Long-term Gaza mission could have serious impact on the economy

[Lithos]

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1050466.html

It is still much too early to estimate the final cost of the military operation that began Saturday in Gaza: it is still not known how long it will last and whether it will include ground forces, require the call-up of reserves or include a prolonged stay in the Gaza Strip.

However, each day of such a military operation costs tens of millions of shekels for Air Force strikes and bombs, plus many other expenses. This in itself will not cause a budgetary problem, said a senior government official, since even a week-long ground operation could be absorbed by the existing defense budget and would only be felt in the 2009 state budget.

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[Statistical]

3. In related news people on DU NEVER talk about the financial cost of the Iraq war (n/t)

[GoesTo11]

4. Stop with the Jew - Money references please.

Jews often care about things other than money. Not only that, but Arabs sometimes care about money.

[Alamuti Lotus]

5. did I write the original article above?

there are somewhat more pressing matters at hand at the moment, I would appreciate attention directed accordingly and not towards whatever personal fantasy you would like to direct this towards.

[GoesTo11]

6. No, you wrote about "their money", "the precious money"

The article was just factual reporting. War has economic cost. Perhaps you are not aware of a thousand year old anti-semitic stereotype of Jews and their greed. It's well-summarized in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, which, by the way, is a fabrication.

[Alamuti Lotus]

7. And it's connection to me is.....? Did I write that as well?

Fantastic smear attempt, brownie points for that. Successfully derailed after a mere 25min! :(

[Kurska]

9. How it a smear attempt to say "Their precious money" might not be a good way to talk about jews?

Am I crazy to suggest that might be in bad taste?

[Alamuti Lotus]

10. Yes.

But, thank you for playing.

[Kurska]

14. Thanks for clearing that up

Those crazy Israelites and their precious money, to bad they spent it all on their last batch of blood matzo huh?

[Violet_Crumble]

12. What I Learnt From This Thread...

Do not ever EVER EVER!!! talk about money and Israel in the same sentence lest some dimwits who seem to believe Israel=Jews (but only when references are good coz when they're bad it's sooo antisemitic to equate Israel and Jews) start frothing at the mouth and squealing about antisemitism and derailing yet another thread with their inanity...

[Kurska]

15. If you're implying that all israel can think about is money, they yes it will be viewed in bad taste

In related news, water is wet and the sky is blue.

[Violet_Crumble]

No, I'm sure Israel has a few other things on its mind...

And who apart from you and yr associated screeching brigade gives a flying fuck what you view as bad taste? All I've seen you do is deliberately distort what someone else said, introduce the word 'Jew' when it wasn't there, and generally act all ridiculous...

[Kurska]

29. I lead a brigade now, isn't that grand?

You know what is ridiculous, not understanding that any comment made about Israel that closely resembles a Jewish stereotype is going to be viewed, at least by some people, as one.

Imagine is someone said Israel controls the world banking system, that would be viewed pretty hesitantly too.

[Violet_Crumble]

31. No, I don't think yr bright enough to lead any brigade...

I'm sure I didn't say you did lead a brigade, but given yr performance in this thread, what people actually say isn't all that important to you...

You know what's fucking ridiculous? Yr petulant squealing and dishonesty in this thread. For fucks sake, yr nonsense is every bit as stupid as what i pointed out about Australia and alcohol in another post...

And no-one in this thread said Israel controls the world banking system or said anything even slightly similar to that...

[Kurska]

35. I didn't say anyone said that (It just seemed like a equivalent example)

Do I think "All Israel cares about is their precious money" and "Israel run the world banking system" Would both be very good examples of idiotic Jewish stereotypes being applied to the Jewish homeland, absolutely (And Yes I'm well aware only one of those two idiotic statements was presented seriously in this thread, way to go)

But please continue with the personal insults, it's very revealing to be honest.


And I was most certainly not seriously about the brigade thing, I just think it was a funny little statement.

[Violet_Crumble]

36. Oh for goodness sake!

I read the fucking thread. The response to Lithos' post wasn't stereotyping anything or idiotic...

And you don't want to get on yr high horse about personal insults, considering you've personally attacked me in threads since you first started here...

[Kurska]

39. I believe it was pretty dangerously close to Sterotyping

And If you reread the thread, I simply said it was in very bad taste and could easily be seen as stereotyping.

[azurnoir]

16. Today has been a study in tall horse riding by some n/t

[Alamuti Lotus]

19. Somehow, I am astounded

I have seen some fairly wacky things elsewhere, but this kind of behavior truly takes the taco(*)..


(*) OOH! THAT MUST BE A REFERENCE TO MEXICANS! HE HATES MEXICANS TOO!.........um, no.

[Violet_Crumble]

25. I don't know whether to be amused or irritated by the super-ultra-mega sensitivity in this thread...

I guess I end up being amused, though yr taco comment was really cute :)

I can't decide what to do next. Fire off a heated email of outrage to the Knesset warning them that they must dismantle their financial departments lest they be accused by a few DUers of being antisemitic due to their press releases concerned with money, or whether to trot off and concoct some faux outrage next time someone mentions Australians and alcohol in the same sentence and accuse the unsuspecting soul of hating Aboriginals due to the ethnic stereotype about their drinking and how Australia's their ethnic homeland? So many choices, so little time! ;)

[azurnoir]

13. You mean Israels money?

how come the only time the "Protocols" are mentioned is when the Pro's are trying derail a thread? Or a comment?

[Kurska]

18. Probably because it's the clearest example of crazy anti-jewish sentiment not tied to nazi germany

And a pretty good example to bring up when people start saying crazy things about jews or the jewish state.

