Anti-Semitism on the rise in Holland following Mideast events

[Phx_Dem]

THE HAGUE, Holland (EJP)--- There has been a dramatic increase in anti-Semitism in Holland in recent weeks, according to a report by the Israel Information and Documentation Centre (CIDI).


http://www.ejpress.org/article/10082

[peacetalksforall]

1. I am horrified at the use of the words anti-Semitism.

What is going on in Israel now by all the killing and destsruction is by the political leaders in Israel who are now in charge - plus their military and supporters in partnership with the US and UK leaders. There are peace seekers within Israel and the US and the UK who would not use the words anti-Semitism.

This is not an issue of anti-Semitism. It is an issue requiring us to pinoint just who is to be targeted.

I believe any news disseiminated in Holland referring to anti-Semitism is absolutely wrong.

It is a shortcut that is inaccurate.

No one should use the words until after checking the dictionary for the meaning of Semite. There are not that many Semites in Israel.

Though the word phrase, 'anti-Semite' is also in the dictionary, it doesn't mean that it should be used.

There is a faction within Israel equal to PNAC - we need to come up with a name for it. The Semites of the remainder of the 'region' should not be exoriated. The Europeans who immigrated to Israel who are NOT Semites, but who are the equals of PNAC are to be blamed - along with any Semites who ARE citizens of Israel.

We have a terminology problem. It's time to get it straightened out because it is a waste of time and extremely misleading and it is a propaganda tool to accuse requiring unnecessary defensiveness.

[mom cat]

2. I think that people are anti-colonialist, and anti-aggression, not

anti-semetic, although the continuation os aggressive policies by Israel could indeed give rise to real anti-semitism. That would only compound the tragedy.

[Phx_Dem]

3. How about anti-jew?

that work for you? YOu know that white supremists love to twist the meaning of "anti-semitism" just like you did. I am pointing this out so you can evaluate your stmts for yourself, I am NOT comparing you to a white supremists.

edit spelling

[peacetalksforall]

4. Absolutely not. I am not suggesting anti-Jew. I don't know all the

labels used within Israel. I am talking about the faction within Israel that is equal to PNAC and world barons who want secured oil and water and any other of the earth resources that come with it - for their own and at the expense of others.

This is an issue in which I don't see religion or race. This is an issue of political partnerships that rely on each other to achieve an agenda that goes beyond hostage taking and killing.

I am anti the faction within Israel who connives and maneuvers with US and UK counterparts and barons and I don't know what the label is.

I am pro Israel and pro Palestine.
I am pro Jew and pro Moslem.
I am pro Orthodox Christian and pro Buddist and any other religion ----- provided ...

THey DO NOT KILL and STEAL and cause DEBT.

I AM AGAINST ANYONE WHO DOES NOT CONSIDER THE CHILDREN and seven generations, plus 7 million generations.

I despise killers. Not all Israelites kill. Not all Arabs, Turks, Iranians, Afghans, Kurds kill.

Not all Jews, Moslems, Sikhs, Eastern and Western Christians kill, and so on.

I resent any accusation of prejudice. I apologize if I did not write well enough to explain what I meant.

I side with anyone who is intelligent enough and humane enough to stand up against killing and destroying.

[Phx_Dem]

5. I don't think there is an equivalent to PNACers

though the Likud party represents Israeli right-wingers.

[MrPrax]

7. Crying wolf?

I agree...this is dangerous.

Racism is an issue that transcends these geo-political conflicts, but there seems to be NO shortage of people who will employ the 'R' card to manipulate support for the conflict.

The result will be that the term 'anti-semitism' will lose it's power and people will just become de-sensitized and ignore it. If the term is simply used by the most strident rightwing supporters of Israel to demonize people, then it becomes a political term...just like it's always been.

It seems to me that most of the propaganda being flung out by the Israel side is simply done to create moral equivalency. It's Arabs and Muslims that have been getting gears for the last 5 years, especially in the Netherlands where a prominent director was assassinated by a crazed Muslim idiot.

But they want you to know that there is anti-semitism and it is directly involved in the process. How exactly one can promote this one, when one can plainly see every signal western government has tacitly supported Israel, would suggest otherwise. But its done as an attack on the public; A drive-by character assassination and 'anti-semitism' is a strong weapon against some liberals.


So when Mamet writes like he did on the weekend, about how everyone is 'anti-semitic' because they are not unconditionally supporting Israel -- this is not new.

This is what Mamet wrote two years ago -- no difference inspite of what is occurring on the ground:

Here, in Israel, are actual Jews, fighting for their country, against both terror and misthought public opinion, as well as disgracefully biased and, indeed, fraudulent reporting. Here are people courageously going about their lives, in that which, sad to say, were it not a Jewish state, would, in its steadfastness, in its reserve, in its courage, rightly be the pride of the Western world. This Western world is, I think, deeply confused between the real and the imaginary. All of us moviegoers, who awarded ourselves the mantle of humanity for our tears at "The Diary of Anne Frank" — we owe a debt to the Jews. We do not owe this debt out of any "Unwritten Ordinance of Humanitarianism" but from a personal accountability. Having eaten the dessert, cheap sentiment, it is time to eat the broccoli. If you love the Jews as victims, but detest our right to statehood, might you not ask yourself "why?" That is your debt to the Jews. Here is your debt to the Jewish state. Had Israel not in 1981 bombed the Iraqi nuclear reactor, some scant weeks away from production of nuclear bomb material, all New York (God forbid) might have been Ground Zero.

