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mikeb302000 Donating Member (638 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-11 01:52 AM
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Shooting Guns For Toys For Tots
Local news in Twin Falls Idaho reports on more mingling of children and Christmas with guns and shooting sports. My objection is that the use of guns, for any reason whatever, is inherently violent. That's at best. Often it involves fantasies of killing animals or people. To mix this with the most wholesome activities like procuring toys for kids, is an abomination. Well, perhaps abomination is too strong, how about a travesty? However you call it, it's sick.

What's your opinion? Please leave a comment.
(cross posted at Mikeb302000)
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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-11 01:56 AM
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1. Boy I should post a new thread every time I have a useless fucking opinion.
Edited on Thu Dec-01-11 01:56 AM by AtheistCrusader
I'm hungry. Maybe I should go start a thread. I'll work in how guns make me feel, while I make a goddamn sandwich.
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Oneka Donating Member (319 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-11 06:44 AM
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8. Making a turkey sandwich,,
for any reason whatever, is inherently violent. It most likely involves fantasies of shooting a turkey, and several small
children, while the are shopping with their defenseless parents at Toys-r-us.


MY GoD....... What an abomination you are, or maybe you're just a travesty,,, well either way you, and your turkey sandwich are just plain


SICK....





:sarcasm:


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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-11 01:58 AM
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2. Are they shooting the guns AT the Toys For Tots?
Look, I don't give a shit either way, but people DO realize that Toys For Tots is a creation of the United States Marine Corps Reserve, yes?

And the Marines are not best known for their skill in flower arranging.

So maybe the whole guns and toys thing isn't too much of a stretch...

Just saying.
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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-11 01:59 AM
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3. Noooooooo don't cross the streams!
Facts should be kept far, far away from these threads. No one knows what could happen!
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-11 02:08 AM
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6. Oh shit...I've opened up a window into a parallel universe, then? nt
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rrneck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-11 12:07 PM
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16. Better do something
a lot of people are getting slimed.
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petronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-11 02:00 AM
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4. Yep, first it's guns and the next thing you know is the fucking military will get
involved in the wholesome activity of collecting toys for kids. That would really be sick...


(But no - there is nothing wrong with using the safe, fun, family activity of target shooting to promote an admirable program like Toys for Tots.)
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Armin-A Donating Member (99 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-11 02:01 AM
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5. gotta recruit em young
Edited on Thu Dec-01-11 02:01 AM by Armin-A
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beevul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-11 05:44 AM
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7. Oh my,You let that slip didn't you.
"My objection is that the use of guns, for any reason whatever, is inherently violent."

Finally some honesty.
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ileus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-11 07:47 AM
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10. there was another quote from him on another site that showed who he is.
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beevul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-11 01:35 PM
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22. Link, please, Fine Sir.
Thankee.
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ileus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-11 07:46 AM
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9. More BS from the King...
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-11 08:19 AM
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11. "inherently violent" - exactly
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Remmah2 Donating Member (971 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-11 09:55 AM
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12. another thread by Mike


How much deeper can it get?
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-11 11:13 AM
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14. If only we could roll him down a hill... n/t
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-11 11:12 AM
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13. You are becoming daily more vile.
When will it end?
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ileus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-11 12:36 PM
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18. when the UN goes bankrupt?
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-11 11:58 AM
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15. I my opinion I think the turkey shoot was to raise funds for a worthwhile cause ...
And I also do not believe that there is anything inherently violent about a turkey shoot.

At one time in history you might have had a point.

A "turkey shoot" is also a shooting contest where frozen turkeys are awarded as prizes. The shoot is most commonly held, using shotguns aimed at paper targets about 25-35 yards away. Original turkey shoots, however, dating at least to the time of James Fenimore Cooper, were contests in which live turkeys were tied down in a pen and shot from 25-35 yards.<1> If the turkey died, the shooter received it as a prize. This gave rise to the military term (see below). Today, turkey shoots are still popular in rural America. The winner is chosen according to which target has a shot closest to its center cross-mark. This removes almost all skill from the contest, and allows every shooter an equal chance.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey_shoot




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ileus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-11 12:46 PM
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19. My brother runs a "turkey shoot" in WV and one in NC
two weekends a month...they haven't shot for meat for 20 years. The shooters these days lay out 500 bucks for 10 rounds. Most will shoot two cards in each match, typical match will pay back 1200 bucks depending on the number of shooters (sometimes as low as 25 x 2, to a high of 75 x 2)

These guys carry in 3000+ dollar custom made shotguns topped with 1000+ scopes.