[TahitiNut]

8. It seems to me the article is about ISRAELIS and the Israeli defense budget.

Who's talking about "Jews"?? There's a difference, ya know. :eyes:

[Kurska]

11. If any ethnic sterotype was applied to any situation involving the ethnic homeland of that people

It would be viewed suspiciously

[azurnoir]

17. Perhaps you should take that up with the person who

posted the thread.

[Violet_Crumble]

20. Yeah, that'd be Lithos, wouldn't it?

;)

[Kurska]

22. Musing on the cost of a military action isn't a jewish sterotype

Saying they are obsessed with and or so worried about their precious money it's all they can think about is a example of a stereotype.

[Violet_Crumble]

26. Neither was anything else said in this thread, so cut the bullshit...

Accusing other posters of something they never said is pathetic, as is yr super-mega-stupid oversensibility ....

[Kurska]

32. Sorry for being so damn oversensitive

We just had a wonderfully little member of DU say "God damn jews" Earlier on in a different thread. So excuse me if I'm a little skeptical of the good hearted nature of comments on jewish stereotypes.

[Violet_Crumble]

34. I don't see how that explains oversensitivity...

What does a blatantly antisemitic comment like 'god damn jews' by someone else on another thread have to do with yr behaviour in this thread? That other comment is undisputably antisemitic, yet yr getting all outraged about a comment that didn't even mention Jews, wasn't along the lines of the *Israel controls the world financial system* one, and was imo a perfectly harmless thing to say that I've seen said many many times when it comes to the US and the cost of the invasion of Iraq. I've seen quite a few really bigoted things said about Arabs and Muslims here at DU, but that doesn't mean I go into ultra-sensitivity mode and go around accusing others of being bigoted...

Another thing. While I don't see how the comment in this thread could be construed as antisemitic without a lot of twisting, I have seen posts where people do make comments that are bigoted against an ethnic group without even realising what they've said is offensive. When that happens, rather than yelling at the person, trying to make them feel like shit, and generally coming close to having an exploding head over it, isn't it better to explain in a non-angry way why the comment could be seen as offensive and do it without accusing the person of any sort of bigotry?

[Kurska]

37. Can we atleast both agree that DU has it's share of bigotry?

And that the comment might at least Be viewed in extreme bad taste given the current situation. Given this whole thing is starting to repeat itself I think I'll bow out of the conversation.

[Violet_Crumble]

40. I can definately agree with yr first comment...

I've been here a long time and DU has it's fair share of bigotry, whether it's antisemitism, anti-Muslim/Arab, homophobia, sexism etc. But I can't agree with the second, sorry. I understand that you've taken it in extreme bad taste and I don't really think you were being dishonest but more reacting to what you thought someone was trying to say, so I think you acted out of oversensitivity in a situation where people in the forum seem to be more flighty and prone to take offense than usual. Given that it's dinner time and yr right about us starting to repeat ourselves I think it's a good time to leave it, but I hope you did read the final paragraph in another post of mine...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=124&topic_id=229511&mesg_id=229583

[Kurska]

21. It's okay to muse on the costs of a military action

It's not okay to say that's all the Jewish state can think about.

Do you see the difference?

[Alamuti Lotus]

24. You are apparently unfit to understand my words..

therefore, with this I will offer none further to you: distortion and invention are not tantamount to paraphrasing, so please stop.

[Kurska]

27. I don't believe I'm unfit for anything, sir

But as you wish, no one is making you respond you know.

[Violet_Crumble]

28. I disagree with yr self-assessment...

You've deliberately twisted what was said into something that wasn't said and repeated that same bullshit. That makes you someone who's lacking in both integrity and sincerity and definately not someone who I'll be ever taking seriously in this forum...

[Kurska]

30. I've done nothing wrong and I stand by every word I said

And on the matter of taking someone else seriously, lets just say the feeling is mutual.

[Violet_Crumble]

33. Well, I'm sorry that you don't hold honesty and integrity very highly...

Gosh, I think I might just run to bed now and cry myself to sleep knowing that you don't take me seriously *fake sob*

[Kurska]

38. Your tone throughout this entire thread has been so incredibly childish I'm at a loss for words.

I really just don't know how to respond to that to be honest.

[Violet_Crumble]

42. And the way you treated me in one of the Mumbai threads wasn't?

I don't see how telling you yr oversensitive and reading something that wasn't there into someone's comment is being childish. To me being childish would be replying to posts with 'boo hoo hoo' which is what I saw in a thread today, so if I've said anything to offend you, I apologise....

[Kurska]

43. What did I say excatly?

I do apologise for anything I said that you might have take personally, international crises are always a very trying time for everyone on DU and mean things can be said unintentional (and so can stupid things, which is what I think caused this entire tangent to break off)

[Violet_Crumble]

45. I'm pretty sure it was deleted and I replied in kind before it was...

I don't know about you, but I think about now might be a good time for you and me to start afresh? You can call it a hudna if you like! :)

[Kurska]

46. 100% in agreeance there

Especially when at the moment feelings might be running a little Frayed. If only actually solving the I/P Conflict was as easy huh?

[GoesTo11]

23. The OP is fine - it's relevant enough news

But the news item is far from saying that "they care only about their precious money". It's an article from an Israeli paper that reports on the potential costs of this military operation. Then Mr. Precious Money threw in the Borat-level stereotypes (In my country there is problem).

[bemildred]

41. Israeli leaders face crucial choice in Gaza

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=124&topic_id=228696&mesg_id=228877

In thinking about that again, it (money, cost) might have been a reason for doing this now, it might not be possible later.

[Kurska]

44. That thre is room in the budget for it at the moment most certianly could be a reason.

If Israeli leadership viewed this sort of action as inevitable and I belive that after the failure of the truce they might have.

[ProgressiveMuslim]

47. Yes, destroying a society isn't cheap. Doesn't look like the American taxpayer will be much help

this time around.