Israel jails neo-Nazi gang members for up to seven years

[IndianaGreen]

Source: Haaretz

Last update - 19:20 23/11/2008

Israel jails neo-Nazi gang members for up to seven years

By Ofra Edelman, Haaretz correspondent

The Tel Aviv District Court on Sunday sentenced eight neo-Nazi gang members exposed last year in Petah Tikva from one to seven years in prison.

The court stated that the phenomenon revealed during the investigation of the case is extremely severe, shocking and horrifying - particularly in light of the fact that the suspects were all youths and immigrants from the Commonwealth of Independent states.

According to the original indictment, filed last September, the eight defendants - mostly immigrants from the former Soviet Union between the ages of 17 and 20 - perpetrated violent hate crimes against Asians, religious Jews, drug addicts and homosexuals.

The indictments included charges of conspiracy to commit a crime, assault, racial incitement and the distribution of racist materials.

The police investigation into the cell began over a year ago, following two incidents of vandalism against Petah Tikva synagogues. Police detectives found neo-Nazi materials on the computers of two suspects.

The video clips found on the computers showed the suspects, along with other people dressed in typical skinhead, neo-Nazi clothes, in the process of assaulting their victims.


Read more: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1040184.html

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These cockroaches are everywhere! I see little difference between the homophobia of neo-nazis and that of Prop 8 supporters.

[Turbineguy]

1. What a bunch of brain-boxes

being neo-nazis in Israel.

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[DavidDvorkin]

4. That didn't take long.

Post #3.

[Yonatan]

5. Right.

You don't know much about neither the middle east nor the difference between an indivisible monolith and millions of different people thinking and acting differently now do you?
Sigh.

[Behind the Aegis]

7. Try learning history.

Barring that, you shouldn't open your mouth. It is one thing for people to think you foolish, it is another to open your mouth and prove them correct.

[zonmoy]

11. Perhaps you shouldn't go opening your mouth before you spend some time

living with the palestinians in their own villages and work as an observer at the checkpoints to see the abuses for yourself.

[Behind the Aegis]

13. Again, keep your mouth shut, lest you spoil the illusion.

Despite their being issues, some them more than grave, to compare to the level of Nazi atrocities, shows your ignorance and lack of knowledge of actual history.

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[Behind the Aegis]

18. Oh yes. Another false conclusion.

By all means, please show where I "...mantain the lies that israel is always the victim and never the abuser."

[zonmoy]

22. Your smart enough not to openly say it but you believe it.

[Behind the Aegis]

23. Oh so now your psychic?!

LOL!

PATHETIC and EPIC FAIL!

Let me guess, this is one of your "facts?" No wonder you can't speak clearly on this topic, you make shit up as you go.

[zonmoy]

26. Not psychic at all

merely observant

I observe how you behave about the subject that then brings obvious conclusions from said behaviour. Your reply to post 16 was the damning evidence.

[Behind the Aegis]

28. And yet, for all your observational skills...

...you can't discern how idiotic it is to compare I/P to the Nazi regime? That clearly says much about your "skills," or rather, lack thereof.

[zonmoy]

30. You forget that there was a long buildup to the point that the nazis could impose the final solution

israel isn't at that point, yet!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Behind the Aegis]

32. BWAHAHA!!!!

Are you fucking for real?!

Again, you show you don't have a clue as to what you speak, therefore erasing all illusions. Israel, one of the most powerful nations on earth, after 60 years of existence, and 41 years of occupation, and it is gearing up for a "Nazi-like" killing spree? Your comedy could use some work.

[zonmoy]

37. They took their time forcing them into smaller and smaller ghettos

waiting until they can either starve them to death or exterminate them. Actually havent they completely cut off all food and medical supplies to the palestinians.

http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/05/10/the-shrinking-... /

http://www.northernspiritradio.org/index.asp?command=sh...

[Behind the Aegis]

38. Still grasping, huh?

You've shown you know nothing of the situation, which makes your comparison all the more absurd and idiotic. You are one of those filled with an "Israel is evil" mentality, and thus unable to understand nuance of the situation, so you must lazily compare it to the Nazis.

[cali]

52. No, there really wasn't.

Please inform yourself. It was a matter of a few short years. Israel has been in existence for 60 years.

