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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 02:30 PM
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PLAME/EDMONDS/AIPACGATE UPDATE: Rosen Threatens to Open Pandora's Box
*I would like to thank Purveyor and seafan for making me aware of some of the more current links that I cite.

PLAME/EDMONDS/AIPACGATE UPDATE: Rosen Threatens to Open Pandora's Box

Essentially, there is only one investigation a very big one, an all-inclusive one. Completely by chance, I, a lowly translator, stumbled over one piece of it. But I can tell you there are a lot of people involved, a lot of ranking officials, and a lot of illegal activities that include multi-billion-dollar drug-smuggling operations, black-market nuclear sales to terrorists and unsavory regimes, you name it. And of course a lot of people from abroad are involved. It's massive. So to do this investigation, to really do it, they will have to look into everything That's the beauty of it. You can start from the AIPAC angle. You can start from the Plame case. You can start from my case. They all end up going to the same place, and they revolve around the same nucleus of people. There may be a lot of them, but it is one group. And they are very dangerous for all of us.

-Sibel Edmonds

About a year ago, I had reached the acceptance stage of my grief over the fact that justice would not be served and the perpetrators behind the outing of Valerie Plame, the corruption that Sibel Edmonds witnessed before the FBI fired her and the espionage at AIPAC would never pay for their crimes. The cover-up of these crimes by both the justice system and the mainstream media (MSM) put me in a depression that for six months made writing a blog seem like a waste of time. But by November of 2009, I had moved on to documenting other aspects of deep politics in the midst of a global scenario of permanently declining resources. The prospect of finding justice in a labyrinthian conspiracy I had spent the past five years documenting was not even worth entertaining anymore.

One year later, that possibility is still facing astronomical odds. But there is a faint glimmer of hope; the slightest shred of a chance. This is why:


Ex-AIPAC official threatens to uncover mass spying at Israel lobby

By Daniel Tencer
Sunday, November 21st, 2010 -- 11:41 am

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQcDjOgtVFJeYOV...

Ex AIPAC official threatens to uncover mass spying at Israel lobby

Top AIPAC officials visited prostitutes, regularly watched porn at work: claim

Is US's most influential advocate for Israel about to implode?


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Steve Rosen, who was in charge of foreign policy issues at AIPAC until 2005, is suing his former employer for $20 million, alleging that AIPAC defamed him when they fired him. Rosen and colleague Keith Weissman were charged in 2004 with espionage for allegedly pressuring a Washington Post reporter into running classified US government information they had obtained about Iran. The charges were dropped last year, evidently due to lack of evidence.

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Rosen says his actions were common practice at the organization. He said his next move is to show that AIPAC, Washingtons major pro-Israeli lobbying group by far, regularly traffics in sensitive U.S. government information, especially material related to the Middle East.

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"Unfortunately for AIPAC, Rosen has 180 documents which could prove that Howard Kohr, AIPAC's executive director, and probably the AIPAC board as well, knew exactly what Rosen was doing," reports M.J. Rosenberg at Al-Jazeera.

He suggests that Rosen's threat to reveal AIPAC trafficking of data is meant to intimidate the lobby group into settling out of court. Making the lawsuit go away "will not be easy - even if Steve Rosen ultimately accepts a payoff from the organization and refrains from telling what he knows," Rosenberg writes.

more...

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/11/official-uncover-mas... /


As the story notes, there is still the strong possibility the truth will remain covered up through an out of court settlement. But if that doesn't happen, the revelations Rosen possesses could be the equivalent of what James McCord revealed to Judge Sirica in a letter dated March 19, 1973. That letter, which stated that perjury had occurred and the Watergate burglars had plead guilty under pressure from John Dean and former Attorney General John Mitchell. As wikipedia summarizes, "His letter set off the Watergate scandal in earnest by implicating many higher-ups in the Richard Nixon administration for covering up the conspiracy that led to the burglary." I noted the potential for a similar Pandora's Box opening existed within the AIPAC spy scandal in the second edition of American Judas three years ago:


On January 20, 2006, Judge T.S. Ellis, III sentenced Franklin to 12 years and 7 months in prison sentence and a $10,000 fine for passing classified information to a pro-Israel lobby group and an Israeli diplomat. In August, he denied Weissman and Rosen's motion to dismiss their indictment on the grounds that the government could still prosecute and punish those who retransmitted classified information regardless of whether they had a security clearance or not, an interpretation of the Espionage Act that could have wide-reaching implications if it were allowed to become legal precedent. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIPAC_espionage_scandal This was done in spite of the efforts of defense lawyers, who tried to excuse their clients actions by claiming that Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice leaked national defense information to a pro-Israel lobbyist in the same manner that Franklin did. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20... While the defenses attempt to highlight this as an example of backchannel exchanges that are part and parcel of how Washington works failed to persuade Judge Ellis to dismiss the case, in light of Ledeens implication that Rice approved of Hadley authorizing the December 2001 Rome meeting between Franklin and Ghorbanifar, this might turn out to be a Pandoras Box if the defense chooses to open it when Weissman and Rosens trial occurs later this year.



