MO man wards off gang of thugs.

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This guy rocks...

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KANSAS CITY, MO.—
Roger MacBride says that he's used to looking out for trouble in his old Northeast neighborhood. But usually the problems involve prostitutes or drug addicts, and he says that he wasn't ready for what he calls a mob of young troublemakers who threatened his home and family.

Witnesses say that a group of 25 to 30 young teens terrorized the neighborhood on Wednesday. MacBride says that the teens kicked in the door to a neighboring home and broke windows inside. He says when he yelled at the group to get out, they turned on him.

"All of a sudden, this one kid with corn rows comes out and he's like yakety yak, (expletive), da, da, da. He's like we'll kick your (expletive) too you don't (expletive) own this neighborhood, and they are like, literally, 12 of them, start running over here," said MacBride.

MacBride says the teens surrounded his house, picking up rocks and throwing them at him. That's when he says in his eyes, the mob stopped being a bunch of kids and became a big threat. He says the teens were reaching for his door handle when the the sight of his Soviet rifle had an instant reaction.

http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-metro-man-says-teen-mob...

When a man wearing a towel around his waist, a butchers apron, combat boots and toting a Soviet made WW-II era rifle tells you to move... you better fucking move.

[madmax]

1. .....

[rfranklin]

2. He didn't litter the street with thug bodies?

Doesn't he listen to Neal Boortz?

This town is starting to look like a garbage heap. And we got too damn many urban thugs, yo, ruining the quality of life for everybody. And I'll tell you what it's gonna take. You people, you are - you need to have a gun. You need to have training. You need to know how to use that gun. You need to get a permit to carry that gun. And you do in fact need to carry that gun and we need to see some dead thugs littering the landscape in Atlanta. We need to see the next guy that tries to carjack you shot dead right where he stands. We need more dead thugs in this city. And let their -- let their mommas -- let their mommas say, "He was a good boy. He just fell in with the good crowd." And then lock her ass up.

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3. Maybe his 'Thug Hunting License' had expired?

[geckosfeet]

4. Hopefully they don't come back with a bigger gun.

[RKP5637]

5. Now they'll be out for revenge and no respect. n/t

[Katya Mullethov]

6. Time for new batteries in the smoke detectors

Maybe a couple of game cameras too .

[ileus]

7. doesn't he realize this only serves to promote violence...they only wanted beat him up.

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[ileus]

9. group of misguided innocent young harmless souls.

[HankyDubs]

12. who should be murdered by the brave white man

[ileus]

14. It's not murder...it's called self defense.

safety first...victim second.

[HankyDubs]

15. a kid throws a rock at you

and you shoot them? That would be murder in my book, sonny.

[eqfan592]

18. Rocks can kill.

http://www.capitolhillseattle.com/2011/03/07/medical-ex...

http://captain.blogs.starnewsonline.com/10686/s-c-woman... /

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/24557211/detail.html

A person shouldn't have to wait until massive injury has already occurred to defend themselves, and such injury is possible when hard objects are being thrown at you.

[ileus]

19. why would you shoot someone for throwing a rock at you? That's just silly.

[HankyDubs]

20. please explain this to eq...whatever his name is

[eqfan592]

23. lol, you really just don't get it, do you?

You can't handle somebody making one point without then setting up a straw man, can you? I didn't say that I would CLEARLY shoot a kid throwing rocks. I was making a point that even in your example the kid could actually do serious harm, and depending on the severity of the situation, lethal force may be justified.

Your mindset reminds me of a schools "zero tolerance" policy that doesn't see a difference between cocaine and aspirin. You just seem to view things as black and white, never able to see the massive gray area in the middle.

[HankyDubs]

24. please explain this to blown330

I didn't say that I would CLEARLY shoot a kid throwing rocks.

I was making a point that even in your example the kid could actually do serious harm, and depending on the severity of the situation, lethal force may be justified.

Shooting children justified. You are such lovely people.