It's not a cheap sport by any means.

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Atypical Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-11 12:08 PM
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17. Are you against Toys for Tots now, Mike?
I'm not sure how you could possibly be up in arms about this.

The Twin Falls Rod & Gun Club, which has been in existence since 1928, is sponsoring a Turkey Shoot.

Despite the name, no turkeys are shot at the turkey shoot. It is a trapshooting contest, where people shoot clay pidgeons with shotguns. It is target shooting.

The Twin Falls Rod & Gun Club is hosting their Turkey Shoot to raise money to make a money donation to Toys for Tots, to buy toys. Note that the Twin Falls Rod & Gun Club is not buying the toys, they are donating money to TFT so they can buy their own toys.

It's hard to see how something like this is an "abomination" or a "travesty".

People are paying money to shoot targets competitively and the proceeds are going to Toys for Tots.

Christ Almighty, Mike. Are you against competitive target shooting, too?

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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-11 01:22 PM
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21. He obviously didn't know that no real turkeys are involved. That didn't stop him.
For Mike, "believing is seeing", hence the bloviation.

I must admit that I find watching him channel Mary Hanchett Hunt to be somewhat amusing. Perhaps he could rename his blog to "Scientific Disarmament Instruction"...
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burf Donating Member (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-11 09:22 PM
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33. Didn't I read somewhere that Mike was in the
Marine Corps? If so, shouldn't he be supporting his brothers in their effort to give less fortunate children something for Christmas where they otherwise would get nothing?

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rl6214 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-11 01:00 PM
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20. The only thing sick here is your attack on anything in any way
associated with guns, including something as simple as a childs toy. You are probably opposed to squirt guns and and nerf guns.

An abomination would be all of your blind links to your blog, the second link you posted. If you want people to read your shit, just post it like everyone else, otherwise it is just shit.

Unrec for the usual crap.
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montanto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-11 01:39 PM
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23. I got my first gun for christmas was I was 11.
Thanks Santa!!
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Glassunion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-11 04:18 PM
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24. Toys for Tots is a great charity.
Not to mention my wife gets to oogle over the Marines at the toy pickup event.
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-11 04:21 PM
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25. 12-yr-old kid gets shotgun under Christmas Tree: The Horror! nt
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gejohnston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-11 04:31 PM
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27. imagine this horror:
I got a single shot .22 rifle when I was 8 and a Ruger Blackhawk .357 for my 16th birthday.
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-11 05:07 PM
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28. Oooo, a Blackhawk! Nice one, and suitable for deer...
I need to give myself a .22 for range practice to enhance my deer-rifle practice. All I have now is a 1905-made '03 .22 Winchester which uses nearly-obsolete ammunition (.22 WAR). Hoping to find a better grade match-grade which someone tired of.
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gejohnston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-11 05:26 PM
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29. Not in Wyoming
at least not then, their rule is (or was) that the casing has to be at least 2 inches long and be .23 caliber. Had to use my .30-30 Marlin.
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 01:53 PM
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36. I personally think a .357 is too little gun for deer, but it is legal in some quarters.nt
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pipoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 08:23 PM
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41. It can be done, and I know several people who have taken deer w/.357 mags
it's a legal round in my state. I prefer my S&W M29 .44 mag..
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DonP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-11 05:46 PM
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30. A Marlin 39A in .22 is a great practice rifle
It's a scaled down version of the lever action 336 that comes in 30-30. All steel and walnut, no plastic parts.

The 39A shoots shorts, long and long rifle, so practice with it is really cheap. Pre-drilled and tapped for a scope or Williams peep sight.

