Israel just invaded Lebanon, so where's the outrage?

[NoodleyAppendage]

All hell is breaking loose in the Middle East and where's the Chimp administration? And, where's the outrage here against Israel, who just invaded a sovereign nation because of 1 soldier? I don't remember hearing about Lebanon or Syria invading Israel because of their KILLING an innocent family (minus one girl, who is now mentally scarred for life) vacationing on the beach by shelling them to death.

J

[shadowknows69]

1. We're not allowed to be outraged about Israel in this forum

I think a mod will probably be along to remind us of that any second now.

[karlrschneider]

2. I don't think it's so much "not allowed", there's a forum dedicated to

this...which is probably a good thing.

[benburch]

3. You're exactly right.

Israel could be wiped off the map by a Pakistani Nuke, and we could not deal with it here.

[still_one]

8. actually that is not correct, because that would affect the world

in fact if this situation continues, it will spread

it is about time for the world powers to force ALL PARTIES TO THE NEGOTIATING TABLE

[JDPriestly]

19. That's been done -- Clinton did it. Arafat was extremely

reluctant to agree to anything, and the Palestinians haven't held up their side of the bargain.

[still_one]

27. that doesn't mean you should give up

that is the same logic being used that the U.S. won't talk bilaterly to North Korea. If we keep this shit up, it won't matter

[wellst0nev0ter]

33. Wasn't There No Suicide Bombings During 1999?

Also read Charles Enderlin's "Shattered Dreams" for a more balanced account of the peace process, in which the Palestinians were every engaged and Arafat made significant consessions.

[still_one]

38. I do not believe that is correct, however,

When Clinton left office, bush had an opportunity to take over where Clinton had left off, NOT only with the Israelli/Palestinine issue, but also with North and South Korea

Unfortunately, we know what didn't happen

We have to continue the peace process

[still_one]

7. not true, but your comment about the mods is against the rules

[shadowknows69]

9. Then I humbly apologise

and beg not to be smited.

[still_one]

10. I wasn't trying to be scarcastic, just to inform you of the rules

[LincolnMcGrath]

13. Is it really a rule violation?

Did the poster question the mod?

Or point out that the mod would soon be along?

[still_one]

17. yes, and from personal experience, you are not allowed to

critisize the mods. I can understand that. It is like a referee at a game

On the whole I think everyone at DU does a pretty good job of discussing and representing their points of view

[LincolnMcGrath]

21. ok

I don't see the criticism I guess.

[still_one]

28. You are probably right, but sometimes just bringing it in the

picture can cause a problem. I was probably being a little too sensitive about it, and as you said it would be hard to any real criticism in it

[shadowknows69]

35. and I was being sincere

I love this forum. If the mods need to slap me so be it but I wouldn't want to jeopardize my membership here.

[still_one]

39. you won't, and I probably overstated it, sorry

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[global1]

4. Where's The Chimp Admin - Where's The Outrage For Invading A Sovereign....

nation because of 1 soldier? Why would you expect outrage from *Co - they invaded a sovereign nation for nothing. * is probably cheering Israel on. Hell - the Cowboy diplomacy is spreading.

[still_one]

5. I agree it is a very serious issue

The superpowers should be in the middle of this to get everyone back to the negotiating table

Incidently, there was very little outrage when Syria invaded Lebanon, or the genocide going on in the Sudan, or the invasion of Iraq by us based on a lie

No one is innocent, and each side will continue the blood letting. It is time for the world to STOP saying who is right and who is wrong, AND FORCE ALL PARTIES TO THE TALBE. The U.S. can influence Israel, and the Arab countries can influence Syria and Lebanon, and perhaps the Russians or the Chinese can influence Iran

Unfortunately it won't happen.

The good religious leaders ON ALL SIDES won't let it

[The Straight Story]

36. Ummm, how do you force someone to bargaining table

and how do you enforce what they agree to?

[still_one]

41. Clinton did it with North Korea

not only did he prevent them from leaving the NPT, inspectors were allowed in. Also remember the Sunshine policy, unfortunately, bush and company put an end to that

For the current situation, what do the Palestinians want, and what does Israel want

Palestinians want a state

Israel wants security

if we had better people working the last six years for peace we wouldn't be in the situation we are in today

hell, I am an idealist because the other alternative is too terrible to consider

[joemurphy]

6. My outrage quotient is at zero level. I'm outraged out.

Mostly now I have a constant simmering level of hate.

[shadowknows69]

16. I hear that joe murphy

hate I never thought I was capable of. not against any one individual. I still love humanity. When it gets together in big political or religious groups it's a bunch of mindless assholes. It's getting near time that humanity has to stop playing these little penis waving games every few years and learn to get the fuck along or they really should just have it out in the final donnybrook and set civilization back 100 years. Maybe 1,000 if we're efficient about it. Might actually be the best thing for us but personally I kind of wanted to live with and love my wife for a few more years.

