Israeli ambassador to UN asks world body to expel Iran

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http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/638105.html

Israeli ambassador to UN asks world body to expel Iran

By Aluf Benn, Haaretz Correspondent, and News Agencies

Israel's ambassador to the United Nations, Danny Gillerman, on Thursday asked the rotating president of the UN Security Council to expel Iran from the world body in response to Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's call Wednesday for Israel to be "wiped off the map."

Gillerman wrote in a letter that Ahmadinejad's comments require a strong and decisive response from the international community, Israel Radio reported. He said no country that calls for violence and destruction should be allowed membership in the UN.

UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan expressed "dismay" Thursday over the comments, saying the UN charter is opposed to threats or use of force against the territorial integrity and political independence of any state.


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Talk about splitting the UN and shattering it!!!

[skooooo]

1. I don't know if that's the answer...

...but I don't blame Israel for feeling that way.

[HereSince1628]

2. Yeah, designate them as a rogue nation and put the crosshairs

on them.

Bush is in a hell of a fix. The commander in chief gig has always been good to him.

[bloom]

3. At that rate the UN should expel the US... eom

[newyorican]

4. Brought to you by...

those that wiped Palestine from the map.



Selective outrage is a dish best served to a thoroughly lobotomized amen corner.

[ShockediSay]

7. Your picture is worth a thousand words

PLUS did anyone tell Israel that collective punishments are war crimes?!?

As I see it it looks like the terrorists vs the war criminals, and the labels are interchangeable.

[Name removed]

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[ShockediSay]

26. I started years ago w/ the Encyclopedia & Palestine

&learned what the professional spin doctors can do w/ the MSM, them and the unregistered foreign agents linked w/ AIPAC, not to mention the spies.

re: Do you get all your information from cartoons? Should we add "balloons" to the "picture?"

Your personal insolence reveals your pedigree.

[Behind the Aegis]

34. really?

Then you are aware of the propaganda coming from the "other" side as well, including the Arab press, as well as other foreign presses. I guess the Jews...er...Israelis, just haven't infiltrated those sources yet. :sarcasm:

[Jim Sagle]

10. Kewl!!!!!!!!!

[question everything]

15. Banana may be more nutritious for you

than the, interestingly, sourceless cartoon.

[Jim Sagle]

18. Note how the blown-up scale makes Israel look bigger than Russia,

when actually it's a very small nation.

I wonder why it gets so much attention? :shrug:

[question everything]

20. See my comment, below. There is something about

progressive around the world that makes them hate Israel. In old Europe it is a combination of plain old Anti-Semitism and the invasion of campuses with many Arab students.

Here, it is the knee jerk reaction against an oppressor. Yes, Israel did not handle the occupation well, but, as you correctly noted - most of the people who would like to see Israel being "wiped out" have no idea its size, certainly not compared to the rest of the Arab world.

[newyorican]

31. ummm..

Where is Russia on that map jimbo??

[Jim Sagle]

40. If Russia and Israel WERE both on the same map, Israel would be

invisible.

[chaz4jazz]

11. Uh, Stage 3 is wrong...

What was "supposed" to be Palestinian Land had, by then, become lands owned and controlled (or occupied) by Jordan (West Bank) and Egypt (Gaza Strip). Because the Palestinians listened to the Arab League's urgings to refuse the partitioning, they got nothing and Egypt and Jordan moved in and took over those lands. We all know what happened next: Egypt threatened Israel by placing 11 divisions on the Gaza border, they encouraged the Syrians to load up their borders on the Golan Heights and Jordan bought into the plan by firing artillary from the Jerusalem Hills. Israel struck back and in 6 days the entire geography was altered. Israel now occupied the lands that Egypt and Jordan held...

[question everything]

16. Oh, don't confuse them with facts

they are too lazy to actually read the historical facts.

And.. welcome to DU

:toast:

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[newyorican]

28. I have never read the Protocols to the Elders of Zion...

which is the actual title of the screed. Only excerpts. I do not use it as a source for historical context.

Your synopsis of the history of the area reads like it came from a junior high textbook. It appears you have failed to "question everything".

Source for the "cartoon" (e.g. Map):

Colorado Campaign for Middle East Peace

http://www.ccmep.org/delegations/maps/palestine.html

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[Dark]

23. Never mind that Jordan was as instrumental in absorbing Palestine as

Israel.

Oh, and who were the ones who started war after war with Israel?

[eyl]

36. Are you aware that,

according to that map, e.g. Tel Aviv - which, prior to being established by Jews in 1908, was literaly a series of sand dunes - was "Palestinian land"? And it's not the only "vanished" community.

Nor does it take into account that about 70% of the land was owned neither by Palestinians nor Jews.

