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TX-RAT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 01:36 PM
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CCW recipients
How has your life changed since you received your CCW?
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 01:44 PM
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1. I'll let you know if they renew it this month!
:-)
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mosin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 01:45 PM
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2. No.
I carried for years before I received an Ohio license. Ohio had an affirmative defense statute that allowed one to prove need after the fact to a judge or jury. I figured if I needed it badly enough to use it, I could prove that I needed it. That was a big reason I've never had a speeding ticket.
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mosin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 01:47 PM
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3. I should add...
that I've had a Florida CWL for several years that is good in KY, TX, and most of the other states I visit.
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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 09:15 PM
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13. That was a big reason I've never had a speeding ticket.
Forgive ne, but am I reading this correctly? The reason why you have never received a speeding ticket is because you carry? So, uh, the ticket gets dismissed after the judge gives you time for pulling your weapon on a cop who would dare ticket you? :P I think I know what you mean, but clear that up for me if you can - I think its an interesting point. :hi:
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mosin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 10:54 PM
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14. The reverse
I meant the reverse. :) Carrying in Ohio pursuant to the affirmative defense -- meaning I could prove my justification after being arrested and prosecuted -- I had added incentive to not speed, or have a busted taillight, or have a dirty license plate, or do anything that could get me pulled over.
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TX-RAT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 09:51 AM
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15. question
Had you been pulled over for a busted tail light and a weapon was found would you have been prosecuted?
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FeebMaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 12:49 PM
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23. Wasn't that implied by his first post? (nt)
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TX-RAT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 01:13 PM
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24. I guess my question is
Is caring a concealed weapon without a permit illegal in Ohio.
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FeebMaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 01:22 PM
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25. There's only two states where it's legal
and Ohio isn't one of them.
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TX-RAT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 01:32 PM
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26. Then he was a criminal for years before he was legal?
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FeebMaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 01:46 PM
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28. That's pretty much what he said in the first post. (nt)
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mosin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 07:15 PM
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43. Who knows?
I was not a criminal because there was never a prosecution, and there was no way to tell if you were committing a felony without being prosecuted. The way the old statute was written terribly vague. It essentially said that you can't a concealed weapon, however, you are not guilty of illegally carrying a concealed weapon if you have a reason to carry such as would justify a prudent person in going armed. It was up to a police officer, a prosecutor, a grand jury, and a judge/jury to decide whether one had a good reason to carry.
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mosin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 07:17 PM
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44. Probably
Unless my squeaky clean record, ties to the community, and undeniable charm :) convinced the LEO or prosecutor that I was justified in carrying.
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JustFiveMoreMinutes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 06:39 PM
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4. Question too for CCW?
From a CA Gunowners site:

""GOOD CAUSE (See Bottom of page for examples)

Good Cause is the set of circumstances which distinguishes the applicant from the mainstream and causes him or her to be placed in harm's way. Good cause is NOT a simple fear for one's safety. Applicants applying because of business reasons will be required to demonstrate they are in active, legitimate business. Employees applying because of job duties must provide validation of those duties. Persons applying because of threats or personal protection needs must submit copies of police reports, restraining orders or other documentation substantiating their concerns.""

Can I ask any CCWs to share what their documented good cause was that allowed them to receive their CCW?

(Please note, I'm not a flamer.. don't care that you have a gun.. or even carry it concealed. I'm really curious as what regular people say on these applications and how critically they are looked at by the ones approving the license. Thanks in advance!)
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FeebMaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 06:41 PM
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5. Stuff like
"I'm a US Senator" probably works. Or, "I made $20 million for my last movie."
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JustFiveMoreMinutes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 06:44 PM
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6. Hey in CA BOTH are possible! <n/t>
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mosin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 06:50 PM
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7. "Good cause"
"Good cause" is not an issue in the 35 shall-issue states -- or in the 2 states that do not require permits. It is only an issue in the 9 states, including California, which may or may not issue permits depending on who you are, who you know, and what your reason is. Most of the shall-issue states don't ask for a reason. If they do ask, putting "personal protection," "all lawful purposes," or something along those lines is satisfactory -- since the answer doesn't really matter. All that matters in the shall-issue states is that you meet any training requirements and pass the requisite background checks.