[still_one]

22. if the powers that be don't force this shit to stop

and have all parties negotiate once and for all, it may spread out of control to and endless war

[misternormal]

11. The "war" prez is likely drooling over this... n/t

[OhioChick]

12. You're right he is..........

Opens up the door to Iran. :nuke:

[lonestarnot]

18. Opens the door the the Ann Coulter tactic to "carpet bomb the

entire middle east."

[Just Me]

14. Haven't you heard? The U.S. and Israel are ABOVE the law.

Just in case you haven't heard.

[Behind the Aegis]

15. probably because, you, like others, are mixing things up.

Israel is being blasted all over DU. Of course the provocateurs, Hizb'allah gets a free pass for invading Israel, but that was to be expected here. The only time there is outrage, is when Israel "did it."

Try posting something positive about Israel or one of it's citizen and the Israeli haters will bounce all over it. So, if you want outrage, post something about an Israeli being the first Wimbledon winner from Israel...the hate will poor forth. Oh, I am sorry, not hate....outrage. :eyes:

[rockymountaindem]

20. I saw that thread

I'm surprised there are not one, but two deleted subthreads. Why bring politics into a story about one athlete?

[shadowknows69]

29. I have never, not once, expressed hatred

toward any Israeli or the nation of Israel. I have issues with national policies which seem counterproductive to peace.

[still_one]

34. Also, there was very little critisim when Syria invaded Lebanon

Of course it was more than just the captured soldiers, missiles were being fired into Israel, and support to fire those missles does come from Syria and Iraq. The problem is that this can escalate to very unpleasent results, not only for the directly involved parties, but for the whole world. It is time for peace

[burythehatchet]

23. Israel will not stop in Lebanon, I fear

[w8liftinglady]

24. Bush's response was to condemn iran and syria

[shadowknows69]

30. Might as well invite them to the impending party

n/t

[uppityperson]

25. I am outraged and watching to see what happens, anxiously

checking news sites but not expressing much here. This is one of those "aw hell and damnation" moments for me. I do not see that I can do much directly right now, but am watching, have been watching, and am outraged at all this.

[Buzz Clik]

26. Outrage? This would be a good time to be scared shitless.

We have troops just down the street, half the Arab world is grumbling at us, and Israel just used some of the war machinery we provided to cut loose on another country.

And what's our current terror alert status? It should be through the roof.

[shadowknows69]

31. Aschcroft took the pretty colored sign with him when he left.

and I am scared shitless.

[Major Hogwash]

40. This changes everything we were trying to do in the ME - bring peace!

Now that Arafat and Sharon are dead - this proves that Israel doesn't want peace!

[PFunk]

42. I fear this wont end...

...until both parties have either killed each other. Or force a situation which forces the rest of the world to end it for them. And this oncomming age of backpack nukes and homemade bioweapons I fear the later (which may be just to nuke the entire area and start over).

Either way a military solution is not the way. Neigher (and I may be flamed for this) a two state solution. The only solution seems to be a generic secular single state or nothing now.

[Recursion]

43. I'm afraid I agree with you

Too many bridges may have been burned (even literally...) for a two-state solution. Maybe the world needs one less Jewish nation and one less Arab nation, and a newly constituted multi-ethnic State of the Levant?

[NoodleyAppendage]

44. It occurred to me...maybe Israel invaded Lebanon to get at Iran.

This provocative act by Israel could be an attempt to drag Iran into the mix, which would then allow Israel or the US cover to bomb the crap out of Iran's nuke facilities.

Possible...

J

[sweettater]

54. You sir or madame

are exactly correct! no possible about it.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

56. I agree. This is about setting up...

...the pretext for bombing Iran.

[Nothing Without Hope]

45. BBC article on the Lebanon attack by Israel - ***LINK & EXCERPT:***

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5174726.stm
Last Updated: Wednesday, 12 July 2006, 21:04 GMT 22:04 UK

Israel in fresh Lebanon strikes

Caption: Israeli raids targeted bridges linking north and south Lebanon

Israel has launched night air strikes on bridges and roads in southern Lebanon, as the search goes on for two soldiers seized by Hezbollah militants.

Israel's military said the raids were to stop Hezbollah moving the soldiers.

The strikes came as an urgent session of the Israeli cabinet endorsed a strong response against the militants.

Israeli PM Ehud Olmert said the capture was an "act of war", but Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah insisted the two would only be returned via talks.