I had two Tom Clancy books to while away the eons on the plane. One, as I say, was "The Sum of All Fears," which I discarded on the trip out. Alone, in my Jerusalem hotel room, I turn to my second Clancy novel, "The Bear and the Dragon." A subplot deals with the Chinese custom (reported by Clancy) of female infanticide. An American operative falls in love with a Chinese young woman and is informed of this crime and is, rightfully, horrified, as is Clancy. How can these little children be murdered? He writes, "If it were the Jews, the world would be Up in Arms." What can he mean? As the world was in 1941, when they rushed to the defense of 6 million innocents? Or as the world is today, in its staunch support of Israel's right to existence, and in opposition to the murder of its children? What can Clancy mean? Is there no beach novel to rest my overburdened sensibilities? Where do I belong? What will bring peace to the Middle East? Why has the Western press embraced antisemitism as the new black? Well, Jerusalem has been notorious, since antiquity, for inculcating in the visitor a sense not only of the immediacy but of the solubility of the large questions. I recommend it.
Forward

I mean Mamet finds anti-semitism everywhere...including characters in Tom Clancy novels. This is piece is strindently racist, chauvanistic and deranged -- but nobody would have seen it two years ago. It's just like the piece from the weekend -- rabid racist nonsense that is regularly published in western publication, but Mamet seems to think that the West is out to get him.

Who else in our society is allowed the license to make publish such stunning indictments without showing a hint of proof or correction?

[cali]

8. You'll probably have to remain horrified

The use of the word antisemitism to denote hatred toward Jews, is unlikely to change, for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is that if used toward all people who share a semitic language, it would be confusing. I don't understand all the fuss about this word. Many words do not connect directly with their etymological root.

In any case, people like you who feel so passionately about this, are certainly free to attempt to change the meaning of the word. Good luck to you.

[riverwalker]

6. what a bizarre article

<<CIDI spokesman Nathan Bouscher also said two of the organisers of a Jewish pro-Israel rally last week received death threats.
Phone messages included comments such as “Zionism is murder” and “Death to you dirty fascists”. >>


So now "death to fascists" is considered "antisemitic"?
:crazy: :wtf:
How convenient.

[cracksquirrel]

9. Right...

So calling for the death of the head of a pro-Israeli organization is not Jew-hatred? Oh, I'm sorry, this time the caller didn't call him a "dirty Jew", just a "dirty fascist". I guess that's alright then.
Jew-haters are smarter than they used to be, they've learned how to manipulate language in such a way as to spew the same disgusting diatribes they always have, but with the linguistic cover of attacking someone's POLITICAL affiliations rather than religious ones.
The more things change, the more they stay the same.

[IndianaGreen]

10. I wouldn't call two isolated incidents in the hysterical way EJP did

two of the organisers of a Jewish pro-Israel rally last week received death threats.

Phone messages included comments such as “Zionism is murder” and “Death to you dirty fascists”.

One of the organisers was also physically assaulted on the street, most likely by the same man who threatened the two by phone. The pair reported the threats to the Dutch police.

We have two phone call threats by one man, who is also a suspect in the assault on a pro-Israel rally organizer.

I don't think this is enough for even having Captain Kirk calling for "Yellow Alert."

[IndianaGreen]

11. We had more anti-Semitic attacks in America than Holland had

U.S. Jews on 'heightened alert' as crisis escalates

BALTIMORE - Last Thursday, in the midst of a heat wave, the tranquility of the city's Jewish community and its institutions was shattered by a single beer bottle, which was filled with rags and gasoline and then thrown at a side door of Joseph Meyerhoff Library. Baltimore Hebrew University was awakened from its summer slumber by the sound of the bottle breaking on the metal door of the library and the police sirens that followed. The library sustained very minor damage, estimated at about $200.

On Friday, Jewish life in Baltimore appeared to be business as usual, but nevertheless something was different. Park Heights Blvd., which extends from the center of the city northward, is the address of many Jewish institutions. The community is vibrant and represents the full range of Jewish expression. Arthur Abramson of the Baltimore Jewish Council was appointed official community spokesperson on the incident. He explained that the community was aware of the constant need to protect its institutions and that, in times of crisis in the Middle East, this need increases.

Gil Kleiner, executive director of the Conservative synagogue Beth El Congregation of Baltimore told Haaretz before the Sabbath that Shabbat prayers would take place in a state of "heightened alert," but he repeatedly stressed that the Molotov cocktail was a lone incident and not part of a trend. Many signs point to the amateur nature of the attack, perhaps on the part of neighborhood teens who have had run-ins with the community in the past.

Still, the firebomb came just one week after the assault on Jewish Federation offices on the other side of the continent, in Seattle. Pam Waechter was killed and several people were injured when Naveed Afzal Haq, a Muslim-American with a history of mental illness, opened fire on them. Since then, there have been other disturbing incidents: an incendiary bottle was thrown in Queens and vandalism was reported in Brooklyn, Miami and Chicago. Arab-Americans demonstrating in Detroit carried effigies of Hassan Nasrallah on their shoulders, and the FBI said that security must be heightened in the area.

Kleiner emphasizes that the Jewish community is worried, but not frightened. But Judith Rowland, cantor of Baltimore Hebrew Congregation, which decided to install a buzzer system to control entry, confirms that the worry is sufficient to warrant heightened awareness.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/rosnerBlog.jhtml?itemNo=746942&contrassID=25&subContrassID=0&sbSubContrassID=1&listSrc=Y&art=1