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whosinpower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 06:23 PM
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Zahar: Jews will soon be expelled from Palestine
http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=194259

snip - Hamas leader says Jews were kicked out by France, Britain, Belgium, Russia and Germany because they betrayed, stole and corrupted these countries; adds, "we will soon pray at Aqsa Mosque."

snip - Lets join ranks and speak in one voice, Zahar said in his appeal to Fatah. Together, with blood, we could liberate our lands and holy sites. You have tasted the bitterness of arbitrary negotiations. He said that Hamas was making big efforts to ensure the success of reconciliation talks with Fatah.

snip - In response, Abbass Fatah faction accused Shallah of serving the agenda of Iran. We urge Shallah to adopt a constructive approach and not a destructive one, said Fatah spokesman Ahmed Assaf. Many Arabs and foreigners have tried to hijack the Palestinians independent decision-making process, but Fatah has preserved all Palestinian achievements despite internal and external conspiracies.


Right on cue Hamas.....do your very best to undercut every single effort to peace. But you do a grave disservice to those you are supposed to serve. Abbas must be getting closer than we all thought. Who knew that an independant bid at the UN would garner such vile comments from Hamas regarding the jews? It is abhorrent.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 06:33 PM
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1. Straight-up Nazi filth from this Hamasbag.
Edited on Sat Nov-06-10 06:33 PM by Jim Sagle
:puke:
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 07:28 PM
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3. If it wasn't for the Occupation, it's very likely there wouldn't BE a Hamas.
Edited on Sat Nov-06-10 08:21 PM by Ken Burch
The right-wing hardliners in the Israeli government and the IDF that YOU cheerlead for made people like that possible.

He's an asshole, but people like him can't be stopped by keeping the Occupation in place. And you know it.

Besides, you've said equally loathesome things about Palestinians.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 08:01 PM
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8. Cite please.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 08:05 PM
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9. There's no specific cite to be had. IT's just the reality of people living under Occupation
Edited on Sat Nov-06-10 08:22 PM by Ken Burch
The longer it goes on, the worse the leaders get. This is why no Occupation, anywhere, should go on indefinitely.

And there's no way that keeping the Occupation going will STOP people in Palestine saying things like that. They'd say it about ANYBODY who was treating them the way the IDF and the settlers(a group that really shouldn't be considered Israelis, since being Israeli is about having a homeland for yourself, not taking somebody ELSE's homeland)have treated them.

The best way to put people like Zahar out of business is to end the Occupation and for people who identify as "pro-Israel" to make their voices heard against the persecution of the Palestinian people. It isn't possible to stop them by building more settlements and having the IDF destroy more Palestinian homes and destroy the olive trees of innocent farmers.

OH, and if you meant "Cites" about your comments regarding Palestinians: I'll be awhile sorting them out. There are a lot of them.
And you're gleeful celebrations everytime the IDF kills Palestinians are a good example. Not all the people the IDF kills have it coming, you know.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 09:52 PM
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15. I meant a cite where I 'said equally loathesome things about Palestinians.'
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 11:02 PM
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16. Your "I weep for the olive trees" remark, combined with the
Edited on Sat Nov-06-10 11:03 PM by Ken Burch
"beer" smilie to celebrate the completely unjustified destruction of the livlihood of innocent Palestinian olive farmers, leaving them with no hope for a life at all, is a start. You were saying that those people weren't human beings and that their lives don't matter.

There are others and I'll find them...if they haven't been mercifully deleted.

And your sickening "Israel RAWWKKKSSS" cheer that you post everytime the IDF murders somebody is another. It's disgusting to celebrate anyone's death.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 01:05 AM
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17. zzzzzzzz..
:boring:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 01:07 AM
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 01:41 AM
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20. Because I don't. But you seem to have a creepy obsession with me and my posts.
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-10 12:27 PM
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48. They don't delete those anymore.
As nearly as I can tell, they are no longer considered rule violations. :shrug:
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alanquatermass Donating Member (318 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 08:52 PM
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12. Fuckin A' RIGHT!
The "Israelis" have brought terror and bloodshed upon THEMSELVES by their continuous and wholly illegal occupation of Palestinian land. If what they are doing over there isn't Apartheid, I don't know what is.