Steven J. Rosen AIPAC

I believe Rosen's documentation could be just as explosive if allowed to publicly see the light of day. If anyone could do it, it seems the most likely bet that it would come through a powerful disgruntled former employee with an axe to grind and a sex scandal tied in to boot. The biggest impediment, even if Rosen does have his day in court, is MSM. When will they awake from their collective slumber and report the deep dark truth? This timeline doesn't give any indication that they ever will:


DC Press Corps Ignoring AIPACs Tawdry Civil War, the Biggest Story in Washington?


This post is by Paul Woodward and originally appeared on War in Context.

The story so far:

November 8: the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) files a 260-page motion (large pdf -- don't attempt to download without broadband) in the District of Columbia Superior Court, in which AIPAC is attempting to fend off a $20 million defamation suit from former employee Steven J Rosen who claims he was wrongfully dismissed. AIPAC ditched him and his colleague Keith Weissman in 2005 when the pro-Israel lobby feared investigation by the FBI.

November 15: Grant Smith highlights much of the politically damaging content of the motion in an Antiwar article, AIPAC Bares All to Quash Lawsuit.

November 16: the story is picked up by MJ Rosenberg, The Forward and others.

November 17: the story is gathering steam in the Jewish press, with items in the JTA and Haaretz.

As for the Washington Post, the New York Times and the rest of the US mainstream media, well as of noon Wednesday, its apparently still nap time or, a figurative bloodbath at that obscure and uninfluential lobbying organization really isnt news or, theres no such thing as the Israel lobby and so why should the press pay any attention or, a bunch of spineless editors, worried about embarrassing their friends at AIPAC, are looking over their shoulders waiting to see which of their competitors is going to break loose first and force them to report on this unseemly turn of events.

more...

http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/2010/11/17/dc-press...


So it looks to me as if the only way the truth will be revealed is through slow, incremental pieces in little tucked-away corners of the blogosphere like this:


AIPAC On The Brink: And Not One Word In MSM

By M.J. Rosenberg - November 16, 2010, 9:46AM

AIPAC is in big trouble and the media is ignoring it. If this was, say, the National Rifle Association or NARAL, this story would be on page one.

But it's AIPAC, and few want to mess with it. ( Clay Swisher's does here. ). And here is Nathan Guttman at the Forward.

The story was broken in a Antiwar.com piece but is carried in the court filings by AIPAC and its ex-employee Steve Rosen who was fired by the lobby after being indicted under the Espionage Act (the case never went to trial).

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Beyond the smut, the most shocking revelation in the court documents is when Rosen reveals that immediately upon being told by the FBI that he was in serious trouble, and being warned by AIPAC's counsel to come immediately to his office and talk to no one in advance, he immediately ran to meet with the #2 at the Israeli embassy!

more...

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/11/16/aipac_o... /


As I've indicated before, I'm not holding my breath for any tectonic plate shift. But I will remain vigilant and keep my eyes and ears open.


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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 02:31 PM
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1. GEEEEEEZUS
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mattvermont Donating Member (428 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 02:49 PM
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3. I hope Mr. Rosen
can remain safe. And under no circumstances should he fly, even commercially. Pan Am was brought down to kill only a few people on board.
The MSM will begin the defamation ops shortly.
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CLANG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 08:43 AM
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49. Pan Am was brought down to kill only a few people
Could you provide more info on this? I am very interested.
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green917 Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 09:32 AM
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50. Pan Am Flight 103
I believe (s)he is referring to Pan Am flight 103 which was blown up (allegedly by 2 Libyans) over Lockerbie Scotland just before Christmas in 1988. In the US, the story was sold by the MSM as just another case of terrorism but, in the European press there were widespread and prolific (and, more than likely true) stories that that plane was brought down because there were 5 CIA agents on board coming back from Beirut. The plane was supposed to blow up over the ocean, destroying any evidence but, the bomb detonated too soon. Shortly after going down, several more CIA agents showed up at the crash site and posed as Pan Am employees and it's rumored that they left with a briefcase belonging to one of the agents that was on board. 2 young Scottish boys also found a suitcase with $500,000.00 US in it which was tied to one of the agents who had been on board. There are multiple ideas about what these agents were planning but it's believed that it either had to do with a hostage rescue or transfer of some kind, and anti-terrorism.

