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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 08:36 AM
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GUNS OF THE DAY--APRIL 7, 2004
As CO Liberal sez:
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 08:38 AM
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1. Man Shot Outside Arlington Nightclub (FL)
"Police are searching for a gunman who shot a man outside an Arlington nightclub early this morning.
Investigators are still gathering evidence near the Amnesia Club at University Boulevard and Arlington Road, where there was a robbery or attempted carjacking just after 3:30 a.m. One man was shot several times and was taken to Shands-Jacksonville Medical Center for treatment. "

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20040407...
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Superfly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 08:41 AM
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2. My gun of the day...
The GAU-8 Avenger (found in the A-10 Warthog)



Fires a bullet (penetrator) that weighs nearly a pound. This gun is also bigger than a VW Beetle.
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demsrule4life Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 09:05 AM
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3. And the first time that a plane was designed for the gun
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 09:06 AM
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5. That's SO pweshus...
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Superfly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 09:09 AM
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6. I knew you'd like it...
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 09:18 AM
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7. Here's MY Gun Of The Day


A pricing gun. It reminds me of when I worked as a clerk at the King's Supermarket in Morristown, NJ, and the AM/PM Mini-Mart in Henderson, NV.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 09:45 AM
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11. That'll be a lot more useful in Chimpy's mis-administration
than Fly's "big gun." (snicker)

Remember the Saturday Nite Live skit, with the lady marking things down?

P.S.: I've been to that King's many times....
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 10:20 AM
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13. When I Was a Kid, It Was a "Food Fair"
Edited on Wed Apr-07-04 10:22 AM by CO Liberal
But that chain went under back in the '60s.

King's is a yuppie supermarket, and markets to the tastes of the upwardly mobile. I don't know if they still do it, but they used to have "Singles Night" on Thursdays. Singles would go there to do their shopping, mingle with other singles, and then go to the nightclub down the street.....

BTW, the building across the street, which is now Town Hall, used to be the headquarters for Beneficial Finance, before they moved to that big facility outside Chester on US 206.

I grew up a few miles south of there, on Harter Road in Morris Township.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 10:24 AM
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14. Lived right around the corner from that supermarket
for about six years, before moving...

Morristown's a nice town being run into the ground by developers and the GOP...
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pnb Donating Member (959 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 01:32 PM
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33. Hee hee hee
I never thought I'd hear anything in Jersey and nice mentioned in the same sentence...LOL

I'm obviously a native New Yawka...
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 09:46 AM
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12. I spent many hours of youth wielding a traditional Garvey price marker
And hope I never have to see one of those POSs again.
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demsrule4life Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 10:27 AM
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15. Bar codes taking it completely over
they should be nothing more than musuem peices before long.
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 01:56 PM
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34. They're Still Being Used in Convenience Stores
And health food stores and small operations that don't want to invest in scanners.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 09:05 AM
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4. Teen sentenced for shooting at Pop Warner game (NY)
"A teenager who admitted shooting another teen during a fight near a youth football game in Syracuse will spend three and a half years in state prison.
Robert Smith, 18, of Syracuse was sentenced Tuesday after pleading guilty in February to criminal possession of a weapon.
Smith told police that he shot 17-year-old Daquan Sullivan in the buttocks with a .38-caliber handgun because he thought Sullivan was going to stab him.
The shooting occurred as two gangs fought at halftime of a Syracuse Pop Warner game between teams of 13- to 15-year-old players while teams with five- and six-year-olds played a flag football game nearby."

http://www.capitalnews9.com/content/top_stories/default...

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RoeBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 11:03 AM
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19. Thank you for reminding us all...
...why we, the honest law abiding citizen, should carry our concealed weapons where ever we go. You just never know where trouble will develope.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 01:21 PM
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29. Yeah, who doesn't want a Pop Warner gunfight?
roe, you never fail to amuse and disgust...
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RoeBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 01:30 PM
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32. Yes, of course, a gunfight...
...is exactly what I wanted.

Speaking of 'amuse and disgust'.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 02:00 PM
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35. Yeah, a gunfight...
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TX-RAT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 02:01 PM
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36. How would you having a weapon change those events?
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 10:28 AM
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16. Landowners stress pit is off-limits to target shooting in Belmont (NH)
Nothing to fear from America's "responsible" gun owners...in a pig's eye...