[eqfan592]

25. Oh yes, we just LOVE to shoot children.

I mean seriously, do you actually READ what you are saying and see how disgusting it really is?

A 16 year old that is behaving in a manner that could lead to serious injury and possibly death for another may require lethal force to stop. It's not anything any sane person would enjoy, but it is a reality.

And seriously, stop trying to latch on to quotes from individuals and using them to paint an entire community with a broad brush. It just underscores how weak your own position is that you feel the need to resort to such idiocy.

[HankyDubs]

26. you don't love it, you love to justify it

what a difference!

[eqfan592]

27. Sometimes such actions are justified.

Other times they are not. As I said earlier, you are incapable of understanding this, hence the "Zero tolerance" reference.

A rational person takes each situation one at a time and attempts to work out if a persons actions may have been justified by the situation or not. You seem incapable of understanding this.

[PavePusher]

36. Is a rock a lethal weapon? Yes or No, please.... n/t

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

39. That depends.

I would have a to say no, a rock is not a lethal weapon. After all, God created all things and in Deuteronomy prescribed stoning for heretics. Since "stones" were "designed to kill" only stones are "lethal weapons". Rocks are just rocks.

[Starboard Tack]

61. Virtually any object cam be a lethal weapon

only some are specifically designed to be. Like guns. They are designed to be lethal. You can use them for target practice or wear them as fashion accessories, but their purpose remains the same.

[eqfan592]

63. Even if you want to say they are designed to be lethal...

...that lethality can be employed to do good or ill, and that is entirely dependent on the user.

[ergot]

66. Well, that's what makes them effective. Duh.

[lawodevolution]

50. If they can be tried as adults and capable of violent behavior than you can defend yourself against

them is if they are adults and in many cultures a 15 or 16 year old is an adult. There does not need to be a change in how you go about defending against young thugs, you show the gun, most often they will leave (and no revenge will occur) and if they decide to attack then it gets more complicated.

Antis don't care about the life of a young thug, they try to gain moral credit out of it by claiming you are a monster for being willing to defend yourself. The antis would make the act of display of the firearm illegal which would likely save lives. If I had to wait until I was certain that I had to use my gun before showing it, the thugs might not get a chance to decide to leave before I light them up. Antis don't care about saving lives, they only hate guns and gun owners. If they cared about lives they would promote the early display of a gun as a means to avoid a conflict.

[PavePusher]

51. 36 hours and no reply, so I'll ask again: Is a rock a lethal weapon, Yes or No?

Very simple question....

[HankyDubs]

52. shoot a kid with a rock

be a fucking hero!

Lethal weapon? Hah! Lets compare stone deaths in the last year to gun deaths in the last year. By your definition of "lethal weapon" a toothbush is a lethal weapon and you should shoot kids throwing toothbrushes.

Just repulsive reasoning, exactly what I come to expect.

[PavePusher]

54. You have not answered the question. n/t

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[oneshooter]

56. He won't give a straight answer. He can't, it is impossable for him to. n/t

[eqfan592]

58. Actually...

...toothbrushes have had their handles sharpened in order to turn them into weapons by some, but that is really beside the point.

Nobody is advocating just randomly shooting kids if they happen to be holding a rock. But there is a difference from a person who has a rock and a person who is attempting to use said rock to inflict potentially serious bodily harm on yourself or another. Many every day objects can be used with lethal intent. A rational person is capable of viewing use of such objects in context and not make blanket judgments from the start as you are.

Honestly, I think you are being extremely obtuse right now. You've had your reasoning called out and shown to be flawed, but instead of admitting this and moving on, you continue to dig a deeper and deeper hole, becoming all the more insulting in the process.

[Katya Mullethov]

44. There is no sport like the hunting of an armed child

Those that have tried it , and liked it , seldom care for anything else .

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

45. I was hoping for an 'earnest' reply...

...sorry, couldn't resist....

[Union Scribe]

49. Yeah I saw that Ice T movie, too. It was badass. nt

[PavePusher]

53. I think the Old Man would shoot you for that one.

With rock salt. In the face.