Read more about it here (my apologies, I don't really know how credible this website is...first one that popped up in google):
http://www.carpenoctem.tv/cons/pan.html
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CLANG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 12:26 PM
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57. Thanks, green917!
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 02:42 PM
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2. I wouldn't be surprised if he turns up suicided
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 02:54 PM
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5. I'm sure he's one of the safest people in DC at this point.
He knows where a lot of the skeletons have been buried, but there are reasons the Justice Dept. dropped criminal charges against him and Weissman, and they don't all have to do with defects in the charges against him.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 02:49 PM
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4. Robert - This case is about four decades of espionage. The FBI's bugged AIPACs communications for
Edited on Tue Nov-23-10 03:03 PM by leveymg
years, because they're essentially the same lines that lead to and from the Israeli Embassy. I'm shocked that these guys, along with a number of public officials who should know better, such as Congresswoman Harman, were so cavalier in the things they said that were picked up by FISA wiretaps.

Anyway, the back story to this is that Franklin's crime wasn't just that he was passing classified U.S. materials around with Rosen and Weissman, as the MSM portrays it. The real crime was Franklin's role in salting Pentagon files with materials purportedly about Iran's nuclear programs suggested by Naor Gilon, Mossad's Chief of Station in DC at the time (and is now Netanyahu's intelligence advisor), who was "FO3" in the revised indictment. There was an intentional effort to deceive the U.S. about Iran to build up a cassus belli -- an extremely serious form of espionage in my book, as it could have led to the U.S. attacking Iran and another optional war. Bush's book reveals how disappointed he was when the 2007 Iran NIE was released, as there was no "falling forward" into Iran after that. The NIE was produced in large part because this case revealed how Israeli intelligence had been leading us by the nose. Fortunately, this ring got caught. Maybe not, next time.

Glad you're still chasing this story.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 03:29 PM
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14. Absolutely!
I wish that I could recommend your post.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 03:50 PM
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15. Thanks leveymg. I definitely appreciate all your research on this case.
Yes, I do remember Naor Gilon and how he fled the country soon after the indictments were announced. (Or was it before? It was pretty damn fast.) Now I'm trying to figure out who the #2 at the Israeli Embassy was that Rosen ran to, because I don't think that would be Gilon as he was #1. Unfortunately, my computer is having one hell of a time downloading that pdf! Let me know if you know who that might be.

But you're right, we came too damn close to bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran. And what Franklin and Co. attempted was the absolute equivalent of the 2001 Niger forgeries. Funny how those perpetrators didn't spend a day in jail either.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 05:20 PM
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20. I still wonder if Google helped cover up stuff at the time of Franklin's arrest...
Way back in 2005 when it happened, I noticed what appeared to be censorship of Google News search hits of Sibel Edmonds' articles at the time of Franklin's arrest, and then it seemed just coincidental, since she hadn't really been talking much about AIPAC and Israel at that time. The funky Google News alerts message I and others got at the beginning of 2006 I discussed then. Read more here...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

If AIPAC was concerned about an FBI investigation then and now, I still think this should be investigated to see the scope of what they were doing in terms of a coverup.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 02:55 PM
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6. Another dupe -- sorry.
Edited on Tue Nov-23-10 03:01 PM by pacalo
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 02:56 PM
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9. Dupe.
Edited on Tue Nov-23-10 02:58 PM by pacalo
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 02:55 PM
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7. K & R nt
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 02:56 PM
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8. If Rosen wanted to do the right thing, he'd have released it to the media
by now; he seems to be holding back for a large settlement. It's so frustrating watching evidence trickle out for the past 7 years without results. I don't look for Rosen to release his information publicly if he hasn't by now. :grr:

K&R for your work, which I will read.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 04:06 PM
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17. I agree, pacalo!
He's certainly no Daniel Ellsburg, he's way too corrupt. Time will tell if he'll turn out to sing like McCord.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 12:00 PM
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55. What media? nt
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 02:57 PM
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10. Thanks for the update putting this together. Saw a little something
last week..but no follow up. Glad to see M.J. Rosenberg's article and the TPM.
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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 03:06 PM
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11. K&R. nt
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 03:25 PM
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12. Why don't they pay him $20MM to just go away?
If this is all about leveraging information to get a settlement, I'd think locating a source to pay the money would not be a problem. I wish this guy had a better motive, like the public interest, to tell us what he knows, but I'm not hopeful that this will ever happen.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 05:04 PM
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18. I'm sure they're working on that.
Reich-wingers have a history of creating slush funds for nefarious ends!
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 03:28 PM
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13. Enemies of the State.
Definitely recommended! Thank you for providing what DU is at its best, and what makes DU the best!
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 07:08 PM
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27. Thank you, H2O Man!
And thanks for doing the same. DU reaches its true potential when we all work together searching for the truth in pursuit of justice!
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 10:17 PM
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71. I just noticed this thread. I wondered whatever became of
that story. It came out about the same time Judith Miller's tricks hit the news, but then it disappeared. Thanks for following it.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 03:56 PM
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16. kick recommended and shared
holy Macaroni
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 05:10 PM
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19. Mr Paulson
Thank you for this, I was wondering if anything will break loose.