Finally, if they would simply lay down there arms and get out of there -- immediately -- they would have peace tomorrow.
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alanquatermass Donating Member (318 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 08:53 PM
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13. LASTING peace.
n/t
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 01:40 AM
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alanquatermass Donating Member (318 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 05:04 AM
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22. No, but I find your mistake flattering...
Edited on Sun Nov-07-10 05:07 AM by alanquatermass
And so, I suspect, would anyone with even a soupcon of compassion for the victims of the Occupation.
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alanquatermass Donating Member (318 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 05:06 AM
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23. And no, "victims" does not mean...
..."Israelis".
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 12:13 PM
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26. But you're working on that.
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alanquatermass Donating Member (318 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 05:13 PM
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34. Hardly! I want nothing more (and nothing less) than a cessation of ALL hostilities...
-- in that part of the world. But as the white Imperialist aggressor, Israel needs to step up and do the Right Thing. That means accepting the Arab Peace Initiative at face value. It is a good agreement. A FAIR agreement. (Do you think former President Jimmy Carter would be endorsing it if it wasn't?!)

It is an agreement that, at long and dear last, promises to bring overdue social justice to an embattled region.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 05:40 PM
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35. No, Israel is not "the white Imperialist aggressor".
Only those with historical amnesia believe that.
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alanquatermass Donating Member (318 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 05:46 PM
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37. Dude, Elvis Costello, Santana and the fucking Pixies have all boycotted Israel this year!!!
Are you saying three of the most respected artists of our day are ALL suffering from "historical amnesia"???
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 07:01 PM
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38. FUCK yeah...dude.
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alanquatermass Donating Member (318 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 08:04 PM
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40. You cannot be serious.
You're saying that all three of these AWARD-WINNING (look it up!) artists just got it into their heads one day to arbitrarily boycott Israel? Is that your little "theory"?

O-kayyy. And what about Jimmy Carter? I suppose next you'll be insisting that HE is suffering from "historical amnesia" too?
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alanquatermass Donating Member (318 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 08:06 PM
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41. "Historical Amnesia." Hmm. Lot of that goin' around.
n/t
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-10 12:31 PM
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49. Elvis Costello, Santana and the Pixies RAAAAAAAAWK!
:toast:
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alanquatermass Donating Member (318 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-10 05:25 PM
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50. Crunchy: THANK YOU!!!
nt
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-10 05:59 PM
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51. They RAAAAAAAAWK as musicians; as moral arbiters, not so much.
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-10 06:10 PM
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52. Elvis Costello and the Pixies definately do!
Santana's kinda boring, though.

But kudos to all of them for taking a stand against the moral corruptness of the occupation...
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 02:26 PM
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55. They weren't taking a stand "against the moral corruptness of the occupation"
If you read any of the statements made by those artists you would know that.
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 07:00 PM
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56. Something I've noticed about many people opposed to boycotting Israel...
Many of the ones that I see exerting so much time and energy attacking people who choose to boycott Israel for what it's doing to the Palestinians either strongly support the Israeli blockade of Gaza, which is a more severe form of boycott, or say little to nothing in opposition to it. I find that if the argument against boycotting Israel contains things about how innocent Israelis will be affected, it's an incredibly hypocritical argument...
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 09:50 PM
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57. Yes, I've noticed that.
I don't know where it comes from other than maybe some sense of exceptionalism of the same sort that afflict the United States.

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sabbat hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-10 06:27 PM
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53. that would mean
giving the old city to the Palestinians for political rule. Why would Palestine have any more right to rule over the old city than Israel?
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 09:10 AM
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24. Get out of where?
Do you mean the OTs or all of Israel?