"BELMONT Owners of a sandpit which is adjacent to an apartment complex are stressing that the pit is off-limits to target shooting following a recent incident of bullets flying close to the complexs playground while children were around.
Belmont police, meanwhile, have concluded their investigation into the incident in which the parent of one child fears that her daughter might have been grazed by a bullet.
Belmont Police Cpl. William Wright said Tuesday that subsequent investigation shows no compelling evidence to support that the young girl was hit by a bullet.
"We couldnt link the actual injury to the shooting incident," said Wright."

http://www.citizen.com/news2004/April2004/April_07/belm...

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OpSomBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 10:33 AM
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17. Judging by your use of quotation marks....
...is it your opinion that there's no such thing as a responsible gun owner?
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Wubbman Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 04:55 PM
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43. Ha ha ha, I can't believe you asked Mr. B that!-nt
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 10:52 AM
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18. Shooting suspect pleads innocent (OH)
Another family made safer with guns...NOT!

"COSHOCTON -- Donald E. "D.J." Jones III, indicted in connection with shooting two relatives at their home March 13 pleaded innocent to eight felony counts Tuesday in Coshocton County Common Pleas Court.
Jones, 20, formerly of 803 Kenilworth Ave., pleaded innocent to aggravated murder, attempted aggravated murder and six other felony charges. The charges are in connection with the double shooting of his uncle, Shane Layland, and his grandmother, Roberta Cruxton, at their Kenilworth Avenue home, authorities said.
Layland died several hours after the shooting. Cruxton was released from The Ohio State University Medical Center March 19. "

http://www.coshoctontribune.com/news/stories/20040407/l...
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OpSomBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 11:06 AM
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20. Question...
Can I start a "Car of the Day" thread to outline all of the daily deaths resulting from irresponsible driving?

This seems rather morbid.
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FeebMaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 11:11 AM
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22. Knock yourself out. (nt)
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 11:08 AM
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21. Alcorn County teen killed in hunting mishap (MS)
"GLEN, Miss. - An Alcorn County 16-year-old was killed Tuesday while on a turkey hunting trip.
Travis Eugene "T.J." White II, a sophomore at Alcorn Central High School, was killed when a friend's shotgun accidentally discharged, said Sheriff's Department investigator Houston Brown.
White was pronounced dead at Magnolia Regional Health Center."

http://www.sunherald.com/mld/sunherald/8376212.htm
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 11:16 AM
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23. Witnesses Identify Village Shooter Suspect In Lineup (TX)
"After the lineup, police charged Maloney with one count of aggravated robbery in connection with the shooting and carjacking of Julie Graves on March 3 in a Rice Village parking garage. She was wounded in the chest and survived.
Another lineup will be held Thursday with more witnesses to the murder of Helen Orman, 65, who was killed March 20 at a gas station, 2539 Bissonnet at Kirby, near Rice Village, as she vacuumed her vehicle. She was shot once in the head.
"We did attempt to talk to the man. He was uncooperative, combative, and showed absolutely no remorse whatsoever for any of the things he's been involved in," said Edward Gonzalez, with the Houston Police Homicide Department. "Beau Maloney was without money -- he basically had 30 cents to his name and he had a pistol that was fully loaded, so needless to say, all the elements were in place for him to act out again. So, we're glad we've got this guy off the streets."
Houston police said Maloney has a lengthy criminal record. He is wanted for various crimes in other states -- Florida, New Mexico, North Carolina and California. The warrants range from traffic violations to assaults to felony possession of ammunition."

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20040407...

And thanks to the GOP and the corrupt gun industry, he could have waltzed into a gun show in most states, including Texas, and bought guns without undergoing a background check...
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 11:28 AM
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24. Bereft Mom Pushes Gun Control Lawsuit (NM)
Good for her....

"A killer gunned down her young sons and now one mother is trying to use her personal tragedy to help create new laws to prevent the same thing happening to others.
"It is a mission to me because I don't see why this should ever happened to another family," Joan Shirley told Action 7 News.
Four years have passed since her 17-year-old son Kevin and two other teens were murdered.
The tragedy has now made its way to the nation's capital. Her story is the backbone of a federal lawsuit filed by the Brady Campaign, blaming the U.S. attorney general and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives for not fully banning semiautomatic weapons. Since 1994, the manufacture, sale and possession of semiautomatic weapons has been against the law, but the sale of specific parts is not. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=375&nci...
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 12:02 PM
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26. Suit is based on a misinterpretation of federal law
"Since 1994, the manufacture, sale and possession of semiautomatic weapons has been against the law...."