IOW - check your sources better

[MisterP]

5. for what, violating UN resolutions?

[Zhade]

35. HA!

Indeed.

60+ now, isn't it?

The Israeli people certainly deserve a much better government than they've gotten over the past few decades.

[nerine]

6. But of course Israel can threaten military attacks on Iran w/o

consequences. And ignore UN resolutions without consequences. And the US can threaten AND invade without consequences. But Iran has to go because of someone shooting their mouth off.

It makes a lot of sense.

[question everything]

17. Have you ever opened an atlas to compare the sizes of Israel and iran?

[sleipnir]

8. Rest of Middle East asks for Israel to be expelled.

And with as good reason, too.

They act so high and mighty, but the cabal that runs Israel is as evil as our own Dark Lord in Washington.

Maybe we, too, should be expelled.

[cantstandbush]

9. The UN charter is against what? Can't be true. Didn't we invade Iraq?

'Splain this to me, please.

[chaz4jazz]

14. Why is everyone dumping on Israel and...

why the suprise at Iran's "wipe Israel off the map" statements? The Arab nations have been saying that for 60 years! And they had tried, unsuccessfully several times. It's all well and good to be critical of Israel in this day and age, but I guess you have to live in a nation the size of Rhode Island and be threatened with annihilation by terratories the total size of Canada and the United States.

[question everything]

19. Hard lessons

You will soon find out that hatred of Israel, often with hidden threads of Anti-Semitism is very strong on DU.

Mostly, ignorant people who are too lazy to actually learn the history of the area - starting from WWI. Hey, even "Lawrence of Arabia" can be a good source for these lazy minds.

The sad fact is that until 1967, when Israel defended itself against powerful armies, it was admired in the world for building a new society, based on equality, for cultivating swamps and desert.

But, no, people here prefer to see Jews and Israelis as victims. No doubt, had Israel been wiped by Arab nations there would be threads here with candles people mourning the demise of the small, courageous nation that dared to survive against all odds.

And they refused to accept the fact that Israel as a democracy, can have corrupt and inept government just like... well, you know.

And they are mad because they think that it was Israel who "got" this country to invade Iraq. As the saying go - you can lead the horse to the water, etc. Israel can ask but and perhaps it did, but the partner was willing.

Notice how someone above used the word "cabal?" Comes from the an old mystical Jewish teaching of Kabbala that was recently adopted by Hollywood celebrities.

No, they are not Anti-Semites, only anti Israel, anti Zionism... either way, the ignorance, shallowness and hate do float to the top.

Again, welcome to DU.

[newyorican]

21. The "anti-semitic" card is played with predictable regularity...

it's like argumentative ex-lax.

*yawn*

[jseankil]

22. ??? Iran said Israel should be wipe off the map dude. nm

nm

[newyorican]

24. I was responding to several posts in this thread...

such as 12, 13, 19 & 20.

Not to the original post. As far as the leader of one country threatening violence against another country:

Israel instructs America to attack Iran and Syria

Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon met with US congressmen yesterday to discuss which countries America should invade next.

Apparently still unaware that Iraq disarmed after the 1991 Gulf War under diplomatic pressure from the UN, Sharon stated that "Iran, Libya and Syria should be stripped of weapons of mass destruction after Iraq."

He described the situation in Iraq since the war "successful". In reality, post-war Iraq is in a state of crisis, facing a multitude of disastrous problems that grow worse with each passing each day. The country is in ruins, and the fighting never stops. So far today, ten hostages have been taken, and a series of explosions has killed dozens of children and over a hundred other civillians.

Source:
Haaretz Daily (Il), "Sharon says U.S. should also disarm Iran, Libya and Syria", 30 September 2004.
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?ite...

Obviously, Sharon defines success as lots of dead Arabs and Americans.

US Assures Israel That Syria And Iran Are Next

Israeli Newspaper Exposes US Plans

According to a report publlished by Israelâs leading newspaper Haaretz, Bolton, who is undersecretary for arms control and international security, is in Israel for meetings about preventing the spread of weapons of mass destruction.

In a meeting with Bolton on Monday, Prime Minister Ariel Sharon said that Israel is concerned about the security threat posed by Iran. It's important to deal with Iran even while American attention is turned toward Iraq, Sharon said.

With this information(recent history, BTW), the words and intent of Ahmadinejads seem more like a return-to-sender of the overtures from Sharon.

[Dark]

25. While I don't support the war as the means,

I don't see anything good about Iran, Syria, or Libya having WMDs.

I'd have to agree with Sharon. IF they have WMDs, and that is a big if, then we do need to do something about it.

Fundamentalists are dangerous regardless of religion.