-Hoot
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Poboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 05:27 PM
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21. Recommend.
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 05:33 PM
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22. not holding my breath either but thanks for the info. K&R nt
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 06:05 PM
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23. Is the elephant in the room getting to big to remain unnoticed?
Not for our intrepid media and ever vigilant pocket government.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 06:06 PM
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24. WikiLeaks Big Story, perhaps?
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 07:58 PM
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28. Kick for the Night Crowd...
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 06:18 PM
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25. so where are all the Edmonds-is-a-psycho accusers? the ones
who come on every thread having anything to do with/tangential to her experiences?

they all seemed utterly convinced she's just a four week temp, who's just fishing for attention, basically.

that wasn't the impression I got from my less than extensive reading, but it wasn't Daniel Ellsberg's either, and I'd have thought he might have looked a little deeper into her bona fides before he threw in with her

I was at the same protest as he, btw, in DC the week the Iraq war started, back in March 03. guess I stand with him at this point

thoughts?
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 06:54 PM
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26. K & R
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 08:12 PM
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29. K & R
:dem:
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 09:03 PM
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30. "I will introduce documentary evidence that AIPAC approved of the receipt of classified information"
It appears that Steven J. Rosen has the goods.

That this is now in the Washington Post is noteworthy.



Jeff Stein at the WaPo:


November 19, 2010


.....

During its deposition of Rosen, AIPACs lawyer Thomas L. McCally clearly tried to make his confessions of pornography and philandering the central issues in his dismissal. Rosen shot back that he had "witnessed" AIPAC's executive director Howard Kohr "view... pornographic images on AIPAC computers," as well as "his secretary do it repeatedly, and call people over to see it, including Howard Kohr." He said he "witnessed other members of staff do it," too.

.....

Rosen portrays the pornography issue as a red herring, contending that government attorneys stampeded the organization into firing him by playing its officials a selectively edited portion of a wiretapped conversation that made him look like he knew he was illegally trafficking in classified Pentagon documents.

Within hours, the organization announced it was firing Rosen because such alleged behavior did not comport with standards that AIPAC expects of its employees.
Rosen says his actions were common practice at the organization. He said his next move is to show that AIPAC, Washingtons major pro-Israeli lobbying group by far, regularly traffics in sensitive U.S. government information, especially material related to the Middle East.

I will introduce documentary evidence that AIPAC approved of the receipt of classified information, he said by e-mail.
Most instances of actual receipt are hard to document, because orally received information rarely comes with classified stamps on it nor records alerts that the information is classified.

But Rosen said he would produce statements of AIPAC employees to the FBI, internal documents, deposition statements, public statements and other evidence showing that (the) receipt of classified information by employees other than (himself) ... was condoned for months prior to being condemned in March 2005 after threats from the prosecutors.

AIPAC, he said, will make denials. The jury will have to decide who is telling the truth -- I am.




For the sake of justice and national security, let us hope a jury will indeed have the opportunity to explore this case.







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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 10:53 PM
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35. I've always thought that AIPAC was an intelligence group posing as lobbyists. And still do.
But, having all those people working in government positions, important ones at that, makes me think of an arm of Council on Foreigh Relations or Tri-Lateral or one we don't even know about, yet, but that is under the big umbrella policy making and movement mother group.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 11:01 PM
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36. For fifteen years I've been obsessed with the perception that no country had
Edited on Tue Nov-23-10 11:07 PM by peacetalksforall
ever witnessed so much arrogance and confidence coming from thousands of players of the acronym boys and girls, including media puppets, especially the Fox and CNN ones, from the from the morning jerks to the guy who came to outshine and outperform Limbaugh. Utter arrogance. I kept saying they know something we don't, their is no humility, they know something, and they are confident it will happen. I said they were/are absolutely conviced that it inconsequential that everything that comes out of their mouth is a flipping lie with total disregard for the truth and with disregard of being called on it or paying for it.

I want this to all come out. I want to see a pause before their next display of their poisonous arrogance. An arrogance that doesn't give a xxxx about other people and doesn't fear being revealed for what they do.

I want to know so many things - the piracy and torture of Turkish and Turkish/American men - going backwards.

I want to see the Ledeen Israel/black acronym Italy Us Niger letter forgeries coming out.

And every that is not closed.

I want to know what percent of our nuclear technology was sold. And who arranged it.

And what were those nuclear bombs doing on that errant jet - five years ago?
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molly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 07:22 AM
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42. peacetalksforall
I want to see the same things that you do.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 07:26 AM
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43. Yes, it definitely is.
AIPAC is an intelligence group that lobbies as a front.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 11:52 AM
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53. It took 11 days to make MSM, but it's better than nothing.
You'd think a case involving espionage and porn would be front page news. The tawdry aspects usually are splashed across the top of anything owned by Murdoch. But I guess a WaPo blog will suffice for now. Stein gave a pretty good summary.

