Study: 61% of men don't see forced sex with acquaintance as rape

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http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/study-61-of-men-don-t-see-forced-sex-with-acquaintance-as-rape-1.337637


When asked whether they viewed forced sex with a spouse as rape, only 8.5 percent of women and 7.3 percent of men said yes.



Over half of Israeli men - 61 percent - do not consider forcing sex on an acquaintance as rape, a study conducted by Tel-Hai Academic College recently found. Moreover, 41 percent of Israeli women share that view.

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"The importance of the study is that it empirically documents the public's tolerant attitude toward rape by an acquaintance, which is the most common form of sexual assault," said Moor. "In contrast to the law - which does not distinguish between rape in which the assailant knows the victim and rape in which the assailant is a stranger - the public doesn't view forced sex by a prior acquaintance as rape in every regard, and minimizes its severity.

"Consequently, the justice system, and sometimes even the victims themselves, have trouble identifying a situation as rape, and therefore as a crime ... for which the guilty party must be punished," she continued. "As a result of this view, women who are raped by an acquaintance have trouble getting support ... and are even accused of creating the conditions for the incident to occur, while the attackers aren't denounced or punished."

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good grief!

[Drale]

1. I bet ifyou go back 50 years in this country the numbers where much the same

Unfortunately this is an issue of culture and it takes want and time for a culture to change

[saras]

2. Women's right to self-defense

Intellectually I know it doesn't work, that the men will have the guns and use them faster, but this is one of the few justifications for people (women, in this case) to carry concealed firearms that I find emotionally convincing.

[haikugal]

3. Maybe

But carrying bear spray, mace etc. works without the need to carry a firearm. The object is to get away not be a Jane Wayne.

[azurnoir]

4. hopefully this survey was errant , it came from a very small sample

and had a large error margin from Maan (of all places)

The study comes in the wake of the high-profile rape conviction of former Israeli president Moshe Katsav, who had been charged with assaulting members of his staff.

The poll was conducted among 160 women and 159 men and has a margin of error of 11.74 percentage points.

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=352410

[hayu_lol]

6. The survey sample is way too small to be legit...

a margin of error of 11.74% is totally unacceptable.

Would have to see the survey questions and description of the respondents before deciding any validity in this survey.

Using this survey, go to GAZA and get their answers.

To be fair however, this survey, sample, and margin of error would NOT be acceptable in the US. It certainly is not worthy of being published anywhere...ummm...perhaps FAUX news or Newsmax.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

7. 61% -11.74% = 49.26%.

I realise you're desperate to rubbish anything that might reflect badly on Israel, but you'll need to do better than that - assuming that by "margin of error" they mean "5% confidence interval", this study would indicate that there's a better than 90% chance that more than 50% of Israeli men answered yes.

Non-mathematicians nearly always overestimate the importance of random error and underestimate the importance of non-random bias: provided you pick your sample correctly, even a small sample will give remarkably accurate results, and if you don't no matter how large it is it won't. If you want to dismiss this poll, you'll need to find evidence that they picked their interviewees badly.

[oberliner]

8. This survey doesn't reflect badly on Israel at all

Not sure why you (or anyone else) would think that it does.

[bemildred]

10. Doesn't tell you much, it says 41% of the women agree.

Shows the usual bizarreness of human sexuality, I suppose.

The questions are posed in deliberately non-specific ways. I would wager that if the questions were made more specifically violent, the "it's rape" numbers would go up.

But it does show that aggressive male behavior is considered OK, no surprise.

And no doubt the Katsav business, sex under color of authority, is quite to the point.

[FBaggins]

5. I find that very hard to believe.

I'd like to see the actual question that was asked (along with the sample group).

My guess is that it isn't being reported correctly.

[Kurska]

9. A 319 person sample size? Are they for fucking real?

What a joke of a study. What do they mean by "Forced", what do they mean by "Sex", these are basic questions that should be asked of any study reporting on a subject like this and yet it is nowhere in the article.

This shit just sounds like bad science.

[hayu_lol]

11. Wonder what the results would be if these same questions...

were posed to members of the fundie right in the US?

What specific religious groups were included in this very limited sample? Orthodox answers might vary widely from those answers from non-religious Israelis. We can assume that they would vary widely--certainly more so than this sample...a sample where an entire country is being slammed by only 160 respondents(half of the sample).

For the sake of argument about the validity(or lack of it)of this study, one would almost have to run the same questions past the people of Iran, Iraq, Syria, GAZA, WB, Lebanon, Afghanistan, Pakistan and all the other related countries and see how they might be the same or with results even worse.

If this study gets into print, be assured that it will be attacked for its obviously-flawed methodology.

[LeftishBrit]

12. Depressing - but not, I think, that different from what you'd get in many other places.

The whole idea of 'date rape' as a crime is fairly recent in most countries; and many people still have the attitude that 'if she agreed to go out with you, she can't really mean it when she says no.'

Until 1991, a husband could not be convicted of raping his wife in Britain.