NRA clout is outgunning Feinstein-Assault weapons ban renewal in doubt

[Township75]

Washington -- Sen. Dianne Feinstein knows the odds are increasingly daunting as she tries to win congressional renewal of her 10-year-old assault weapons ban before it expires Sept. 13, and she warns that if the law lapses "you can expect the market to become flooded'' with such guns as AK-47s and Uzis.

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Feinstein is searching for another piece of legislation to serve as a vehicle for her amendment, which bans the manufacture and sale of 19 types of semiautomatic weapons and ammunition clips of more than 10 rounds. But there are only about 20 legislative days left in Congress before Sept. 13, and even if the bill passes the Senate, the House Republican leadership has said it won't allow the renewal to come up for a floor vote.

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Feinstein said the percentage of assault weapons used in crimes has fallen by two-thirds since the legislation took effect. Opponents, using a separate set of statistics, say such weapons were used in 2 percent of violent crimes before 1994, a figure that has remained constant.

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"Right is on our side. Public opinion is on our side. It's only the sheer power of the gun lobby that stands in the way,'' Feinstein said.

Ummm,yeah right. If public opinion were on your side, you would be able to blow-away the gun lobby...but instead, you can't. I am looking forward to the end of this worthless POS bill...and buying a nice AR15 or other AW}(

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/06/28/MNGQK7D4RU1.DTL

[Not Me]

1. Kerry ought to hold 10Mil aside to make this a parting shot

at the end of the campaign.

[FeebMaster]

2. There's a winning strategy.

Announce how much more gun control you want passed right before the election. Hahah.

[MrBenchley]

6. Yeah, feeb, it's a win-win strategy...

[Sandpiper]

8. It is win-win

We leave it to the wingnuts to explain why Uzis and AK-47 need to be on the market.

[slackmaster]

9. Uzis and AKs never left the market

I hate to be the one to break this to you, but ban-compliant (a.k.a. "post-ban") versions of both have been available since the ban went into effect in 1994.

[OpSomBlood]

33. It gets old after a while, doesn't it?

Telling the same people over and over again how they are willingly misrepresenting what the AWB covers?

It's almost as if they want people to think that it applies to AK-47's and Uzis. Couldn't be.

[MrBenchley]

10. Exactly so...

Either the GOP falls in behind Democratic leadership and supports an issue that 70% of voters agree with...or they're revealed as the extremist loons we claim they are.

[MrBenchley]

5. Sounds good to me...

Nothing shows what extremist scum the GOP really are than this issue....

[alwynsw]

3. I can see the blood in the streets now! OMYGOD!

The current streams of innocent blood will turn to rushing cataracts before our very eyes on 9/14.

The sky is falling!

<sarcasm off>

[MrBenchley]

21. Gee, we got 30,000 dead a year now

another 60,000-75,000 a year wounded...

One wonders how much of other people's blood the "enthusiasts" among us are prepared to have spilled....

[Sandpiper]

24. But but but

Those numbers can't possibly be because of the millions of guns we already have.

More guns make us safer!

Mary Rosh said so!

[MrBenchley]

25. LOL!

You'll notice that the same people claiming that a prop gun in a photo op is a menace below are pretending that letting any whacko or thug wander out of a store with a workingweapon does not present a menace.

[OpSomBlood]

34. My definition of a "whacko"...

...is a person who can have someone point a rifle at them with their finger on the trigger and a magazine in and not be concerned...because it's an "unloaded prop."

[DoNotRefill]

35. too bad that 2/3 of that 30,000 figure....

is from suicides. You got a problem with people having the right to die?

[MrBenchley]

4. Yeah, it's amazing what blood money for scumbags can do....

"If public opinion were on your side, you would be able to blow-away the gun lobby"
Gee, town...why do you suppose DeLay is fighting to keep this from coming to a vote?

"I am looking forward to the end of this worthless POS bill...and buying a nice AR15"
Gee, and weren't the trigger happy amongst us telling us that the AWB didn't keep assault weapons off the market. Guess we can see what a pantload THAT statement was.....

[alwynsw]

11. Ummmm. Your ignorance is showing - AGAIN

If'n ya wanna pay the taxes, you can buy a nice fully auto AW right now. When the AWB sunsets, yocan still but a nice AW - if you want to pay the taxes. (taxes = license fees) Of course, that's provided you can pass the background check.

The only difference beteen a pre-ban (nice) and post-ban (not so nice, but just as deadly) AR-15 is purely cosmetic, but then you've known and ignored that since I first met you on this board. Hi-cap mags have been and are still readily available for purchase legally throughtout the U.S. Believe me on this if you never believe anything else I write: jobbers and wholesalers manufactured or imported sufficient quantities of hi-cap mags before the AWB went into effect to keep those of us who hate reloading at the range happy for decades to come.

G'head, PM me and I'll give you at least a dozen online LEGAL outlets for hi-cap mags. Ya gotta PM me because the rules prohibit advertising of retail outlets on the open threads.

[DoverFrank]

16. Full auto?

Are you sure? I have been searching gun sites and message boards and have never seen any full auto assault weapons for sale or even being discussed other than in the hypothetical.