[Katya Mullethov]

62. Would that qualify as

Deadly force gone awry (Castle Law Suckage) ?

[PavePusher]

64. I dunnow. Does Castle Law Suckage apply to abuse of Intellectual Property?

And while evil and nearly obscene, it was damn funny....

[slackmaster]

57. It's easy to hit them even when they are on the run

You just don't lead them as much as adults.

[Blown330]

59. Please explain to Hanky...

...that people have the right to defend themselves and that if teens can be tried as adults for murder, they can accept the consequences of their actions as adults too. Love to see how quickly his moral grandstanding would change if he was put in a similar situation.

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[gejohnston]

21. listen to the clip. He said that they were about to enter his house to attack him and

and don't know what gated community you live in, but sure as hell is not suburbian as far as I can tell.
To you he is simply redneck white trash that you look down your nose at while pretending to "looking out for their best interests". That is until you need someone to fix your car or kill and cut up the cow so you can stuff your face.

[HankyDubs]

22. thats a lot of words you are putting in my mouth

I'd be interested in what these kids have to say about the man that threatened to shoot them.

[gejohnston]

29. Can dish it out but can't take it?

[rl6214]

34. Yeah, just think of poor Reginald Denny...

just a poor misguided kid throwing a rock at him, from two feet away, right at his head.

Poor kids.

just in case I needed it.

[X_Digger]

35. What book is that? "Legalities for Idiots"?

Your book, it would be wrong. Multiple people throwing rocks constitutes deadly force.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

42. IIRC...

...no shots were fired.

[Union Scribe]

32. Yeah what a racist.

Fucking klansman, defending his home and shit. White people, amiright?

[ergot]

65. I was wondering who'd be the first thug defender.

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[palmtree guy]

10. what a dick

he should have used tactical pleading 101, curled into the fetal position and allowed the little angels to have their way with him and the contents of his house!!

[ileus]

13. share and share alike works every time...

[Endangered Specie]

16. Proof the Mosin Nagant rifle is not obsolete and still a viable SHTF weapon

Especially with that two foot bayonet... Wonder if he had that out.
The design is 120 years old.

[ileus]

17. can you still pick them up for less than 150?

[eqfan592]

28. Yep! nt

[eqfan592]

31. Here's one link..

..from one of my fav online gun stores.

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php?pro...

I've found them for less than 100 sometimes at some local stores as well.

[rl6214]

37. You can still pick one up for $70

[rl6214]

38. check out the Mosins at Aim Surplus

http://www.aimsurplus.com/catalog.aspx?groupid=12&name=...

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40. Best of all...

they're C&R eligible and can be delivered right to your front door.

[eqfan592]

46. I just filled out the paper work for my C&R FFL!

Gonna be sending it in on Monday

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47. Congratulations!

Once it arrives... be sure to send copies of it to Brownells, Midway USA (or any other vendor that offers FFL discounts).

To be perfectly honest... that was the primary reason I applied for my C&R to begin with.

I've only purchased 3 firearms with it, but if you purchase any after market parts, supplies, etc... you'll probably recover the cost of the license

in your first order.

[eqfan592]

48. Wow, I never even thought about...

...the FFL discounts! I was getting it to save the cost, time and hassle of going through an outside dealer when I purchase a few C&R firearms in the not too distant future (a CZ-82 and an SKS). Thanks for the heads up!

Now I just hope I didn't mess up anything on the paperwork that will delay things!

[RSillsbee]

41. I surprised the Mosin didn't just walk out the door on its own and start kicking ass NT

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[guardian]

60. I think I'd have let a few of them break into my house

just so I could shoot a few of their punk asses.

[PavePusher]

67. Don't forget the sarcasm indicator, or certain people here will take you seriously.

Though no doubt it would be satisfying on both a personal and societal level. And, in the long term, provide a more effective deterrent to those who would oppress others...