that they haven't covered), then there'd be one version that's infinitely more refined, awesome and all-round amazing than the original...

[azurnoir]

14. well not to be disagreeable but some songs IMO

shouldn't be refined SHB is one of them it was meant to rather rough I think INXS covered it years back and that cover imitated the original to a large degree

[Violet_Crumble]

17. I know what yr getting at. It's the way I feel about covers of The Smiths...

This has to be about the most horrendous cover of any song ever done. 'I am the sun and the air!' *snicker. They couldn't even get the lyrics right...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eGvmB8Phk8

And for those of us who need their eyes and ears cleansed after watching that monstrosity, here's the original....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHvbbJ0Sspc&feature=fvsr

Never EVER cover The Smiths, not even if yr Death Cab For Cutie!

[azurnoir]

22. ok that one is up there with the Cardigans cover of Iron Man

as things better not done I won't subject anyone to that insult to the ears

[Violet_Crumble]

24. I've never heard the original. I really don't much like Black Sabbath...

I've got The Cardigan's First Band on the Moon on my ipod (courtesy of my Swedish music phase that I fast grew out of thanks to the Hives) and I always skip Iron Man coz I saw who wrote it and figured it'd be something I'd find hard to pretend to enjoy.

btw, I'd like to throw my hat in the ring for Best Thread Hijack Of The Week. I've managed to change the subject to Pearl Jam, The Smiths and 'name the worst cover of all time' with very little effort. Yay me! :)

[azurnoir]

25. 'sheet' lol n/t

[Dick Dastardly]

26. How bout if these versions of Black Sabbath were played in Tel Aviv

For those unfamiliar with the songs the actual songs are linked at the end


"N.I.B./Basically"

Some people say my love cannot be true
please believe me, my love, and I'll show you
I will give you those things you thought unreal
The sun, the moon, the stars all bear my seal

Oh yeah!

Follow me now and you will not regret
leaving the life you led before we met
You are the first to have this love of mine
forever with me 'till the end of time

Your love for me has just got to be real
before you know the way I'm going to feel
I'm going to feel
I'm going to feel

Oh yeah!

Now I have you with me, under my power
Our love grows stronger now with every hour
Look into my eyes, you will see who I am
my name is Netanyahu(Lucifer), please take my hand

Oh yeah!

Follow me now and you will not regret
leaving the life you led before we met
You are the first to have this love of mine
forever with me 'till the end of time

Your love for me has just got to be real
before you know the way I'm going to feel
I'm going to feel
I'm going to feel

Oh yeah!

Now I have you with me, under my power
Our love grows stronger now with every hour
Look into my eyes, you will see who I am
my name is Netanyahu(Lucifer) , please take my hand


original
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytwY-atTfpM



Zionist War Pigs


Zionist Generalsgathered in their masses
Just like witches at black masses
Evil minds that plot destruction
Sorcerers of death's construction
In the fields the bodies burning
As the war machine keeps turning
Death and hatred to mankind
Poisoning their brainwashed minds... Oh Lord yeah!

Politicians hide themselves away
They only started the war
Why should they go out to fight?
They leave that role to the poor, yeah

Time will tell on their power minds
Making war just for fun
Treating people just like pawns in chess
Wait 'till their Judgment day comes, yeah!

Now in darkness, world stops turning
Ashes where the bodies burning
No more Zionist War Pigs of the power
Hand of God has struck the hour
Day of Judgment, God is calling
On their knees the Zionist War Pigs crawling
Begging mercy for their sins
Netanyahu(Satan), laughing, spreads his wings
Oh Lord yeah!

original
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZCyOWLrRTE


(Sharon) Blubber Man

Has he lost his mind?
Can he see or is he blind?
Can he walk at all,
Or if he moves will he fall?
Is he alive or dead?
Has he thoughts within his head?
We'll just pass him there
why should we even care?

He was turned to Blubber
in the great George Foreman Grill cheeseburger field
When he travelled time
for the future of Zionistkind


Nobody wants him
He just stares at the world
Planning his vengeance
that he will soon unfurl

Now the time is here
for Blubber Man to spread fear
Vengeance from the grave
Kills the people he once saved

Nobody wants him
They just turn their heads
Nobody helps him
Now he has his revenge

Heavy boots of Blubber
fills his victims full of dread
Running as fast as they can
Blubber Man lives again!


original
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QQ0hH4MYsk&feature=related

[Violet_Crumble]

27. Personally I think even the mention of Black Sabbath should be considered a war-crime n/t

[Ken Burch]

31. As well as any mentions of the George Foreman Cheeseburger Grill

n/t.

[oberliner]

7. Pearl Jam performed that song during their concert in Israel in 1995

They were opening for Neil Young whom I believe they actually met through Bob Dylan.

[Violet_Crumble]

12. No surprise. They play it a lot. Eddie Vedder played it at the show I just went to...

Are you a Pearl Jam fan? It's just that I think yr pretty close with how they met Neil Young (I've always thought they met at a Bob Dylan tribute that they both appeared at), and that level of knowledge of pointless trivia means that if yr not a Pearl Jam fan, yr a Neil Young (acceptable), or Bob Dylan fan...

[oberliner]

13. Oh - so you don't think there was any special meaning behind playing it in Israel?

Didn't realize it was a standard part of the set.

And I'm a fan of all of the people you've listed there.

[Violet_Crumble]

15. Not really, no...

No more special than when Eddie Vedder played it here. It's not something Pearl Jam plays just about every show, and they didn't play it when I saw them in Sydney in 1998, but it pops up with some frequency...

fwiw, while I applaud Elvis Costello and the Pixies for taking a stand about something they feel strongly about, as a music fan I'm glad fellow Pearl Jam fans in Israel got a chance to see them play. Not a particularly logical way to think, but I can't help it...

[oberliner]

20. There is a FB group dedicated to getting them to come back this year

Group is called: Bring Pearl Jam to Israel in 2011!

They've got about a thousand members.

Doesn't look like it's happening though.

[Violet_Crumble]

21. I wish them luck, even though I couldn't understand a thing they said in that FB group...

It was all Hebrew to me. From what I know, Eddie Vedder's been doing the solo tour thing in the first part of this year (just in case anyone missed me raving about how awesome the concert was), and Pearl Jam are touring North America, but I haven't heard about anything else.

[azurnoir]

23. On the subject of bands playing Israel

do you know if Disturbed is?

[oberliner]

36. I don't even know what Disturbed is, let alone where they are playing

Not familiar with that band and/or person.

[King_David]

16. Good , I will try and go to the concert nt

[Violet_Crumble]

18. Thought you said you didn't live in Israel n/t

[King_David]

19. I visit my brothers often.

[TomClash]

28. He played in my neighborhood park a few years ago

Save your money. Once great, now he's done.

[Ken Burch]

32. I assume he'll be playing "Neighborhood Bully"

n/t.

[oberliner]

33. I don't think he has every played that in concert

He hasn't played it when he has performed in Israel in the past.

[azurnoir]

38. do you think he'll play

The Times They Are A-Changing or Blowing in the Wind?

eta to add link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCWdCKPtnYE

[oberliner]

39. I would imagine so

Those are pretty popular songs of his.