Thanks for staying on top of this, seafan!
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 12:50 PM
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59. Hey seafan! Here's an interesting take from Veterans Today, referencing your WaPo link.
GORDON DUFF: AIPAC SPYING, WHY IS THE FBI LOOKING THE OTHER WAY?

November 23, 2010

HAS AIPAC MADE THE FBI THE FBE, FEDERAL BUREAU OF ESPIONAGE?

By Gordon Duff STAFF WRITER/Senior Editor

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Are we reading this correctly? Not only is Rosen claiming that AIPAC, the organization every American politician, every president bows to on a daily basis, spies against the United States, also on a daily basis, but that the FBI seems to be, well, a part of it?

Funny thing here, OK, not really funny, but what we dont see asked is WHAT INFORMATION is being stolen? America learned, long ago with the infamous Jonathan Pollard case, that secrets going to Israel end up in the hands of Americas enemies. Americas most vital Cold War defense information, nuclear technology, air defense systems, classified weapons and even NATO defense plans in case of a Soviet invasion of Western Europe, all went to Russia as part of an arrangement between the Soviets and Israel. Pollard is doing life in prison for this.

Now we find the same thing is going on but the new FBI doesnt arrest Israeli agents like it used to. Why is that?

WHAT WE DO KNOW

We know that a vast spy ring operates in Washington and that Israel is the center of it. We also know that Israel, Turkey, India, Pakistan, China and Russia trade American secrets back and forth like baseball cards. We know that AIPAC is deeply involved in this spying.

more...

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/11/23/gordon-duff-aip... /

I don't agree with all of Duff's opinions (The Kennedy brothers were the "two biggest enemies the Israeli lobby had in Washington"? Really?) but I think he raises some interesting questions.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 09:10 PM
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31. Nothing will come of this.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 09:50 PM
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32. Recommended
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 09:53 PM
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33. knr thanks n/t
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bonzono Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 10:17 PM
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34. No Quayle Hunting for You!
Mr Rosen's life expectancy
suddenly became very very
shortened. My best advice,
don't accept any friendly
invitations to go Quayle
hunting with a
Mr. Cock Cheney.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 11:56 PM
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37. Leo Straus's disciples play a huge role in all the war crap.. Machiavelli perpetual war..>Link>>
http://blog.buzzflash.com/hartmann/10016
"snip....
Arguably, the last two political philosophers who both influenced world events and shared many of the worldviews of today's neocons were the Niccolo Machiavelli (who published "The Prince" in Italy in 1515) and Jrg Lanz von Liebenfels (who inspired a young Adolf Hitler with his magazine "Ostara"). Following in their tradition - relatively obscure men who peddled cynicism and faux patriotism while deeply influencing some of the world's most powerful people - came Leo Strauss, a professor at the University of Chicago through the 1950s and 1960s. A Jewish migr from Germany, Strauss was obsessed with the noble goal of figuring out how to prevent America from falling into the same trap of a decline into fascism that Germany had. Ironically, he himself fell into the trap of fascistic ends-justifies-the-means thinking, and has taken a large segment of the American conservative movement with him.

As Canadian (University of Calgary) political science professor Shadia B. Drury notes in her brilliant critique of Strauss, his work, and his students' influence:

"Strauss's students and their students have occupied important positions in the Reagan and Bush administrations and continue to play a significant role within the Republican party. Prominent figures on the American political scene include Reagan's ambassador to Indonesia, Paul Wolfowitz; Caspar Weinberger's former speechwriter, Seth Cropsey; National Endowment for the Humanities Deputy Chairman, John T. Agresto; National Security Council advisor Carnes Lord; Assistant Secretary of State for International Organization Affairs, Alan Keyes; legal scholar and judge Robert Bork...; Justice Clarence Thomas of the Supreme Court; former Secretary of Education William Bennett; former Education Department Chief of Staff, William Kristol (later former vice-president Dan Quayle's chief of staff and then the chief pundit and policy maker of the Republican party). Journalists have been fully cognizant of this influx of Straussians into Washington and of the power they have within the Republican party. So much so that the New York Times has dubbed Leo Strauss the godfather of the Republican party's 1994 Contract With America."...snip"

I have an article how rummy and chaney stopped a cold war treaty and when nixon diddnt like it they set him up with watergate.. its on my other computer.. i'll add it tomorrow



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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 01:16 AM
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38. kr
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 03:02 AM
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39. The truth will set us free.
Let it rip.


:kick:


k&r
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 04:09 AM
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40. I remember when this story first broke in the media. I think it was
on a Friday. The breaking news was that the FBI had raided AIPAC's offices and had arrested two spies who were employees of AIPAC. It was stunning news. But then, there was virtually a media blackout and the news we did get was published on the internet.

Following the story closely back then, I believed Rosen and Weissberg that what they did was SOP and that it had the approval of Cheney's shadow organization which included people like Michael Ledeen.