In the may-issue states, factors such as running a business and making large cash deposits or receiving threats on your life are typically required. In some states, counties, and cities -- e.g., NJ, NYC, Hawaii, LA -- it is next to impossible to get a permit unless you are somebody or know somebody.
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JustFiveMoreMinutes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 06:56 PM
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8. Thanks mosin!
I'm still interested in any 'good causes' from anyone in any states that require them.

" .. All that matters in the shall-issue states is that you meet any training requirements and pass the requisite background checks..."

Training requirements? That's a very good start, but are these requirements across all the states, selective, and/or rigidly enforced?

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mosin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 07:52 PM
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11. Training requirements
Training requirements run the gamut from non-existent (IN, PA) to basic (FL) to reasonable (most states require somewhere between a half-day to a full-day class) to substantial (OH, 12 hours, and AZ, 16 hours). Some states certify trainers themselves; some allow any NRA-certified instructors to give classes. Typically the instructors have to provide a certificate attesting to the completion of the training. Providing fraudulent certifications is a criminal offense, so fraud is rare.

I'm not an expert in what "good cause" is acceptable in the nine may-issue states (CA, HA, IA, NY, NJ, MD, MA, DE, RI). In many cases, such as CA and NY, it varies widely between counties.
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JustFiveMoreMinutes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 11:12 AM
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17. Responsible gun ownership
Okay, I know that phrase is as hollow as 'personal responsibility' to many, but it is good that at least the attempt is being made to ensure some training in most of the states. But I'm sure we'd all agree that even if it's not a State Requirement, it should be a Personal requirement. <wishful thinking.. hope springs eternal.. insert cliche here>



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DoNotRefill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 07:31 PM
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9. It's made me less nervous....
about carrying all the time.

Other than that, it hasn't changed anything.
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TX-RAT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 09:54 AM
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16. Interesting
Are you saying you carried before receiving your CCW?
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JustFiveMoreMinutes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 11:13 AM
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18. What is the fine for carrying without a CCW/
... knowing it's probably different in diff states & counties.

But just 'in general'?
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TX-RAT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 11:17 AM
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19. would vary from stat to state
That is a arrest-able offense in TX. Could go beyond a fine
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JustFiveMoreMinutes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 11:37 AM
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20. Okay, slowly backing away...
Y'know it's ALWAYS the minority within groups that give the entire group a bad name (and that is NOT fair...)

But it really is saddening that some of the very people who are so adamant about gun-ownership & carrying them concealed will circumvent the system (training & licensing) to save a little bit of time or money.

Oh well if we lived in a perfect world.....

<BTW don't misconstrue the above statement.. believe me if I felt in immediate danger and had a definite need for that type of protection, I'd risk the fine/arrest over letting myself be an easy target. I am speaking more about the people who just bypass the system for no necessary reason>
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mosin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 07:27 PM
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45. Circumventing the system
I don't take any offense at your remarks, but I carried in Ohio without with an Ohio license to carry at a time when no licenses were available in Ohio. I wasn't circumventing the system. I already had licenses from PA and FL that allowed me to legally carry in over 20 states, but they weren't recognized in Ohio. I applied for an Ohio license the first day licenses became available, April 8, 2004. I had the license in hand a week later. I've added NH too, so I can legally carry in 29 states.
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JustFiveMoreMinutes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 08:08 PM
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46. Hi mosin!
I realize after I posted my remarks that you had already admitted to doing this! And I've read your posts and think I know enough about you (first impression wise) not to worry so much about you.

You've shown you're serious and responsible and as you pointed out, HAD prior CCWs and as you later pretty much said 'everything is "legal" until you get caught' <paraphrased friendly>

I of course would wonder why you FELT the need to carry without waiting but hey, I drove a few times by myself with only my learner's permit, so nobody is perfect I guess.

We really should keep our conversations and attitudes to those who flagrantly, frequently, and without ANY regard to laws & ordinances and not worry about the few times we've all 'called in sick to work when we weren't really that sick'!