[FeebMaster]

22. It's an expensive hobby.

Especially since Reagan froze the civilian supply of machine guns.

[alwynsw]

23. Yup. They're out there.

I sold my last full auto, an M-16 a few years back to a Class 3 dealer.

The ones I really like are the HK 91, 93, and 95. The trigger group is interchangeable, so you just license it. Shift it from one to the other and VOILA! you have a different full-auto toy to play with!

[MrBenchley]

18. What's showing is the RKBA crowd's dishonesty --AGAIN

But hey, who is surprised by that?

"The only difference beteen a pre-ban (nice) and post-ban (not so nice, but just as deadly) AR-15 is purely cosmetic"
Better tell town, then...he seems to think he's being deprived of one now....

Of course, the gun lobby itself showed what a pantload that "it';s only cosmetic" claim REALLY was.

[Township75]

37. What's showing is the anti RKBA crowd's incompetence

"Better tell town, then...he seems to think he's being deprived of one now...."

I haven't avoided purchasing one due to cosmetics, but rather price...and that will be changing shortly.

After the ban, what type of AW are you going to buy bench?

[Township75]

26. It is amazing what blood money would do for scumbags...

if the anti gun scumbags had any money.


"Gee, town...why do you suppose DeLay is fighting to keep this from coming to a vote?"
Gee, bench, because maybe only 15 members of congress want it to pass. If there really were public pressure to get a vote on it, there would be a vote on it.

"Gee, and weren't the trigger happy amongst us telling us that the AWB didn't keep assault weapons off the market. Guess we can see what a pantload THAT statement was..... "

They sure were and still are. Maybe someday you will recognize that not everyone here makes a huge salary (like me), and is excited to know the prices of such fine firearms will soon become more affordable to me.

ps - it is good to see you using words like "pantload" again...I hope to see "cry me a friggen river" soon too...could you do it once, just for me bench:D

[slackmaster]

7. DiFi is a smart lady (Updated with links for legal Uzis and AKs)

I think she knows damn well the Uzis and AKs never left the market.

This has become an emotional, egoistic issue for her. What a shame to see her sell her party down the river over this:



Here's some real information on pre-ban vs. post-ban semiautomatic AK clones:

http://www.ak-47.net/legal/preban.html

And some information on building a legal post-ban Uzi:

http://www.danddsales.com/firearms.htm

I hope that clears up any misunderstandings about availability of legal semiautomatic Uzis and AKs under the assault weapons "ban".

[MrBenchley]

12. Yeah, and the 2nd amendment caucus are far right dimwits

and dishonest as shit....

But then so are those who pretend that THIS



is the sum total of the issue.

"I think she knows damn well the Uzis and AKs never left the market."
You ought to tell town...he evidently thinks that too....

[FeebMaster]

14. But that is pretty much the sum total of the issue. (nt)

[MrBenchley]

19. underwhelming knowledge of feeb

[FeebMaster]

20. Whatever that's supposed to mean. (nt)

[alwynsw]

13. She wants the ban because she already has her own AW.

on edit: See! I can post irrelevant photos, too!

[slackmaster]

15. That woman to her left and behind sure looks concerned

I would be too if someone was pointing a loaded weapon in an unsafe direction with her finger on the trigger like that.

[FeebMaster]

17. Especially with that huge drum magazine.

What's that hold 75 rounds? She could mow down everyone in the room in a matter of seconds, firing from the hip of course.

[headzilla97]

31. to mow the whole crowd down

she would have to pull the trigger pretty fast

[FeebMaster]

32. I don't know. I hear when you spray fire these things from

the hip, they're pretty deadly.

[Township75]

27. It appears to me as if that woman is saying

"Damn, that is one fine looking AW! I better run to the gun store and get one before they are banned!"

[slackmaster]

28. You can get an AK with no bayo lug or an Uzi with a fixed stock now,

And upgrade to a more standard configuration later, or you can wait until mid-September and get whatever you want.

Choice is always good.

[Township75]

29. I'll wait until September...

I intend to graduate in July, and receive a large pay increase soon after to support my blood money pantload rubbish gun fetish:evilgrin:

[MrBenchley]

30. Amazing, isn't it?

New day, same old dishonest right wing crap from the RKBA crowd...

[OpSomBlood]

36. You're right, that's not a picture of Dianne Feinstein.

It's all an illusion. The fucking Matrix.

[Wickerman]

38. Locking

seriously, all you gun foes and fans I am going to be the big bad authoritarian and start locking these threads. This is Democratic Underground - I understand Sen Feinstein causes you heartburn she is still a Democrat - and actually pretty damn decent despite what you folks would consider a liability in the RKBAs arena.

We all know she handled the weapon wrong. Let it go. It will be healthy for you. The point was made in the first 50 or 60 posts on it.

From here on out posts of such will result in deletion of the post or lock of the thread as inflammatory.

Remember, its D-e-m-o-c-r-a-t-i-c U-n-d-e-r-g-r-o-u-n-d, lets start bitching about someone who really deserves it - like, say, Bush.