As the story unfolded, I do remember a report that Rosen and Weissberg intended to call Cheney and Condi Rice as witnesses among others. This, to me, should have been headline news all over the media. Spies claiming that the VP and SOS had approved of their actions? If ever there was a story that should have been at the top of the news for months, this was it. Yet, after only one mention, and a motion to quash the subpoena by Condi's lawyers, the story disappeared.

I followed it over the next few years as the case slowed down and over and over again the judge refused to dismiss it. Still hopeful that these traitors, Cheney et al, would finally be brought to justice as the trial moved forward, I remember the total disbelief when it finally was dismissed.

I wonder how the FBI feels about what happened. They had been working on this case for years.

I am happy to see it back in the news, but I have no hope that Rosen will reveal anything. He's out for revenge against AIPAC and for money, which is part of the revenge.

It's a strange case, his civil suit. Even if his actions were approved by AIPAC, which I do not doubt, and known by the VP, the SOS and others in the administration, that still shouldn't make what he did legal. 'Just following orders' doesn't cut it in court.

So how could a jury rule on this? IF he proves that what he did was standard procedure, how can a jury rule in his favor when he did was still a crime? To find for him would reward him for his betrayal of this country. Not to rule in his favor would let AIPAC off the hook.

My question is, since he is admitting that he has evidence of treason, can the FBI subpoena that evidence? What legal reason would there be for not doing so? I mean if you hear someone talking about the VP et al being aware of foreign spies in this government and approving of what they were doing, isn't that a National Security threat, and since we use NS for everything else, could they not arrest him, hold him until he hands over the evidence he claims he has?

Don't get me wrong, I know there is no way the Obama DOJ would ever allow AIPAC or the former VP and his lackeys to be prosecuted.

It's a fascinating story, the tentacles airc went all the way to the WH. If the media had covered it, it would have been a ratings bonanza for them. So why didn't they?

As for the 'porn' smears, that is such trivia and such a tranparent attempt to distract from the accusations he is making, you wonder if they think we are all stupid. Who cares if he watched porn? And AIPAC's claim that this is why he was fired is laughable, considering the timing.

Anyhow, I am glad to see it back in the news. The dismissal of that case, the lack of answers about the Niger Documents, the failure of the Plame investigation, and the ending of the DC Madame investigations, all of this was so disappointing but an awakening also to the fact that some people in this country are above the law. And I no longer expect any justice. However, it is possible that they may bring themselves down in the end. All we can do is watch and hope.

Thank you for posting this OP.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 05:38 AM
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41. K&R The M$M is not in a collective slumber.
They are fully complicit. They barely try to hide it now as the entire media is peddling the same official misinformation. And this misinformation extends to many issues beyond national security.
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molly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 07:27 AM
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44. Enthusiast
As Amy Goodman said in an interview with Brian Lamb, "What difference would it be if we had state media?"

The time is long past that we can blame our media problems on laziness. Esp. with the all time high number of journalist's deaths.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 08:01 AM
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45. K&R -- Justice won't be served until we have a shift of power away from the right wing .....
Meanwhile we have two right wing parties now --

one right wing party and one radically right wing party --

The right wing is holding all the power -- and they must because they've given us

50 plus years of political violence -- corruption and crime -- stole elections and

lies and it would be very serious indeed for them to lose control of their power

over government!

Let's keep doing all we can to bring about that shift of power into liberal/progressive

hands!!

Haven't actually read your post -- back later!!

:)
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 08:16 AM
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46. K&R, thanks for posting. n/t
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 08:16 AM
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47. K&R
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Celtic Merlin Donating Member (377 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 08:31 AM
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48. Stay on this, Bob!
The story is too important to allow it to die a typical MSM death - ignored into the grave.

I sincerely hope that Rosen disgorges every bit of info he has because nothing on Earth cleans as well as The Truth. Nothing kicks evil in the head like The Truth.

I look forward to updates. Thank you for bringing this to us.

Celtic Merlin
Carlinist
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Poboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 10:07 AM
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51. kick
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 10:50 AM
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52. The Washington Post could scoop another Watergate and they may sell more papers?
you nver know?
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disndat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 12:13 PM
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56. Forget it!!
The Washington Post run by Katherine Graham's heirs are as rightwing and protective of Israel as William Kristol, et al. Katharine Graham was after Nixon's presidency because Nixon was viewed by her as such an anti-Semite.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 09:22 PM
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68. well another newspaper should boost their sales then?
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 11:55 AM
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54. UPDATE: IRS Asked to Revoke AIPAC's Tax Exemption
IRS Asked to Revoke AIPAC's Tax Exemption

WASHINGTON, Nov. 22, 2010 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Today the Internal Revenue Service received a 1,389 page filing demanding that the American Israel Public Affairs Committee's (AIPAC's) tax exempt status be retroactively revoked. The filing, submitted by the IRmep Center for Policy and Law Enforcement, spans nearly 60 years, from the moment AIPAC's founder left the employment of the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs to the present.

