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Township75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 03:54 PM
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New Mexico Homicide rate drops
Homicide rate drops

City has seen fewer crimes, officials say

By Iliana Limón
Tribune Reporter

The city's homicide rate dropped 56 percent compared to about this time last year, while overall crime within the city fell 2 percent, according to Albuquerque Police Department statistics released today.

The department investigated 25 homicides from January 1 to June 30 last year, compared with 11 homicides so far this year. City officials released the recent crime statistics in a late-morning press conference today on the steps of the Police Department's Downtown office.

Mayor Martin Chavez lauded the homicide unit's 89 percent success rate of solving crimes, which exceeds the national clearance rate of 62 percent.

"Basically, what it says is, if you commit a homicide in Albuquerque, you will get caught," Chavez said.

Full story is here:
http://www.abqtrib.com/archives/news04/061504_news_stats.shtml

Once again, "the streets will be filled with blood warning" from the anti gunners is shown to be complete bullshit.

Also, note that Democratic gov Bill Richardson passed the CCW law. WOOOOHOOO!

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TX-RAT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 04:04 PM
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1. When did NM issue CCWs?
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Township75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 04:07 PM
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2. I believe...
in late 2002 or in 2003.

as I recall it, it was passed in early or middle of 2002, but there were several challenges to the CCW so not until the supreme court of NM shut down the anti's did they begin to issue permits.
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 04:41 PM
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3. Then It's Too Early To Judge Its Success
It usually takes a few years to collect and analyze that type of data. Unless you're John Lott/Mary Rosh, and just make shit up.
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TX-RAT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 04:44 PM
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4. Kinda what i was hinting at.
When was the first one issued, and how many have been issued.
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JayS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 05:51 PM
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5. New Mexico has been pretty innovative in its approach to...
...gun control and crime. It sounds like the Governor there has a good head on his shoulders.


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Even before a formal evaluation was completed, Boston's Operation Ceasefire was hailed in the media as an unprecedented success. Other major cities started calling and visiting Boston in the hope of replicating its miracle. At the same time, the Department of Justice sought to replicate the process Boston used to achieve significant reductions in youth homicide. The replication was called SACSI. The SACSI sites were funded in two phases. The first phase was funded in 1998 and included: Indianapolis, Indiana; Memphis, Tennessee; New Haven, Connecticut; Portland, Oregon; and Winston-Salem, North Carolina. The second phase was funded in 2000 and included: Albuquerque, New Mexico; Atlanta, Georgia; Detroit, Michigan; Rochester, New York; and St. Louis, Missouri.

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The Boston Model Spreads
In 1998, the Department of Justice replicated the process applied in the Boston Gun Project in five cities. Under the leadership of the U.S. Attorney and the assistance of a funded research partner, the Strategic Approaches to Community Safety Initiative (SACSI) was launched in Indianapolis, Indiana; Winston-Salem, North Carolina; Memphis, Tennessee; Portland, Oregon; and New Haven, Connecticut. SACSI was expanded to five additional cities in 2000 to include Albuquerque, New Mexico; St. Louis, Illinois; Detroit, Michigan; Atlanta, Georgia; and Rochester, New York. A cross-site evaluation and individual site reports should be complete and available in 2002.

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NEW MEXICO Regents of The University of New Mexico Albuquerque NM 150,000.00
New Mexico Sheriffs and Police Association Albuquerque NM 170,000.00
320,000.00


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RoadRunner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 07:45 PM
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12. Went into effect in January, 2004
but very few have been issued because there is a shortage of instructors to teach the safety course, according to the local papers.

The New Mexico law was signed in 2001, but only went into effect this year due to a court challenge.

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T Town Jake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 06:40 PM
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6. Not only is Gov. Richardson...
...a Democrat, the legislature that passed the CCW law have Democratic majorities. Which is exactly what we would have on the national level if our Party quit carrying those slop buckets for the gun control crowd.
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JayS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 06:42 PM
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7. Isn't he a possible VP pick? I'm starting to like this guy. n/t
n/t
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TexasMexican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 09:06 PM
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8. Bill Richardson is a good guy...
and he has experience. The UN, DOE, and now Governor of New Mexico.

Would definately help with the Hispanic vote.
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T Town Jake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 10:08 PM
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9. Yes, and I think...
...he would make a fantastic VP pick. I hope he gets the nod. And if he does I look forward to supporting the Richardson for President campaign in 2012, after President Kerry has had his two terms.
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LibLabUK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 10:16 PM
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10. Isn't it a bit rash to say...
Edited on Wed Jun-16-04 10:18 PM by LibLabUK
the homicide rate for a whole state has fallen based on 6 month statistics from one city (is the drop in the number of homicides even statistically significant?), especially when the article quoted doesn't even mention state-wide crime statistics?

Also...

Chavez said increasing the number of police officers in Albuquerque to at least 937, granting raises and the department's overall budget helped drive down the crime statistics. He also credited a focus on community-oriented policing, a style favored by Police Chief Gilbert Gallegos which involves officers working more closely with neighborhoods to prevent crime.

While Chavez and Gallegos admit homicides are among the most difficult crimes to prevent because they are immensely unpredictable, they said renewed focus on domestic violence and gangs have made a difference.


There is no mention of CCW in the article, and CCW recieves no credit from the Police chief for having any effect on the decrease in crime rate in Alberqueque.
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Township75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 07:48 AM
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11. What you say is true...
first off, for this comment:

"There is no mention of CCW in the article, and CCW recieves no credit from the Police chief for having any effect on the decrease in crime rate in Alberqueque."

I agree, but that doesn't prove CCW had anything or nothing to do with it. I doubt they have done any analysis as far as the statistical impact of CCW. Also, reading all the comments from the police chief, it appears to me he is really touting his office's work to help get money. Fine with me if cops get more money.

As far as making conclusions, I didn't post this article to offer proof that CCW makes the difference. Rather, I posted it because the standard Brady Bunch of Losers Campaign always states that passing CCWs will lead to childrens' blood flowing in the streets, and other awful things. Clearly, that hasn't happened yet. Rather, there is less blood. I am not suggesting CCW is the cause, but there are more law abiding citizens carrying now in the city, and still the homicide rate is down. Doesn't help the anti CCW arguement, and should make one wonder why they would fight against it.

Now, one can certainly suggest that it just hasn't happened yet. I imagine in the event that homicides go up, and there is nothing offered relating it to CCW holders, we will still here about how the introduction of CCWs is responsible.
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