(snip)

And note that this very important development, which is in LEBANON, not Palestine, has been dumped into the cellar at DU - the notorious "Israel/Palestine" forum, where nothing can be voted onto the greatest page and censorship reigns. Freedom of speech? Not hardly. And there is need for truth here.

[longship]

46. Here IT IS!

Outrage at its most outrageous:

www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1620096

[IndianaGreen]

47. Don't worry, Bush is praying to Jesus as we speak

and Jesus will save us all.

(sprinkling holy water and offering a chicken to the Santeria god Chango)

[Nothing Without Hope]

48. Israel also bombed the Palestinian Ministry - ***BBC LINK & EXCERPT:***

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5175002.stm

Israel hits Palestinian ministry

Caption: An earlier air strike on a Gaza City home killed nine people

Israeli jets have attacked the Palestinian foreign ministry building in Gaza City in a fresh air strike.

At least 10 people were reported injured in the attack, which was said to have badly damaged the building.

The strike early on Thursday comes as Israel continues its Gaza offensive following the capture of an Israeli soldier two weeks ago.

At least 23 Palestinians died on Wednesday, including nine members of a family whose Gaza City home was bombed.

(snip)

Most people at DU won't see either this or the Lebanese bombing because this post has been dumped into the "Israel/Palestine" forum, where no threads can receive Greatest Page votes. The votes it got before it was dumped here are all it can get - so it will become invisible quite soon.

[Nothing Without Hope]

49. And we can't even mention this news, let alone discuss it, in GD or GD-P

How many other important world news events would be buried like this in a forum where no votes for Greatest Page can be given? And how l ong before DU treats this important world news without this censorship?

[Behind the Aegis]

50. Oh Bullshit!

There are 4 still active threads in GD and one in GD-P. The real mystery is why is something UNRELATED to I/P is relegated to another forum despite it being LBN, when the only 'violation' is that the story is about an Israeli sports star.

There is a reason this forum is here and there is a reason threads are sent here...can you figure out why? If not, I will point you to the threads that have 81 posts, but is filled with "deleted sub-thread."

[Nothing Without Hope]

51. BBC: ISRAEL ATTACKS BEIRUT AIRPORT - Link & excerpt:

too bad this important world news is banned from sight in the GD or GD-P forums.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5175160.stm
Last Updated: Thursday, 13 July 2006, 05:06 GMT 06:06 UK

Israel attacks Beirut's airport

Caption: Israel launched air strikes after two of its soldiers were captured

Israeli aircraft have fired rockets at the runways of Beirut's international airport, forcing its closure and the diversion of flights.

The attack comes as 27 civilians were killed in overnight Israeli raids on southern Lebanon.

Militant group Hezbollah says it has fired rockets into northern Israel. One person has been reported killed.

The violence follows the capture of two Israeli soldiers by Hezbollah. Israel has said it holds Lebanon responsible.

(snip)

[Name removed]

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[niallmac]

53. I wonder if we, the U.S.A. showed Israel the way.

Lets face it. No matter how much of a moral catastrophe Iraq has been...Georgie pooh has gotten away with it.

No social upheaval,
no move to impeachment,
no mood in Congress to confront the Chimp in Chief.

So, here lie Israel, bristling with armament, surrounded by
less than well wishers. Maybe they figure they have had it with the uppity neighbors and have decided to wipe the map clean once and for all.
Who cares about world opinion?
We don't.
Who cares about a legitimate reason for embarking on wholesale slaughter?
We don't
What if Israel nukes all it's neighbors? Who's going to stop them?
They are living amidst much more danger than the U.S.A. is
and look what we did 'Preemptively' for no damn reason at all.

I'm not pro Israel or anti Israel by the way.
I am pretty much pro children be they Iraqi, Israeli, American whatever.
That's why I think war sucks.

I'm agnostic too but my upbringing prompts me to say:
God help us.

[LiberalEsto]

55. They're just following the GWB example

of pre-emptive invasion. Our military was sent into Iraq without provocation, and one of the big concerns at the time was that every other country would feel that it could do the same thing.

[cali]

57. Yeah, because H'zbollah

which controls the southern border of Lebanon, and is part of the gov't, really didn't cross the border, kill Israeli soldiers, wound and abduct two and fire 60 rockets into Israeli towns injuring over a dozen civilians and killing one.

Don't get me wrong, I think it was disasterous for Israel to respond in Lebanon as it has, but that their action was pre-emptive is silly.

[Lithos]

58. Moderator Exception

Keeping this thread open provided it does not become inflammatory. This seems to be the main question people are asking and the answers are not clearcut, but it is obvious that the Bush Administration is lacking in any ideas, initiative or energy to resolve even the immediate issues behind this situation.

Lithos
DU Moderator