[Jim Sagle]

51. Why do you link to an antisemitic crank site?

[awoke_in_2003]

16. So, you are saying that

we shouldn't be concerned with Israel's treatment of the Palestinians until they start killing them wholesale?

[IndianaGreen]

17. Those Palestinians you defend treat LGBTs the same way these neo-nazis did

http://www.indegayforum.org/news/show/26762.html

[awoke_in_2003]

20. And America and Israel treat them better? nt

[Behind the Aegis]

21. By FAR! Especially, Israel!

[awoke_in_2003]

24. Well, at least we (US and Israel)

don't stone them. However, we (US) still do not offer them the same rights the rest of us enjoy.

[Behind the Aegis]

25. That is true, we don't stone them...do you have a point?

As I am gay and American, I am well aware of my rights and those I still lack, but I also know I am WAY better off than were I in Iran or Gaza.

[IndianaGreen]

29. Gays in Cuba have more right than gays in America. How's that?

Despite Latin American historical cultural machismo that oppresses women and persecutes LGBTs, Cuba's parliament is now considering a bill to recognize same sex marriages. Even the capitalist press has taken notice:

Mariela Castro speaks out for Cuba's gay minority
MARY LAMEY, The Gazette
Published: Saturday, July 29 2006

Mariela Castro preaches revolution, though not the kind her uncle Fidel has ever embraced.

As the head of Cuba's National Centre for Sexual Education, Castro is a vocal supporter of rights for lesbians, gays, bisexuals and the transgendered. That support brought her to Montreal yesterday, to speak at the International Conference on LGBT Human Rights, being held in conjunction with the First World Outgames.

Castro, 43, is the daughter of Raul Castro, Cuba's defence minister and the first in line to succeed 80-year-old dictator Fidel Castro, who has ruled the country for 50 years.

http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/montreal/sto...

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[The Second Stone]

42. And that justifies any abuses against them?

In civilized places all people are held to the same laws and the answer for abuses is prosecution and equal treatment, not oppression. Gay and lesbian crimes used to be frequent in this country and still happen. That doesn't justify a lousy justice system.

[Behind the Aegis]

19. Clearly, that is what I am saying.

Comparing the situation of the I/P conflict to those of the Nazis is nothing more than intellectual laziness and stupidity.

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[IndianaGreen]

14. Begging your pardon, but there is no mention of Palestinians in the OP

However, I will be more than happy to discuss that issue in the I/P forum, beginning with the way Palestinian LGBTs are treated within the Palestinian community.

[zonmoy]

33. Might join you there although I dont much care for the board because of the

endless "israel can do no wrong" crowd that seems to control that board.

[IndianaGreen]

34. The mods in that forum are fair!

I have no problem there.

[Behind the Aegis]

35. Oh yes, you are the true "victim."

[azurnoir]

8. This has nothing to do with the Israel/Palestine conflict

The same neo-Nazi's that are targeting Jews would also be every bit as happy to target Arabs, I have seen speculation that these thugs are the offspring of Russian immigrants who came to Israel when the then Soviet Union expelled it's Jewish population in the late '80's, at that point in time the number of "Jews" in the USSR increased because being Jewish or at least claiming you were was the ticket out and Israel excepted all Jews so that was the destination, the point being that it was not that some of these people wanted to go to Israel but that they wanted out of the USSR.

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[Behind the Aegis]

10. Seems you too need a history lesson.

Comparing Israelis to Nazis is the mark of intellectual laziness and oozes of idiotic propaganda not even fit for Fox News. Please, show us all your great knowledge, and start by listing the "disturbing number of similarities".

[The Second Stone]

40. Beginning with ad hominems is an intellectually lazy start.

And I'm not going to try to justify my opinion of the Israeli mistreatment of Palestinians to you. You have only ad hominems for the people who disagree with you. Intellectual laziness is not holding your group up to the same standard that you hold others. Intellectual laziness is ad hominems. As for the Fox News crack, they are propagandists (no different from what you are doing), but they are not Nazis. They have killed no one, they only spread hate.

