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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 05:04 AM
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Israel admits using White phosphurous in Gaza
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8490646.stm
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Israel has revealed it has disciplined two top army officers for using white phosphorus shells during an attack on a UN compound in Gaza last year.

The admission is contained in the Israeli response to the Goldstone report, which concluded both Israel and Hamas had committed war crimes.

Details of any punishment given to the pair have not yet been made clear.

Until now the Israeli army has denied breaking the rules of engagement over the use of white phosphorus.
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So who purchased White phosphorus - not the government?
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WAR CRIMES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 05:27 AM
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1. Oh fer pity's sake
Those generals wouldn't have had White Phosphorous at their disposal to use if Israel didn't want it used. If Israel doesn't want it used how about say... not including it in the weapons your generals have access to?
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 05:31 AM
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2. Precisely n/t
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 05:33 AM
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3. Because it's fine to use in situation A and not fine to use in situation B
Though for the most part DU seems to have gotten our head stuck in the idea that "using white phosphorous is a war crime", which just isn't true.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 05:40 AM
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4. The use of depleted uranium is against the Geneva conventions n/t
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 05:45 AM
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6. That is untrue, and a separate question
Depleted Uranium is used in anti-armor rounds, and its use is not illegal.
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 05:43 AM
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5. And it's been very clear for a long time that the IDF got situation A and B confused...
It's the way it's used that can and does make it a war crime. It's interesting to note that the IDF initially lied and denied it was using WP in Gaza, and then changed the story and admitted they were using it, but only using it for legal purposes, which of course was another complete lie...
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 05:46 AM
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7. I'm with you there
And I'm certainly not an IDF fan.
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17breezes Donating Member (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 12:24 PM
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10. Don't confuse them with facts. n/t
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Yuugal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 07:52 AM
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8. Error: You can't recommend threads from this forum
Wow. Guess that explains why the thread was moved......
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Tripmann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 09:06 AM
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9. There were video clips of WP being used during OCL by the IDF
I even remember the predictable counterclaims that it was hamas using iranian WP. All along it was denied by israel. All along we have known it to be true. Its this blatant lying that makes the IDF and Israeli version of other events during OCL require a large pinch of salt to swallow.
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 02:22 PM
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12. No IDF didn't deny using WP
Edited on Mon Feb-01-10 02:23 PM by azurnoir
they denied improper use of WP and claimed it was used as a smokescreen rather than a weapon

"(The investigation) is dealing with the use of ammunition containing elements of phosphorous, including, among others, the 155mm smoke shells which were referred to in the HRW report. This type of ammunition disperses in the atmosphere and creates an effective smoke screen. It is used by many Western armies.

"It is already possible to conclude that the IDF's use of smoke shells was in accordance with international law. These shells were used for specific operational needs only and in accord with international humanitarian law. The claim that smoke shells were used indiscriminately, or to threaten the civilian population, is baseless," the IDF said.

It said "that weapons intended for screening are not classed as incendiary weapons."


http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/03/25/israel.wh...

so there is still a possible out
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Tripmann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 06:36 PM
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13. Just to clarify....
The IDF denied the improper use of WP. They disputed the intent, not that they used it. This was, of course, irrelevant. Using WP in populated areas and claiming that it was not being used as a weapon is ludicrous. Its like stripping paint with a flamethrower, then claiming no responsibility for the house burning down. Your defense being that you were merely trying to strip paint. It doesn't wash.
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 02:19 AM
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14. Agreed I will be intersted in reading any
follow up to this story
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Kurska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 12:41 PM
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11. If the situation is against the IDF's approved used of white phosphorus glad they will be punished
It is used by alot of people as a smokescreen, I'm guessing the violations in this specific case would be it's use to close to civilian areas as was reported during the conflict.

I'm glad the IDF could resolve that.
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