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FatSlob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 10:37 AM
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As of right now...
It is 55 days, 12 hours, 20 minutes and some seconds until the expiration of the "assault weapons" ban. :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :grouphug: :grouphug: :grouphug:
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 10:38 AM
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1. 55 days, 12 hours, 20 minutes and some seconds...
...for sanity to prevail.
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FatSlob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 10:48 AM
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8. Could you pleae tell us how it will make a difference?
I'm waiting with interest.
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 10:58 AM
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11. Can You Please Tell US....
...how the world will be better without the ban? We're waiting with interest.
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FatSlob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 11:02 AM
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12. I asked first.
Please, no answering a question with a question.

I'll give you my personal answer, though. I'll be able to replace the stock on my rifle with an adjustable one, making it easier for my wife to shoot.

The world will not change at all with the expiration of the ban, as it only bans cosmetic features.
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 11:14 AM
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16. OK - Here's Your Answer
Edited on Mon Jul-19-04 11:15 AM by CO Liberal
The way I figure it - since the pro-gunners have been bitching about its existence and trying to get it repealed since Day One, it must be worth keeping.
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FatSlob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 11:18 AM
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17. In other words,
"If other people don't like it, then I should" Is that your sentiment? Do you have anything to add about freedom, crime, etc?
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 11:20 AM
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18. Nope
The AWB has nothing to do with freedom. Just because a few pro-gunners get their panties in a bunch because they can't buy what they want really doesn't matter to the majority of people in this world.
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Sandpiper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 11:28 AM
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19. 70% of Americans support the AWB
Its biggest opponents are the wannabe Rambos.

Telling, isn't it?
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FatSlob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 11:30 AM
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21. I don't know about that.
I want it to expire so that I can put an adjustable stock on my rifle so my wife can better use it.
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FatSlob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 11:29 AM
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20. So, will the expiration
have any effect on anything? What negative consequences do you see?
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 11:33 AM
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22. I See More Crimes and Killings Committed.....
...with guns with what you call "cosmetic features".
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 11:39 AM
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23. Statistically speaking you are probably right
When the prices come down and the proportion of firearms in circulation that have evil features relative to all firearms increases.

But what really matters is whether or not the overall rate of violent crimes committed with firearms will be affected. I don't believe it will.
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FatSlob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 11:49 AM
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24. Which "cosmetic features"
Will cause more killings?
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 11:54 AM
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25. Whichever Ones...
...you pro-gunners keep saying are immaterial.
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FatSlob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 12:05 PM
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26. I'll give you a list.
Pick out which ones will cause more killing.

Flash-reducer
Bayonet/bipod lug
Adjustable stock
Threads on bbl.
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FatSlob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 11:22 AM
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33. Any response?
<chirp chirp>
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 11:47 AM
Response to Reply #33
35. It's Hard to Say
But I can't see any good coming out of letting the ban expire.
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FatSlob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 02:20 PM
Response to Reply #35
39. Can you see any bad?
What, specifically, will be the negative consequences of building rifles with the prohibited parts?
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 03:22 PM
Response to Reply #39
40. I Don't Know Enough...
...about the mechanics of gun construction to respond. All I know is that any law that's hated by so many pro-gunners has to be a good one.
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FatSlob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 03:50 PM
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45. I would be happy to educate you on the issue.
Wayne, you are far too intelligent to be using that as the basis for your opinion. Perhaps you should take a neutral stance until you know more. From experience, I can say that a flash reducer really doesn't hide anything, it redirects it. In my case, (using a borrowed preban) it came in handy to prevent a fire (firing prone over dead grass...directed the blast away from the ground). A bayonet/bipod lug really does not affect me or folks I know too much, but if I wanted to do some long range shooting without sandbags, it might come in handy to mount a bipod. A threaded barrel aids in changing between flash reducers and muzzle brakes, and is a convenience factor more than anythig. Adjustable stocks make it so that tall folks and short folks can share the same rifles by adjusting the length of the stock to fit the individual. Not one of the above features is "evil". Having them on rifles will have no negative effect. The reason that the ban is so hated, is that it is a completely unreasonable infringement. The ban serves no purpose at all.
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 04:31 PM
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49. Thanks, But I Have No Interest....
...in learning about gun mechanics. It's a subject that would have about as much impact to my life as the sex lives of snails on the floor of the Meditteranian Sea.

You may find it fascinating, but I don't. When you pro-gunners start talking about things like flash reducers and magazines, all I hear is "blah, blah, blah".

All I know is this - anything that assholes like Wayne LaPierre and Ted Nugent want to see expire, I think should be renewed and strengthened.
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FatSlob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 06:27 PM
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50. The old "enemy of my enemy" tact?
I thought you'd do better than that. I really thought that you would be able to look at the issue with some objectivity.
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mbnd45 Donating Member (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 03:12 PM
Response to Reply #25
27. look here COLIB->
Edited on Mon Jul-19-04 03:13 PM by mbnd45
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Click on the link. It explains how the AWB is B.S.
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 03:31 PM
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42. The Only B.S. I Keep Seeing....
...is the B.S. generated by a few mindless pro-gunners.

