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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 11:04 PM
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Schumer: Obama's 'counter-productive' Israel policy 'has to stop'
Schumer: Obama's 'counter-productive' Israel policy 'has to stop'

New York Senator Chuck Schumer harshly criticized the Obama Administration's attempts to exert pressure on Israel today, making him the highest-ranking Democrat to object to Obama's policies in such blunt terms.

Schumer, along with a majority of members of the House and Senate, signed on to letters politely suggesting the U.S. keep its disagreements with Israel private, a tacit objection to the administration's very public rebuke of the Jewish State over construction in Jerusalem last month.

But Schumer dramatically sharpened his tone on the politically conservative Jewish Nachum Segal Show today, calling the White House stance to date "counter-productive" and describing his own threat to "blast" the Administration had the State Department not backed down from its "terrible" tough talk toward Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

Schumer, a hawkish ally of Israel since his days as a Brooklyn Congressman, described "a battle going on inside the administration" over Middle East policy.

"This has to stop," he said of the administration's policy of publicly pressuring Israel to end construction in Jerusalem.

"I told the President, I told Rahm Emanuel and others in the administration that I thought the policy they took to try to bring about negotiations is counter-productive, because when you give the Palestinians hope that the United States will do its negotiating for them, they are not going to sit down and talk," Schumer told Segal. "Palestinians don’t really believe in a state of Israel. They, unlike a majority of Israelis, who have come to the conclusion that they can live with a two-state solution to be determined by the parties, the majority of Palestinians are still very reluctant, and they need to be pushed to get there.

"If the U.S. says certain things and takes certain stands the Palestinians say, 'Why should we negotiate?'" Schumer said.

Schumer described the recent confrontation over construction in Jerusalem as a "kerfuffle."

"Israel apologized and when Biden left, and Biden is the best friend of Israel in the administration everything was fine," Schumer said. "But then what happened is the next day Hillary Clinton called up Netanyahu and talked very tough to him, and worse they made it public through this spokesperson, a guy named Crowley. And Crowley said something I have never heard before, which is, the relationship of Israel and the United States depends on the pace of the negotiations."

Schumer was referring to State Department spokesman PJ Crowley's description of Clinton's conversation with Netanyahu, in which he said that Clinton "made clear that the Israeli government needed to demonstrate not just through words but through specific actions that they are committed to this relationship and to the peace process."

"That is terrible," Schumer said today. "That is the dagger because the relationship is much deeper than the disagreements on negotiations, and most Americans—Democrat, Republican, Jew, non-Jew--would feel that. So I called up Rahm Emanuel and I called up the White House and I said, 'If you don’t retract that statement you are going to hear me publicly blast you on this,'" Schumer said.

Schumer said the White House had backed off that statement, but that now "many of us are pushing back, some of the Jewish members will be meeting with the President next week or the week after, and we are saying that this has to stop."

"You have to show Israel that it’s not going to be forced to do things it doesn’t want to do and can’t do. At the same time you have to show the Palestinians that they are not going to get their way by just sitting back and not giving in, and not recognizing that there is a state of Israel," Schumer said. "And right now there is a battle going on inside the administration, one side agrees with us, one side doesn’t, and we’re pushing hard to make sure the right side wins and if not we’ll have to take it to the next step."

The full transcript of Segal's interview with Schumer is after the jump.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0410/Schumer_Obamas_Counterproductive_Israel_policy_has_to_stop.html


People criticizing Obama for not pushing Israel harder need to come to grips with the reality of the domestic crap he has to take about it. As usual, he gets bashed from both sides.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 11:09 PM
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 05:00 AM
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13. Dual citizenship accusations?
Do you really want to go there?
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 11:11 PM
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2. Our country has been soft on Israel for too long
Sometimes a real friend tells you when you're doing wrong.
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 11:18 PM
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3. Schumer the whore, always ready.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 11:20 PM
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4. Schumer is dead wrong on this one
Obama has to stand up to Netanyahu. Netanyahu is already starting to fold around the edges.

