woman kills live-in boyfriend in self-defense

[left15]

Full Article Reads:

"WATERFORD, Calif. Stanislaus County authorities say a woman shot and killed the man she lived with early yesterday, apparently after he had beaten her.

The coroner's office identified the dead man as 49-year-old Daniel Hollenbeck of Waterford. The woman's name was not released, and authorities are calling her a domestic violence victim.

Neighbors say the woman often had bruises on her face and body, and Hollenbeck had been repeatedly arrested on domestic violence allegations.

The woman called nine-one-one and told dispatchers she had just shot Hollenbeck. She said she did it to stop him from beating her, according to the sheriff.

The woman was treated at a local hospital, but she was not arrested.

(APcredit: The Modesto Bee)"

http://www.kesq.com/Global/story.asp?S=2716734

This is part of the stat that says your more likely to shoot someone you know, than an unknown intruder.

[katinmn]

1. so now everyone is going to ask: why didn't she just leave?

That is so stupid.

Violent spouses of either sex are often supreme control freaks and master level manipulators. I imagine if she was getting beaten she probably tried to end the relationship previously, but did so gently, so as not to hurt him. After all, he had a lot of "problems" as a kid.

As you can see, I haven't much sympathy for spouse beaters.

[itzamirakul]

2. I think that a lot of

"beatees" secretly enjoy the status of "victim" and the sympathy that it engenders as they show a "brave" but bruised face to the world to show how much they are willing to suffer for some incalculable reason.

[katinmn]

3. that's a freaky thought n/t

[jukes]

4. munchausen

a small percentage perhaps do. it can be a sick, symbiotic relationship.

doesn't make these people less victimized. the munchausen syndrome is a symptom of the mental illness domestic abuse produces in the abused; men, women, or children.

[Kindigger]

5. Then there are those who

think it is "normal", because they were treated that way as children. Also the abuser, being a control freak, will have isolated the victim. The victim may know a couple people who don't live that way, but see them as the exception, and not the norm.

Edited due to not enough java.

[Acryliccalico]

6. Try it and see how much you like it

:( No one likes to get beaten, unless you are into S&M. In relationships, that are violent, that is not the case.

[demwing]

7. Thats only part of the truth

Some people stay in relationships that are violent when they should leave, and even when they could leave.

Do they "like" to get beaten? Why don't they leave?

There must be some psychological reason they stay.

I'm glad she finally defended herself, but wish it had not ended in more violence.

[DELUSIONAL]

10. The most dangerous time for a women is when she leaves

This is why women are told by shelters and counselors to prepare a get away fund and not to change their behavior -- and then just go -- leave. We read about cases of the boyfriend or husband who are hunted down and killed at their place of work -- or while picking up the kids at school. (and not to be sexist but wives also abuse their husbands&boyfriends).

I believe that John Kerry may be instituted the first get tough on abusers program as a prosecutor in the nation. I was living in Mass. at the time and I remember that the prosecutor made a major change and saved a lot of lives -- when comparing stats of before and after his enforcement of existing protection laws.

Shelters for abused women are key in helping women escape abusive relationships -- but often women can't escape -- because as mentioned the guy is a control freak and there are often children involved. Some ass hole states take the children away from the escaping women and return them to the man -- because he can provide for them or some such b.s.

This is really a complex subject -- with all the variable of dependency and control and then the legal problems involved in marriage or "ownership" of the children.

[slackmaster]

8. Sometimes a person you know needs to be shot

I'm glad she survived this nightmare.

[alwynsw]

12. What's the old saw?

I think it's, "Some people are alive only because it's against the law to shoot them."

Fortunately, in this case, the victim became the champion.

We can argue with others that she could have avoided further violence by leaving, but being a "glass half full" kinda guy, I figure she saved one (or several) more women and possibly children a great deal of future physical abuse by killing the bastard.

I'm also glad she survived it.

[Retired AF Dem]

20. So many people are alive today

simply because it is not legal to shoot them.

[mosin]

9. A tragedy

It was a tragic situation all around, but I am happy that the real victim survived. Too often they don't.

[Acryliccalico]

11. 100% agree

with DELUSIONAL

[Jack_DeLeon]

13. Good for her...

people who beat women deserve similar fates.

[Jackie97]

14. Food for thought.

If one is more likely to shoot somebody that they know, then that means they'll be in more positions to possibly do so.

Therefore, when one buys a gun for protection, it's for protection from somebody that they know (even if they don't realize it).

Here's the question of the day.

How many people have it in them to shoot somebody that they know and how many people will freeze when the time comes to use a gun in self-defense against somebody that they know? It's a lot easier to shoot a stranger than somebody you know. Is it possible that some to a lot of cases are ending with the person getting their own gun used on them? Of course I have no stats on that. It's just a question.

[NorthernSpy]

15. hmmm...

You wrote:

It's a lot easier to shoot a stranger than somebody you know.

I'm not sure whether this is true. A person might well have less concern for the life of a stranger, which suggests that if there were a choice between them, he would more readily sacrifice a stranger than a friend. But it also seems to me that a person would be far less likely to have a specific reason for wanting to kill a stranger in the first place -- and much more likely to have a reason for wanting to kill an acquaintance.*

The simple fact that a person would have more instances of contact with an acquaintance than with a stranger is part of why people are more likely to wind up killing those they know, but I doubt that's the entire reason.


* I suppose that it's plausible that a person would be more likely to shoot an acquaintance offensively, and relatively less likely to shoot an acquaintance defensively -- while being less likely to shoot a stranger offensively, and more likely to shoot a stranger defensively. But such a summary might muddy the waters by lumping together data describing very different patterns of gun use. For example, a single person who makes his living through armed robbery might account for a large number of instances of offensive gun use against both strangers and nonstrangers(and no lawful defensive uses); however, the average gun owner might use his gun defensively once or twice in his life, but he won't use it offensively even one time.

[slackmaster]

16. Training is essential to using ANY weapon for self-defense

A self-defense class taught by a good instructor will make you think and see the world in ways you probably never did before.

It's pure folly for most people to think they can acquire a gun or knife or any other kind of weapon, train themselves to hit an inanimate, stationary target with it, and be capable of using that weapon effectively against a live human who is attacking you.

If you are inclined to "freeze" when faced with a situation where use of deadly force is appropriate, you aren't properly trained and probably should not deploy the weapon for that purpose.

[Retired AF Dem]

17. This grandma had it in her

http://www.wkyt.com/Global/story.asp?S=2749566

[left15]

18. Once again, Brady is right

From Brady Website: "Despite claims by the National Rifle Association (NRA) that you need a gun in your home to protect yourself and your family, public health research demonstrates that the person most likely to shoot you or a family member with a gun already has the keys to your house."

[Retired AF Dem]

19. Yep most people that are killed know the attacker

I have seen news stories and have covered several murders of grand parents by grand children. I'm glad this grand mother didnt become a victim.

[slackmaster]

21. Sounds like both sides have a "one size fits none" solution

If the NRA actually does say that everybody needs a gun for self-protection, that's no more wrong than the Brady people saying that nobody needs one.

The only correct answer as far as I'm concerned is choice. Individuals must decide for themselves whether or not to keep a gun for self-defense.

[jody]

22. I'm pro-choice RKBA

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