Two core charges are:

1. False Charitable Purpose. AIPAC has been investigated several times by the FBI and is currently in a civil suit over the ongoing acquisition and movement of U.S. government classified information. The filing argues that such activities reveal AIPAC does not function as a bona fide "social welfare" organization.
2. Fraudulent Application for Tax Exempt Status. AIPAC's original application for tax exempt status contains fraudulent representations and omissions. It fails to mention that AIPAC's parent organization, the American Zionist Council (AZC) was shut down by a U.S. Department of Justice Foreign Agents Registration Act order in 1962. AIPAC incorporated six weeks later and applied for tax exempt status, but failed to reveal that the majority of its startup funding came from Israel, funneled through the AZC.


Members of the public, state charity watchdogs and the law enforcement community may download and review the complaint summary at: http://www.IRmep.org/IRSAIPAC.pdf . For a DVD of the full IRS complaint and appendix, send an email and official surface mail address to info@irmep.org .

IRmep director Grant F. Smith and callers grilled IRS Commissioner Douglas Shulman on National Public Radio January 1, 2010 over lax IRS enforcement toward some Israel-related nonprofits committing illegal acts overseas and violating U.S. tax laws. Shulman assured America that, "If a charity is breaking the tax law, is engaged in activities that they are not supposed to be engaged in, we certainly will go after them. Every year we pull 501(c)(3) charity status from a number of charities. We've got thousands of audits going on regarding charities, and so we don't hesitate to administer the tax laws and make sure that people are following the rules."

more...

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/irs-asked-to-re...
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 02:53 PM
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61. Wow.....
this just gets better and better. The IRS is after AIPAC! I'm doing a little dance now. Thank you so much for posting this.

I was all set for a miserable Thanksgiving, but now I'm dancing!!! 'Forecasters' have said that 'TPTB's secrets will be revealed.'

I choose to believe that is so.

So AIPAC and Moussad are pretty much brothers?

I'll never forget reading a very long article on AIPAC back in 2005....I couldn't get to sleep it freaked me out so much.

Again Thank you!!!!
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 03:47 PM
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62. You're welcome, femrap! Looks like we might know more on December 2.
11/23/2010 9:58:00 AM
On classified docs, AIPAC officials admit lack of policy

by Ron Kampeas

JTA News and Features

Officials at the American Israel Public Affairs Committee have acknowledged in depositions that the organization only recently adopted a stated policy forbidding the receipt of classified information. The depositions also produced claims regarding the viewing of pornographic materials on office computers.

snip

Depositions in the filing are heavily redacted, with AIPAC excerpting only those portions that would seemingly support its motion to dismiss.

Rosen, who is suing AIPAC for $20 million, said last week that his lawyers would file a counter motion by Dec. 2 with fuller excerpts and more material.

http://washingtonjewishweek.com/main.asp?SectionID=4&Su...



I'm not holding my breath, but I am keeping my fingers crossed!
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felix_numinous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 12:41 PM
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58. K&R
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SimonBolivar Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 02:38 PM
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60. Where's the beef?
If Rosen is claiming to possess documents that prove he or AIPAC was spying, why hasn't the FBI seized those documents? If Rosen is telling the truth, why has nobody been arrested?
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Poboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 05:28 PM
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63. .
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Steve Johnson Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 07:42 PM
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64. AIPAC have secured the USA for invasion
Edited on Wed Nov-24-10 07:52 PM by Steve Johnson
The complete takeover and invasion of the United States has been confirmed by the article about Steve Rosen suing AIPAC for his timely removal.

When the Security Agencies themselves overlook serious breaches of National security such as described above, and has apparently done so for years, one must wonder how deeply infiltrated such agents of deception now are amidst our Security agencies and indeed in influential positions to oversee, and overturn findings, investigations and evidence. One must wonder if this was just one of the many intended roles of DHS. (Apart from labelling patriots as domestic dissidents.)

How many John ONeills are there in the CIA or FBI that have been pressured to give up or thwarted in their efforts to secure Americas intelligence gathering operations? One must seriously wonder given the range and scope of the problem we are all now faced with.

Given the very nature of israel itself and its thirst for dropping bombs on non-israelis, attacking aid boats, killing Americans with impunity, peppering civilian areas with white phosphorus etc.., I would be very worried for myself and my family had I not already escaped from America some years ago.

Even with the revelations still being considered, dont ever think for a moment we will hear the FULL truth. Although burnt and thrown under a bus by his own kind; Steve Rosen is and always has been a staunch supporter and vocal ambassador of israel- whether right or wrong. AIPAC are one such group that you can be assured they have already formulated a damage minimalisation program and are no doubt already very well aware what Rosen is going to say/show/reveal. What we should concern ourselves with is what he ISNT going to show us.