Like the imbeciles I have to deal with here in Colorado.
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RoeBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 08:00 AM
Response to Reply #25
32. Since you give no actual reason to...
...extend the AWB can I assume that the only reason you support it is because it will make the next step of gun banning easier?
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Jack_DeLeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 03:24 PM
Response to Reply #22
28. So whats the difference?
Do you somehow think that being killed by a rifle that has a bayonet lug, flash supressor, and collapsable stock is worse than being killed by a rifle without those?
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Wild Bill Donating Member (104 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 10:39 AM
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2. cool
We should have a daily countdown thread.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 10:42 AM
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3. Why is that a good thing?
Who are you going to shoot?
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Sandpiper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 10:45 AM
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5. Because more guns make us more safer
Haven't you read any of Mary Rosh's "research?"
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FatSlob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 10:47 AM
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6. Because I'll be able to mount an adjustable stock on my rifle.
This will make it easier for my wife to shoot. I'll also be able to buy newly manufactured full-capacity magazines so that I won't have to reload as often when I visit the Gun Club. It will also be the end of one of the dumbest laws in history.
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Sandpiper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 10:50 AM
Response to Reply #6
10. delete
Edited on Mon Jul-19-04 10:58 AM by Sandpiper


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Sandpiper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 10:44 AM
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4. Gun nuts everywhere
are counting down to their collective orgasm.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 07:51 AM
Response to Reply #4
31. Amazing isn't it.....
The AWB was "only cosmetic" and other LIES...
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Goldmund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 10:48 AM
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7. Whooptie-fuckin-doo.
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FatSlob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 10:49 AM
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9. I like you. (great sig line)
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Goldmund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 11:07 AM
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13. You know where it's from, right?
If not, I heartily recommend the Ali G show.
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FatSlob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 11:08 AM
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14. The what?
Where do I find it?
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Goldmund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 11:12 AM
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15. It's on HBO
Sundays at 10:30 PM. Only a half hour long, last night he started a new season. It's the only TV show I watch. He's super-intelligent and loves to bust on conservatives, and somehow gets access to characters like Newt Gingrich and Donald Trump.

http://www.hbo.com/alig/?ntrack_para1=leftnav_category0...
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gatlingforme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 07:48 AM
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29. I think it's hysterical. he's sooo funny. great show.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 07:50 AM
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30. And if it sunsets
we'll start again next Congress....
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OpSomBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 11:45 AM
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34. With even less support when people realize that the AWB did nothing.
By all means, go for it.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 11:47 AM
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36. Gee, op...if it did nothing
there wouldn't be all these trigger-happy pinheads beating their meat all over the web....

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OpSomBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 11:50 AM
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37. You're absloutely right.
Law-abiding gun owners' excitement over the sunset of this worthless law is certainly proof of the law's effectiveness against gun crime.

That makes perfect logical sense.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 12:17 PM
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38. Yup....and the gun lobby scuttling
their disgraceful "save us from lawsuits" bill shows what a pantload this "it does nothing" argument REALLY is....
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OpSomBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 03:25 PM
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41. You're right, gun makers should be liable for crime.
Edited on Tue Jul-20-04 03:26 PM by OpSomBlood
That's fantastic. And people wonder why the Republicans' "Democrats love frivolous lawsuits" card is so effective.

The "disgraceful" rider clearly stated that the manufacturers would still be liable for mechanical defects resulting in injury, as well they should. The immunity was from liability in instances where the gun was used illegally.

Using your logic, if someone buys a Ford, gets drunk and plows over a bunch of pedestrians, you think that Ford should be held liable. It's the exact same concept.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 03:48 PM
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44. So far it's going over like a lead balloon...
against Edwards, and the "evil trial lawyer" crap is pretty much a flop. But count on our "pro gun democrats" to regurgitate mindless right wing talking points whenever possible.

"It's the exact same concept"
Yeah, surrrrrrre....now go snivel about how unfair it is the scumbags in the gun industry are getting sued to somebody who gives a crap. It sure ain'y me.
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OpSomBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 04:04 PM
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47. Suing a gun maker for someone else's criminal misuse is frivolous.
Like I said, you don't sue Ford when someone drives drunk and kills someone. You don't sue Anheuser-Busch when someone gets drunk and beats their wife. You don't sue Louisville Slugger when someone uses a baseball bat to crack a skull open.

But people like you, who believe otherwise, are a pretty good reason why the "evil trial laywer crap" sticks.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 04:10 PM
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48. Sez the gun industry. Judges disagree....
Edited on Tue Jul-20-04 04:10 PM by MrBenchley
But then it's hilarious to hear that Chicago and New York City are engaged in "frivolity"....

"But people like you, who believe otherwise, are a pretty good reason why the "evil trial laywer crap" sticks"
With who...the sort of fuckwit who yells "ditto" to the flabby junkie on the radio?
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Wild Bill Donating Member (104 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 03:57 PM
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46. you going have enough pants to last 54 more days? n/t
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