[newyorican]

32. I can think only of one good...

thing about it.

It will keep the neocons and their amen corner enablers from having the 82nd Airborne making any house calls in any country with nukes. Every country in the world has seen the differing responses to Iraq and North Korea, what was the difference??? Nukes.

Other than that it pretty fucked up, but the nuclear toothpaste has been out of the tube for some time now. If Israel wants its nukes, then eventually there will be countries in the region that will aquire a counter balance. As sure as water seeks it own level.

[Dark]

33. Still,

Iran is ruled by fundamentalists. They don't think like normal people.

You know, rationally.

They hate Israel for breathing.

Israel isn't exactly what I'd call good, but their pragmatic. They don't hate anyone, they just want to exist, and most importantly they aren't going to nuke us to oblivion.

I can't say the same thing about Iran. This IS a culture that spawns suicide bombers (again, I'm talking about fundamentalism, not Islam). If they actually believe in seventy virgins waiting for them in the afterlife, what's to keep them here?

[jseankil]

27. Iran has supported terror against Israel for a long time now

This isn't something new for Iran and I understand why Sharon would want Iran attacked before they acquire Nukes.

[newyorican]

30. Fine...

Then don't get upset when threats are returned-to-sender.

If you live by the sword, be prepared to die by the sword.

[eyl]

38. Given that Iran

has been sponsering attacks-by-proxy against Israel for a long time now, that comment is more properly addressed to them.

[Jim Sagle]

39. Same back atcha.

Pal.

[Peace Patriot]

29. Perhaps this Iranian gov't official wouldn't be railing against Israel,

and wouldn't even have the power to do so, if the Bush junta hadn't demonized Iran and called it one of the "Axis of Evil," and if the US hadn't destroyed Iranian democracy and installed the horrid Shah, who was followed by the Mullahs. We have committed atrocities against the Iranian people, among them, trading with Saddam at a time when he was using chemical weapons on Iranians in the Iraq-Iran war, and permitting US companies to supply components of those weapons.

Read the Project for the New American Century, the Bushites plan for Holy Roman Empire II. They've been threatening and provoking Iran for some time; and inspiring fear and paranoia. Further, no one can deny that Israel's Likud gov't intensely lobbied the US gov't to draw the entire US military machine into the Middle East in an unjust war on Iraq. They have subverted people in our gov't to obtain US national security info. One such person in the AIPAC case (Franklin) just turned state's evidence to avoid prosecution as a spy.

Both Jews and the people who were in Palestine when Israel was created have a right to be there; are entitled to a home, and to safety and prosperity there. Why there is conflict about it is like a shouting and garbage-throwing contest between angry, unruly neighbors over a back fence. It has to stop!

The Likud party's view of Israel as a medieval fortress, armed to the teeth, walling itself in, is completely untenable. To expect the US to help them maintain this madness, and to utterly impoverish itself and destroy American democracy, in order to support this aggressive and desperate (and, with regard to Palestinian lands, greedy) Israeli policy, is the extreme of unwisdom. It is extremely detrimental to the interests of the Israeli people and all people in the Middle East.

Real and lasting security can only come from diplomacy, peacefulness and generosity--and from truly caring about the interests of all of the people in the region, not just Israelis. The Likud party's mad policy is leading straight to nuclear war in the Middle East. And, if you are familiar with Carl Sagan's book, "The Cold and the Dark," you will understand that even a limited nuclear exchange will not only poison the region, it would likely destroy all life on earth, due to impacts to the atmosphere.

Nothing is worth that! Nothing! Peace MUST be the goal. And peace MUST be achieved. There is no other option.

But neither the Bush junta nor the Likud party is SEEKING peace--and that is the problem.

The true driver on the US side are the war profiteers--Halliburton et al--who don't give a crap about Israel or its people. Get the war profiteers out of this situation, and the corrupt leaders who are in their thrall, and people will work things out. Most people want to live in peace!

Can we not, for the sake of all our Gods, and for the sake of all of our children, find a way to STOP this thousand year religious war, which has ever been a boon to the arms dealers? Can we not grow up? Can we not evolve? Can we not save ourselves? Is our self-extermination inevitable?

I know Israel is scared, and so are its Jewish and other supporters in the US and around the world. Scared of losing US support. Scared of its neighbors. But fear feeds on itself, and poisons and eventually kills the organism that is experiencing it. Fear PREVENTS wisdom. Fear ends up fulfilling its own nightmares. That is what I see in the ME situation: Israel's fear. Iran's fear. Fear on all sides. And too many innocent victims already--tens of thousands of them.