We are dealing with an organisation that has virtually unlimited resources at its disposal and years of experience being caught and covering up its own tracks. When some chess players think 5 to 10 moves ahead. AIPAC think on the lines of 20 to 30 moves ahead.

With such a background history of well orchestrated sabotage, infiltration and cover up methodologies behind them, dont be at all surprised to learn that the AIPAC shakeup has been something THEY have been planning themselves. Or at least preparing the books for. Even Steve Rosen with his 20 million lawsuit could well be a part of the scripted play.

Possibly as a honeypot move to weed out those with a moral conscience or those who can no longer be bought with US bribe money to be removed from the organisation.

Those in the past that have been such a fly in the AIPAC ointment have long since been suicided and absolutely their stories would NEVER appear in any media, mainstream, alternate, independent or otherwise. Such is the true agenda of the AIPAC beast.

This aint no 800 pound Gorilla, this is a feral King Kong high on meth with a bloodlust for power and an allegiance to nobody except its own specie.
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Hotler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 08:00 PM
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65. Wow!
and welcome to DU
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Steve Johnson Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 08:10 PM
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66. =0)
Thanks Hotler, I appreciate the kind welcoming =0)
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 08:27 PM
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67. K&R go tell it on Masada
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Steve Johnson Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 09:45 PM
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69. A Closer look at the AIPAC crimes
The Basis for AIPACs Tax Exemption is Fraudulent And is now under I.R.S. investigation:

This headline almost brought a tear of joy to my eyes. Almost.

Such sweet sounding words that fill my heart with hope, and certainly not the soft mushy malleable phantom hope that pollichickens promise and then somehow forget they ever promised. The real stuff. However like the promised kind, this hope is far too shallow to last longer than a few hours.

As AIPAC have long been recognised by those with investigative research background as a well equipped and well financed intelligence gathering organisation directly operating from Tel Aviv, rather than be the supposed charitable lobby group as they like to pretend. Steve Rosens lawsuit has now actually opened a veritable can of worms and given the issue a fresh breath of life. As reported in the article from: prnewswire.com



Today (22nd Nov.) the Internal Revenue Service received a 1,389 page filing demanding that the American Israel Public Affairs Committees (AIPACs) tax exempt status be retroactively revoked.

The filing, submitted by the IRmep Center for Policy and Law Enforcement, spans nearly 60 years, from the moment AIPACs founder left the employment of the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs to the present.

Two core charges are:

1. False Charitable Purpose. AIPAC has been investigated several times by the FBI and is currently in a civil suit over the ongoing acquisition and movement of U.S. government classified information. The filing argues that such activities reveal AIPAC does not function as a bona fide social welfare organization.
2. Fraudulent Application for Tax Exempt Status. AIPACs original application for tax exempt status contains fraudulent representations and omissions. It fails to mention that AIPACs parent organization, the American Zionist Council (AZC) was shut down by a U.S. Department of Justice Foreign Agents Registration Act order in 1962. AIPAC incorporated six weeks later and applied for tax exempt status, but failed to reveal that the majority of its startup funding came from Israel, funneled through the AZC.
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However much this SOUNDS like good news for freedom loving peoples, and a breakthrough for US national security and justice, PLEASE DO consider between the lines in this story.

Although this sounds incredible in exposure terms. As I am somewhat a realistic based cynic of what's left of the now systematically undermined US law institutions and their processes, I can only assume rather than full exposure this is merely a loose dangling thread from the sweater.


As one person has Observed:

If Rosen is claiming to possess documents that prove he or AIPAC was spying, why hasnt the FBI seized those documents? If Rosen is telling the truth, why has nobody been arrested?

As Gordon Duff correctly points out on his article from Veterans Today:
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/11/23/gordon-duff-aip... /

They haven't acted even since the allegations first surfaced in 2005 primarily because the FBI has known about this spying for years and decided to DO NOTHING. Head in the sand attitude and at worst they have completely allowed the spying to not only continue but to gather momentum.

Those who CAN prosecute AIPAC are either paid not to, or are directed from very few persons in overseeing positions within these agencies who have a synchronous agenda with AIPAC Ie: The increasing power of US politics from israel.

The tentacles of the octopus while not immediately obvious have indeed stretched into all facets of American political existence much to the disadvantage of The American people and the American political system. If this has never been so obvious before as it is today, it certainly should be by now.
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laylah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 09:52 PM
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70. One can only hope!
Now, if he would consider doing it for the common good as opposed to the bucks he may acquire, that would even be better!

Jenn
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Lithos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 10:31 PM
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72. Locking
Much of the commentary is speculative with many references to sources well known for their anti-semitic tendencies. Many responses inside this thread invoke old anti-semitic memes including cabalistic control (Elders of Protocols) and Dual Loyalty.


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