I doubt if anyone wants Israel to fail. That's not the point. The point is containing the hard liners like Netanyahu so that a reduction in violence can be achieved and maybe, just maybe, it will lay the groundwork for peace when both sides are exhausted by slaughter and are willing to try something else for a change.

Rubberstamping the hardliners didn't work for the last 8 years and it's not going to work now.

Schumer needs to decide which country he's representing.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 11:22 PM
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5. Ya know something
I don't think I trust Schumer as the best source for figuring out what Palestinians think or how they'll react to something.

And I find it a little disturbing that it's considered controversial for a President to gently encourage peace negotiations. Maybe Israel isn't going to get serious about peace until the U.S. stops giving them unconditional support for any aggressive policy they pursue.
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hulka38 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 11:29 PM
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6. Sure Chuck. It's so harmful and dangerous to Israel
that America opposes Israel's blatant and hostile land grabs.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 11:44 PM
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7. Schumer also thought Bush's Hank Paulson appointment was
manna from heaven - the best guy and gift to government ever.

"Simply no equal to Hank!" Whooopeeee!


Schumer gets some things wrong, dead wrong, and this is another of them, IMHO.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 11:56 PM
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8. Schumer RRROOOOOOLLLZZZZZZ, Crowley DDDDRRROOOOOOLLLZZZZZZ!!!!!!.
Edited on Thu Apr-22-10 11:56 PM by Jim Sagle
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 12:20 AM
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10. Sure pal.
Whatever.

Your heroes are sick fucks.
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Aramchek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 12:04 AM
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9. If Reid loses his election, we need Durbin to be Majority Leader. Schumer is compromised.
Israel needs to quit trying to manipulate our Country.
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 05:02 AM
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14. Isn't the US trying to manipulate Israel?
The US is telling Israel to change its policies, not the other way around.
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 12:38 AM
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11. It is odd that a US Senator would throw a President from his
Edited on Fri Apr-23-10 12:38 AM by azurnoir
own party under the bus in favor of a foreign country, also telling is his statement that Israel should not be forced to do what it doesn't want to, but that the Palestinians should be forced

Schumer is up for re-election this year
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cqo_000 Donating Member (118 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 02:29 AM
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12. Rashid Khalidi: Under Obama "there has been no real change"
IMEU: What is your reading of the Obama administration's handling of the conflict over the past year and a half or so?

...

RK: There still exists this accepted conventional wisdom in D.C. which says that you cannot ask the Israelis to change the status quo, in fact the wisdom states that only that which the Israeli government of the day dictates is doable, given its domestic political constraints, is within the realm of possibility. This means that the ramshackle nature of this or that governing coalition in Israel effectively dictates American policy towards Israel and the Palestinians.

...

If the administration REALLY wanted to oppose settlement building in Jerusalem and other occupied territories, for example, all it would take would be for the Treasury Department to enforce US law and remove the 501c3 designation from the so-called “charities” which are funding this illegal activity at the expense of the taxpayer and the US national interest (not to speak of the Palestinian people). That would not require a negotiation with Mr. Netanyahu, or so much as a by-your-leave from Congress. That would just be the executive branch enforcing US law, which is its job.

http://mondoweiss.net/2010/04/rashid-khalidi-under-obama-there-has-been-no-real-change-in-the-fatally-flawed-policies-of-the-u-s-in-the-region.html
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ProgressiveMuslim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 07:15 AM
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15. "Has Chuck Schumer EVER Criticized Israel or its Leadership in the Way He Just Unloaded on Obama? "
STEVE CLEMONS:

Senator Chuck Schumer may have just lost any shot at succeeding Harry Reid as Senate Majority Leader if the Nevada Senator stumbles in the upcoming tough 2010 challenge he is facing.

Politico's Ben Smith shares word of a very harsh critique that Schumer publicly shared with a conservative Jewish show today of Obama's Middle East policy.

Schumer's screed gets to the edge of sounding as if he is more a Senator working in the Knesset than working in the United States Senate.

This is the 2nd time I know of that Schumer has publicly crossed the line when it came to zealously blaming his own government and colleagues in delicate matters of US-Israel-Palestine policy.