:grouphug:
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DoNotRefill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 01:33 PM
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27. Yup....an unjust law is no law at all.
"better tried by 12 than carried by 6".
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TX-RAT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 04:10 PM
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30. Whether you think its unjust doesn't matter.
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DoNotRefill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 04:27 PM
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33. sure it does...
when I think it's unjust, and the officers think it's unjust. Ever hear of Officer Discretion? I'm sure you have....
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TX-RAT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 04:32 PM
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36. Ever hear of selective enforcement? I have
Extremely bad practice.
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DoNotRefill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 03:55 PM
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29. BTW, TX-RAT...
as I'm sure you know, "some animals are more equal than others." When I carried without a permit, technically it might have been illegal (that's debatable) but there's no way in hell a cop would have cited me for it unless I was also caught violating a corpse while driving drunk, too.
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TX-RAT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 04:14 PM
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31. "some animals are more equal than others."
You'll have to explain that one to me.

(When I carried without a permit, technically it might have been illegal (that's debatable) )
It either was or it wasn't

And as for the rest of your post, I don't have a clue what you mean by that.
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DoNotRefill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 04:25 PM
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32. Hint: I was working for the government at the time....
Edited on Wed Jun-09-04 04:26 PM by DoNotRefill
in the Judicial Branch, to be specific.

When was the last time you saw a cop get a speeding ticket?
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TX-RAT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 04:29 PM
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35. I got one when i was a deputy.
Dps trooper gave it to me.
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DoNotRefill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 04:38 PM
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37. Really?
did you badge him?
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TX-RAT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 04:44 PM
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38. I was in uniform and in my patrol car on the interstate.
81 in a 70 pissed the Sheriff off big time. Didn't make me to happy either.
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DoNotRefill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 04:50 PM
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39. damn...
did your dept. and DPS have a feud running?

'round here, the trooper would have lost his job over something like that....not for issuing the ticket, mind you, but for threatening interdepartmental cooperation. I've personally seen folks fired for pulling that kind of crap....
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TX-RAT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 04:56 PM
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40. I was the one speeding.
Lets just say he was transfered. SO and the DPS got along well. PD was another story.
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DoNotRefill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 05:02 PM
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41. transferred to what, animal control?
eom
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TX-RAT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 05:03 PM
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42. I wish.
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DoNotRefill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 08:39 PM
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47. Sometimes, there is justice.
a local LEO that I know personally got into trouble for being a figurative cheesehead in this kind of situation. He was fired, and is now working as a MallNinja at the local mall. I have trouble keeping a straight face when I run into him.

If you give some people a badge, they begin to act badly. That's why I got out.
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Township75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 07:35 PM
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10. It makes carrying a gun and ammo more easy...
for example, in many states, one must separate the gun and ammo while transporting both of them...merely have an unloaded gun in the same compartment as a case of bullets is not good enough.

Now that I have a CCW, I don't have to worry about that, they can ride together.

I can also now legally carry my pistol when it is concealed, which I couldn't before.
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OpSomBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 08:13 PM
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12. Hasn't changed my life much.
I don't carry my Kahr very often. When I do, I'm glad I have it available.
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Hrumph Donating Member (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 12:11 PM
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21. I'm more uncomfortable a higher percentage of the time.
Carrying a concealed handgun is often a pain in the butt. Carrying one every day is, in effect, a lifestyle change. You have to dress differently and take your current status into account when deciding where you want to go and what you want to do.
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RoeBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 12:15 PM
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22. The sky is bluer...
...the air is fresher, water is purer, I walk with a spring in my step, sex is better (had to toss that one in), flowers smell better, my wife is prettier (and nags less), all of lifes pleasures are more pleasureable ever since I got my CCW.
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Haole316 Donating Member (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 04:27 PM
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34. hehehe....
carrying my popgun with me at all times has made my penis bigger!!!
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MrSandman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 12:17 PM
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48. Let me see...
I have moved to a rural area, gotten married, have five wonderful children, changed jobs twice...Life is good.

Would it have happened without a CHL? Yes.

Would I be happy without a CHL? Yes.

Since a CHL and weapon are available do I have a permit, train and carry? Yes. (I also carry a fire extinguisher, emergency communications equipment--2 meter radio--and first aid kits.)
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