And do you actually cheer on the vile comments about how the Jews have corrupted every country where they have lived???
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 04:35 PM
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 04:44 PM
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29. A deflection? It was in the Hamas quote in the OP.
And if you want to make a legitimate criticism of Israel - or anywhere- why don't you use somewhat more precise wording? E.g. exactly where they should get out of (I agree that they should get out of the OTs).

Your post to me is most certainly a deflection, if it comes to that.
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 07:59 PM
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39. It's pretty clear they're talking about the occupied territory...
And the poster yr replying to is cheering Ken Burch's post, not the OP...
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alanquatermass Donating Member (318 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 08:11 PM
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42. Thank you Violet!
n/t
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 08:22 PM
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43. No worries....
Being familiar with LB, I'm positive that was an honest mistake on her part. I've made similar mistakes before where I've thought someone was replying to something that they weren't...

Welcome to DU, btw :)
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alanquatermass Donating Member (318 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 08:26 PM
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44. Happy to be here!!!
nt
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-10 03:13 AM
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46. Apologies; I realize now that you were replying to post 3, not the OP
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alanquatermass Donating Member (318 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-10 03:42 AM
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47. No worries, LB! Cheers!
nt
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 09:56 AM
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25. Why do you put Israelis in paranthesis?
That seems sort of odd.
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alanquatermass Donating Member (318 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 04:32 PM
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27. Quotation marks, you mean. And I suppose I do it...
-- occasionally -- because I just can't get my head around the idea of conferring semantic legitimacy on the occupiers of STOLEN LAND.
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 05:44 PM
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36. Sorry - that's what I meant!
I see - okay. But by using the quotes, you seem to be denying that there is even really such a thing as Israelis.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 04:53 PM
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32. Oh yeah, that's it.
The Israelis were never attacked before they occupied the WB.

:eyes:
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 04:52 PM
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31. Oh yeah, that's it.
The Israelis were never attacked before they occupied the WB.

:eyes:
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-10 01:18 AM
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45. Actually, Ken's right. HAMAS came into being as a resistance movement...
If there'd been no occupation to resist, they wouldn't exist...
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 08:09 PM
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xor Donating Member (180 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 06:34 PM
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2. That's not a very nice thing to say...
Can't we all just play nice and fly kites together? Kites are awesome. We need to give a kite to every person of the world. Then we would have instant world peace, because everyone would be too busy flying kites and wouldn't have time to be mean to each other.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 07:29 PM
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4. Nobody is actually holding the views you're mocking in that post.
But it's equally true that what this guy said doesn't justify the Occupation. The Occupation CAUSED people like that to get a hearing.
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 07:40 PM
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5. Oh no no that's just not true
Edited on Sat Nov-06-10 07:57 PM by azurnoir
Hamas is historically linked to the Nazi's Dershowitz says so :silly:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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xor Donating Member (180 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 07:40 PM
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6. Wait, what? Heh, you read too much into my post...
I really was suggesting that kites are fun.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 07:57 PM
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7. Uh...ok...
n/t.
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xor Donating Member (180 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 08:48 PM
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11. Not a fan of kites?
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 08:54 PM
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14. Yeah, I like them....
Just not sure how they apply to this.

Besides, in the I/P situation, they'd likely be shot down.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 04:45 PM
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30. What have kites to do with the topic?
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 03:21 AM
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21. What a vile man,
'Right on cue Hamas.....do your very best to undercut every single effort to peace. But you do a grave disservice to those you are supposed to serve. Abbas must be getting closer than we all thought. Who knew that an independant bid at the UN would garner such vile comments from Hamas regarding the jews? It is abhorrent.'

Too true.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 04:55 PM
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33. Keep dreaming asshole.
Because it's never going to happen.

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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 01:01 PM
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54. Ethnic cleansing is wrong. N.T.
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