During the third of three major efforts of the George W. Bush administration to get the recess appointed US Ambassador to the United Nations John Bolton confirmed in the US Senate, Senator Schumer launched a passionate personal campaign to help Bolton succeed.

Schumer called many Democratic Senate colleagues and bluntly said, "A vote against John Bolton is a vote against Israel."

Senator Christopher Dodd finally challenged Schumer's advocacy for Bolton and this statement in a meeting of the weekly Democratic Senate Caucus at the time -- and put an end to Schumer's campaign.

What Schumer was distorting was that every administration, Republican and Democrat, had in the past been a good friend of Israel. Bolton represented the face of Jesse Helms-inspired pugnacious American nationalism largely disdainful of international institutions and engagement, and it was well within the latitude of the United States Senate to reject Bolton, or in this case filibuster him, on numerous grounds without having the Israel card pulled.

Schumer has an Israel blind spot.


read on:
http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/2010/04/has_chuck_schum/
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 08:08 AM
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16. OMG I hadn't heard of him pushing for insane John Bolton based on Israel. That is f#$king crazy!
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 09:22 AM
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17. Anyone interested in leaving a comment for Senator Schumer,
Edited on Fri Apr-23-10 09:29 AM by Jefferson23
call him here, Phone: 202-224-6542.


And you may want to call the White House and suggest that someone counter Schumer's bullshit. Switchboard: 202-456-1414

On edit to add NY # Phone: 212-486-4430
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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 05:32 AM
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18. Obama's insistance on maintaining a US friendship with Israel is certainly counterproductive...
I wish he would stop it, but I don't see any chance of that happening.
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shira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 06:35 AM
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19. Yeah, better to be more friendly with Hamas, the PLO, Iran...
In fact, ditching liberal democracies in favor of regimes which deny basic rights to their citizens is a wonderful idea!

:eyes:
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Vegasaurus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 08:33 AM
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20. Strange isn't it?
Sometimes these "progressives" have really regressive ideas.
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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 03:16 PM
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23. I'm sorry, who do you think you are talking to?
This isn't a one-off instance - lying about what the people you are talking to believe is a regular habit of yours. I wish you would outgrow it.
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 07:10 PM
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25. I don't feel so special anymore knowing I'm not the only poster she lies about...
fwiw, I got the impression from posts I've read that Shira is quite elderly and would be unable to grow out of anything. Anyway, I suspect the behaviour is due to a mixture of zealoted support of a cause along with being quite lacking in basic skills when it comes to arguing about an issue...
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 02:43 AM
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21. Schumer Says He's On Mission From God (To Help Israel) - M.J. Rosenberg
<snip>

"On Friday, I posted about Chuck Schumer's warnings to the President not to dare challenge Binyamin Netanyahu's settlement policy.

Pretty ugly stuff and, happily, the White House slapped him down.

In fact, Schumer is no great Zionist. For him, it's just politics.

At least, I always thought so.

But now this from New York magazine. Here is Schumer explaining that he defends Israel because Hashem (Orthodox for God) tells him to.

You know, my name .... comes from the word shomer, guardian, watcher. My ancestors were guardians of the ghetto wall in Chortkov. And I believe Hashem actually gave me that name. One of my roles, very important in the United States senate, is to be a shomer -- to be a or the shomer Yisrael. And I will continue to be that with every bone in my body ...


Rick Santorum could not sound nuttier."

more
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 03:06 AM
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22. are we talking David or the Blues Brothers here?
Mr Schumer has gone off the deep end, on a mission from G-d? wow
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 04:49 PM
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24. Gibbs: Not 'A Stretch' To Say WH Disagrees With Schumer On Israel Negotiations
White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said today he doesn't "think it's a stretch to say we don't agree with Senator Schumer," in response to Schumer's remark that the White House policy on pursuing negotiations between Israelis and Palestinians is "counter-productive."

http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/04/gibbs-not-a-stretch-to-say-wh-disagrees-with-schumer-on-israel-negotiations.php
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