Israel has had America's ear to the virtual exclusion of all other interests in the Middle East. We--most Americans--never get any hearing of the other side, let alone a fair hearing. And the US/Israel leadership, currently, is so locked into violent policies, and so driven by war profiteers, and have together so bludgeoned the UN, that no other solution except endless war is ever proposed or discussed.

We can't even get to the negotiating table with the Arab/Muslim countries involved. It is not even being thought of!

Are we human beings, or are we rats running a maze? That's what I want to know. Do we have any brains or not? Maybe the Bushite fascist followers are right. We haven't evolved. We're the same stupid beasts we've always been, and the entire history of civilization is a tale told by an idiot, signifying nothing!

[pelsar]

42. Peace Patriot....

wrong forum......i hate to sound nasty but the "peace and flowers and lets all hold hands and sing kumbaya" forum is not here.

this one is based a tad bit more in the political realities of the middle east, which include different mindsets than your western ethnocentric fantasy of reality.

[question everything]

45. Are you the guardian of the forums, to tell other DUers

where they should and should not post?

Why is it your business?

I am surprised that others have not run to complain to mommy to delete your post. Oh, they don't mind when someone attacks someone who is not so much biased against Israel that everything get a halo in the forum of keffyiah.

[Violet_Crumble]

37. I'm going to say something that might be controversial here...

I read an article about this earlier today in a local newspaper. If what I read was correct, no other UN member has openly called for the destruction of another member country in the history of the UN, and imo, Israel's reaction was very understandable and Israel does has every right to ask for Iran to be expelled from the UN. In this particular case, it doesn't matter one iota that Israel has ignored UN resolutions and not kept to the spirit of the UN Charter at times. It doesn't make such calls from the leader of another country in the UN acceptable in any way...

Violet...

[pelsar]

41. somethings are simple....

a member state of the UN, its president calling for the destruction of another state....is really a black and white issue

its a far cry from "one state solutions, 67/48 borders etc

iran, like the taliban and saudi arabia are religious fundementalists (I actually have a much longer list, and includes jews/israelis as well)...meaning they are crazy...and dangerous. People like that dont recognize western thought/logic and the rights of others.

When they get into power, then we have a serious problem, far unlike the days of "west vs east"....the russians like the americans did "love their children"..fundamentalist seem to have no problem in using theirs.

the iranians, in their present form of govt and mentality with the Nbomb is a very serious problem

[Violet_Crumble]

43. Couldn't agree with you more, pelsar...

There's not a lot of things in life that are black and white, but this, imo, is one of them. Whether or not Iran has the capability to destroy Israel, or whether Israel has not abided by the spirit of the UN Charter at times is irrelevent to me - the fact that a member nation of the UN openly calls for the destruction of another member state is totally unacceptable. I'm paraphrasing here, but didn't this nutter threaten something along the lines that any country that recognises Israel will burn in the fiery pits of religious whackjob hell? Screw him and the horse he rode in on. Australia has recognised Israel's existence since it's creation, and you know I'm critical of Israel's treatment of the Palestinians, but I have no problems at all with my countries good relations with Israel, and would be concerned if they ever turned bad. And that's not looking at things from a purely Western mindset, which I tend to abhor, but looking at things from a realistic and humanist perspective....

Anyone who might be reading and thinking that this nutter was mistranslated, or that he's not really so bad as what people make out, think again. Iran never has been directly affected by the I/P conflict like some Arab states have. Does anyone know what happened to left-wing Iranians who embraced the revolution and thought it'd bring them better things? They were murdered by the religious whackos who took power. In my opinion, Iran should keep it's nose out of things, instead of tapping into the deepest and darkest fear of the Israeli people, and doing it's hardest to ensure that the I/P conflict will continue until all of our grandkids are old and grey...

I'm indulging in a bit of waffling now in order to address various points I've seen raised in threads about this issue, so bear with me. Has Iran called for the destruction of any other state? Well, yeah, that overblown and ugly rhetoric is aimed at the US on a regular basis. But why is it that we snigger away in our superior way at the thought of Iran invading the streets of Washington DC or Sydney, yet the thought of them in the streets of Tel Aviv makes the sniggering dry up in most of us? It's because deep within it's psyche, Israel carries a trauma that the rest of us don't, where even the slightest criticism of it's policy can lead to over-reaction and accusations that it's an attempt to destroy Israel. So when a blatant, obvious, and very genuine call to destroy Israel emerges, it doesn't matter that we know that Israel has more than the capability to defend itself, we should all be able to summon up the empathy required to understand why the crap espoused by the Iranian leader taps into the fears of Israel, and probably cements views that they're on their own against a tide of global anti-Semitism that wants to destroy them....

Fuck it, but I hate religious nutters...

Violet....