To quote one of MrBenchley's favoite sayings, "Not even close to true"(TM). Too bad KOAT TheNewMexicoChannel.com didn't bother to check the facts before they repeated this error.

And MrBenchley just passed along the bullshit without questioning it either. That's exactly how the Big Lie strategy operates. Most of the work is done by people who are too ignorant to see the misinformation, too lazy to check the facts, or who simply don't care about "Gun Porn Details"(TM), known to most of us as facts.
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MrSandman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 06:20 PM
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44. The AWB soon to morph into the SAWB
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 12:01 PM
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25. Killers' defense points to troubled childhood (MD)
Guns...the gift that keeps on giving....

"As federal prosecutors asked a jury yesterday to recommend death sentences for two members of a murderous West Baltimore drug ring, defense lawyers put on trial the troubled Lexington Terrace housing project where the men grew up and for which they named their gang.
The violence-riddled high-rises, demolished in 1996, were a "living hell" where children feared gunfire as they walked home from school and faced little hope of finding a legitimate way out of poverty, defense attorney Carroll McCabe said in opening statements in the penalty phase of the federal case against Keon D. Moses and Michael L. Taylor."

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/yahoo/bal-md.gang07apr...

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Wubbman Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 12:41 PM
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27. Store Owner Kills Armed Robber
A jewelry store owner shot an intruder to death during an attempted robbery Tuesday, authorities said.


http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-briefs7.3apr07,...
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 01:23 PM
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30. "three armed men....started shooting"
Edited on Wed Apr-07-04 01:24 PM by MrBenchley
Says it all....

Good thing the gun industry is working so hard to arm criminals and give them more firepower....NOT.
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Wubbman Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 04:54 PM
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42. I agree
Yeah, we should arrest all guns and put them in prison, as its obvious guns are what make people go bad.

I'm also shocked that car makers are giving transportation to drunk drivers. I even more shocked that the alcohol industry is making alcohol available to alcoholics and minors. What is the world coming to?
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 07:56 AM
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47. Wow...is THAT your proposal, wubb?
Guess that RKBA "logic" is as screwloose as ever.
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Columbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 01:00 PM
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28. Gun Permits On Rise In Sampson County (NC)
http://www.wral.com/news/2981968/detail.html

CLINTON, N.C. -- Authorities in Sampson County say a surge in gun permit applications is a direct result of a series of armed home robberies.

During a six month period last year, 740 gun permits were issued. That is 102 more than at the same time the year before. The number of permits for concealed weapons quadrupled.

"With the home invasions being constantly in the news in our area and in other counties, people are becoming more aware," Sheriff Jimmy Thornton said.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 01:26 PM
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31. Early morning shootings claim lives of 2 men (MD)
"In the first incident, a man was shot around 1:30 this morning in the 2900 block of Garrison Blvd., said Detective Donny Moses, a police spokesman. The man was reportedly shot in the head and hand and died later at a hospital.
At 3 a.m., another man was shot in the 1500 block of E. Lanvale St., according to Moses. Police found the victim on the sidewalk suffering from multiple gunshot wounds. He was taken to Johns Hopkins Hospital and pronounced dead at 3:30 a.m., Moses said.
The men -- who police have yet to publicly identify -- became the 72nd and 73rd murder victims in the city this year. This time last year, there were 70 murders recorded, Moses said."

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/crime/bal-shooti...
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 02:27 PM
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37. Police: Mother Shoots, Kills Son After Alleged Threat (OH)
"A woman shot and killed her son overnight Tuesday on Cleveland's east side, police told NewsChannel5.
The woman told investigators that her 29-year-old son was fighting with her husband at their Dove Avenue home when her son turned and threatened her. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=387&nci...
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 03:24 PM
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38. Man shot at Dunwoody apartment (GA)

"DeKalb County police Wednesday were investigating the early morning shooting of a man at a Dunwoody apartment complex.
The man, who had been shot multiple times, was taken to a local hospital, where he was in critical condition, Stewart said. His identity has not been determined."