But I will list some details for the benefit of those reading:

Israeli "defense" services have killed many Palestinian civilians over the years and crushed homes for the offense that another member of their family was accused of being a terrorist without the right of trial before their peers. This is not different than how the Nazis would kill civilians after an attack on one of their officers. Killing Heydrich (which was justified) resulting in civilians who had nothing to do the killing being rounded up and mass executed: group reprisals are inherently crimes against humanity.

I used to debate this subject with Israelis. A former acquaintance dual American Israeli citizen once bragged me that he assassinated Palestinians for the Israeli government and thought those assassinations justified. The "crime" of the victims? Calling for the deaths of collaborators. Not causing them, but calling for them. I've never communicated with him since. I will not abide murderers, nor their apologists. Don't worry, he has made "special note" of who I am and what my opinions are, you needn't bother to do the same.

A government doesn't get to kill people under its control and be entitled to the support of civilized people, with the exception of the death penalty after a fair jury trial, and even then it is disgusting. There are no death camps in Israel, but the Gaza is very similar to the Warsaw Ghetto. The people are kept in great density, poverty and oppression in both and the occupying army stomps in whenever it pleases. The intifada is similar in many respects to the uprising. Revenge for Munich is justifiable, destroying the homes of people related to terrorists is not. Nor is destroying the home of a terrorist if other people live there. http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/03/16/rafah.death / is a story of an American protester murdered by a bulldozer operator in Gaza. He reversed and went over her again to make sure she was dead. There wasn't even a trial, only an internal whitewash investigation. Murder of dissidents. Not jailing or interfering with dissidents, but outright murder.

The occupation of the West Bank for Israelis is not really any different than Hitler's land expansion (he called it living space) in the east. The refusal to let war refugees of the despised "race" is no different than Nazis seizing Jewish property. Palestinians are not free to travel about the land of the ancestors without great government interference, effectively being stripped of citizenship in their ancestral homeland, the excuse being that they left as refugees during a war. This is similar to the Nazi Jewish laws.

The depth of my disgust with the Nazis gets compared in my mind with the Israeli treatment of Palestinians because of the great number of similarities.

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[BeHereNow]

12. Welcome to DU- hope you are wearing your flame suit...

BHN

[The Second Stone]

50. Thank you for the welcome

I've got my silicone heat resistant suit on. I've been "warned", "threatened" and "remembered" ominously for this opinion before. But if nobody stands up and says anything, then it just gets worse. Today is the first day of the rest of my life, and I will be respectable and silent on this matter no longer.




When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I was not a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.



Martin Niemoller

[provis99]

2. Jewish neo-Nazis?

I guess thats the sign of the end times. Cats and dogs are living together.

[Behind the Aegis]

6. African slave traders?

Some don't even use the neo-Nazi label, Israel Shamir, but had any of them written articles against Israel, you bet they would have found a platform on places like CounterPunch. Also, this type of behavior is not common, but is seen in a variety of other groups.

[Blue_in_Mass]

36. There are Russian neo-nazis, as well.

Russia suffered horribly at the hands of the Germans during WW2. Cats and dogs, indeed.

[Crunchy Frog]

44. They're Russian and not Jewish. They have some Jewish ancestry somewhere

but absolutely no connections to Jewish culture or any sort of Jewish identity. Their families most likely emigrated to Israel for economic reasons, and because their geneology allowed for it. It's an indication that there may be some problems with the "right of return" as it is currently implemented.

[LeftishBrit]

47. Yes

People with any known Jewish blood are permitted to immigrate; and these are people who probably have extremely little Jewish ancestry, and no cultural connection. There are proposals in Israel to be a bit tougher on immigration rights just for this sort of reason.

[THUNDER HANDS]

39. am I too late for

[IndianaGreen]

41. Jets beat the Titans today!

May I have some of your popcorn?

There are a lot of neo-nazis in this country, and they have lots of stuff in the internet.

[Cleita]

45. There isn't any difference.

Also, my experience with neo-Nazis in Idaho shows them to be a criminal class no different than inner city gangs. Most of them end up in prison any way because they support themselves with robberies and hold ups.

[IndianaGreen]

46. We got our own version of neo-nazis here in Indiana

They are all alienated from society, and the hateful ideology they adhere to is the only thing that validates their pathetic existence.

[LeftishBrit]

48. Good that they've been locked up

Neo-Nazis seem to be a problem EVERYWHERE.