I just picked a used one (1956) up for $200 in my local shop.
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Glassunion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-11 08:02 PM
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31. It's not good for zombies however.
Edited on Thu Dec-01-11 08:02 PM by Glassunion
You want a higher-cap semi for that.

Hornady has the right idea, but they don't have any in .22. .223 is okay if your plucking them off at 200 yards but it's damn expensive. Besides, if they are 100+ yards out, just be quiet.
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DonP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-11 10:23 PM
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34. The tube holds 26 shorts or 18 LRs and a lever action is a pretty fast action
Besides, even with my ARs and Garands, at heart I'm still a fan of Cowboy related stuff.

I hope this club raises a ton of money for Toys for Tots, if for no other reason just to piss off some people living in the original home of true fascism.
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Glassunion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-11 11:54 PM
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35. I'll take a 10/22 with a 50rnd for my zombie needs.
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 01:54 PM
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37. Thanks! I'll keep that in mind. nt
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-11 04:28 PM
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26. I can't decide if this post is part of the War on Guns, or the War on Christmas. Either way.....


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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-11 08:57 PM
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32. How about a knife throwing contest to raise money?
Edited on Thu Dec-01-11 08:57 PM by BiggJawn
Knives are Friendly, knives are Good. Knives are how we cut our Food... Why, I would venture a guess that even Mikeb has knives in his kitchen.

But, the violence... I mean, did anybody consider that maybe that loaf of bread didn't WANT to be cut into thin slices?
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jmg257 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 07:48 PM
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38. Yup - these suck bastards - raising money for Toys for Tots...
Edited on Fri Dec-02-11 07:49 PM by jmg257
"This year marked the 16th annual, KMVT Christmas for Kids Toys for Tots turkey shoot.

Held every year at the Twin Falls Gun Club.

This year, the event featured not only target practice for some generous gun nuts.

But also, the event gave another great opportunity to help increase our stockpile of unuse and unwrapped toys for some needy kids this Christmas.
This is a big benefit for us because we can now go out and fill the holes where we need toys. So, this money that is being raised today will go out and buy toys for the blanks that we are missing on our age groups." Said Paul Johnson KMVTS Toys for Tots.
...
Modern Woodsmen, out of Twin Falls, has pledged to double whatever Toys for Tots comes to as a total."


Raising money to buy toys for unfortunate kids...and you call it "sick"??


Maybe your anti-gun obsession has made you crazy. Starting to pity your son that he'll have to deal with such irrational nastiness growing up.
:crazy:

Semper Fi, Mack.
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pipoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 08:09 PM
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39. I know it has been stated already in this thread, but it bears repeating..
Edited on Fri Dec-02-11 08:11 PM by pipoman
Toys For Tots is a US MARINE CORPS charity..of coarse you had no clue this before your oral BM. I am quite sure the US MARINE CORPS is very appreciative of the donations raised by this CHARITY event. Idiotic opinions of those who don't participate on this site and are clueless are the only things which are abomination, travesty, or sick. Care to share what you have donated to Toys for Tots mike? I will take silence as, just what I suspect, not one thin dime.
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pipoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 08:18 PM
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40. Oh, and further
your rant sounds exactly like the argument by the fundies against music, books and video games...maybe you can join them in a media/gun burn while singing Christmas carols..
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Francis Marion Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 05:13 PM
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42. Nice straw man you have there.
Ascinine statement:
"...the use of guns, for any reason whatever, is inherently violent."

What over reach! Target shooters strive to shoot the smallest group possible, and place it where they want it on paper. Nothing more, nothing less. An athletic pursuit, a martial art, besides being something that only free people can choose to do- that's it.

You are inside of every target shooter's head and know their secret mental agenda for a fact? Absurd generalization. Stunning bigotry. Besides intolerant, prejudiced, presumptive.

Pens and paper have been used to sign death warrants. Does that mean that every person who writes on paper really would rather be killing people?

Do you have any opinions formulated outside of bigotry toward our motivations? They'd be far more interesting to read than personal propaganda.



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