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/dekalb/0404/07de...

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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 04:14 PM
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39. Charges filed in Sunday shooting (MO)
"Bobby Lee Roeder, 17, of Lebanon, was charged Monday afternoon by the Laclede County prosecutor's office with a felony of second-degree assault in the apparent accidental shooting of a friend about 4:15 p.m. Sunday afternoon in a parking lot across of 407 Knight Street.
Harlen Walter Ruppert, 18, of Falcon, was flown to St. John's Hospital-Springfield for treatment of a single gunshot wound to the upper-right portion of his chest from a .22-caliber semiautomatic handgun."

http://www.lebanondailyrecord.com/articles/2004/04/07/l...
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 04:32 PM
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40. Slaying charges weighed for shopkeeper (Toronto - update)
The story was first reported here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Newspaper reports at:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPSt...
http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/TorontoSun/News/2004/03/2...

The city's 15th killing of the year occurred Wednesday when a merchant defended himself against three men who were trying to rob his store, police said yesterday. On Wednesday afternoon, the 28-year-old owner of Manhattan Fine Clothes near Lawrence Avenue and Markham Road fought back as the men forced him into a back room, police said.

One of the men trying to rob the store, a 24-year-old, was badly injured and was taken to hospital, where he was pronounced dead. His two accomplices fled.

It was all very mysterious at the time, and the police weren't talking.

Well, it turns out there was no firearm involved at all -- not in the store owner's hands, anyhow.

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename...

A Scarborough clothing shop owner who killed a robbery suspect in his store last month is still waiting to learn whether he will face criminal charges. ... "The issue we are examining: Was the shop owner justified in using the force that he did use in the circumstances? Was it appropriate or was it excessive?" <Det. Sgt.> Skubic told a news conference at police headquarters.

... Police say the owner had just opened for business when three men walked into the shop with the intent of robbing it of clothing and cash. A struggle ensued and Kayan Kayson Smith, 24, was fatally injured, police say. The store owner was also hurt in the altercation.

An autopsy the next day concluded Smith died from "blunt force head injuries." Police are not saying what the store owner used to strike Smith, although the Centre of Forensic Sciences is examining "an implement we believe was used to inflict the injuries on Mr. Smith."

Yesterday, Skubic announced that police have arrested and charged two of Smith's alleged accomplices with robbery while armed with a firearm.

... No gun has been recovered, but the detective said there is "some evidence to suggest they were in possession of a firearm." No shots were fired in the store, which is in a strip mall on Lawrence Ave. E. near Markham Rd., he said. ... He called it one of the "intriguing" cases he has handled in his more than 10 years as a criminal investigator.

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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 04:36 PM
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41. Interesting...
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MrSandman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 06:21 PM
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45. Clubs in the news
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 07:02 AM
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46. I did think it was interesting
Goodness knows where Narf (I think it was, may he r.i.p.) came up with a story from the Globe and Mail. In any event, either he or whoever he got it from seems to have automatically assumed that there was a firearm involved, and he was presumably posting the story as an example of "defensive gun use".

Nope, not a firearmed shopkeeper, not in Canada. But a shopkeeper who nonetheless routed three goons who, apparently, had a handgun. And who perhaps even went above and beyond the call of self-defence.

If he did genuinely fear that he was going to be harmed, then his actions might well have been genuine self-defence. If you're up against three guys with a gun, the bar might have to be lowered a bit in terms of the deadliness of the force you're entitled to use. But if there was no reason to fear anything other than robbery, and no actual grievous personal injury, killing somebody would be a bit over the top. It just ain't allowed in Canada when it's done to resist theft, or an assault (pointing a firearm at someone is the "assault" element of robbery) where grievous injury/death isn't reasonably apprehended.

The evidence on that point will be his own account and the account of the two surviving robbers. They might not be the best witnesses, but that wouldn't necessarily make him the more credible. And given how little anyone is saying, one might wonder whether there is some back story that one isn't hearing. Like why a clothing store owner keeps an "implement" that can apparently be used to kill people, and why the goons picked that particular store. I don't think that The Gap keeps baseball bats and tire irons under the counter.

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