Have to stop by the Police Station today

[RSillsbee]

and because I'm me I will be carrying a gun. Because I live in Colorado I will be legally permitted to carry said gun right into the police station while conducting my business.There's even a big sign on the door explaining the rules clearly. I will have to carry concealed because OC is prohibited in city buildings though.

Given I'm a lawful gun owner why should this be an issue?

[slackmaster]

1. You should carry a white cane, wear sunglasses, and walk in with a cat on a leash

;-)

[Brickbat]

2. Is your username based on Rab Sillsbee?

Because that's just a little bit awesome if it is.

[RSillsbee]

3. I am aware of the conection

but R(obert) Sillsbee is my real name ETA you are the first person to ask that BTW maybe no one else has read Johnny Tremain

[Brickbat]

9. Heh, I've been wondering if you were a "regular Silsbee of Lexington" for YEARS.

I see now it's actually Rab Silsbee (one L), but I still connect the two when I see your name.

"Johnny Tremain" is a great book, IMO.

[RSillsbee]

10. Nope just a regular SilLsbee of Pueblo NT

[cleanhippie]

4. Because you might "snap" and go on a shooting spree. You are law abiding right up to the point you

are not. Don't you know that?

[sharesunited]

18. Right on. Along with the theory of a socially responsible morphine self medicator.

[cleanhippie]

35. It always amazes me how many people seem to NEED to see the sarcasm thingy

in order to recognize sarcasm.

[sharesunited]

52. I recognized it. But you were correct in spite of yourself.

[Hoyt]

5. Yes, why is it an issue? Why should you need to carry a gun into police station?

I get the fear some folks experience walking into a Chuck E Cheeze, but Jeez.

[RSillsbee]

7. I don't NEED to carry agun in a police station

but I don't want to leave my gun in my car so why shouldn't I?

[Hoyt]

16. Not just a gun. Try walking in with a machete, armed spear gun, empty grenade, bag of dog chit, etc.

People -- including police -- are wary of armed people they don't know. Can't blame them -- or private citizens -- nowadays.

Hopefully, you'll get smart and just leave it in the car. If you just want to make a political statement, consider and issue worthwhile.

[AtheistCrusader]

24. Leaving it in the car is stupid.

Good way to transfer that gun into the hands of some criminal.

Ask Gil Kerlikowske

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[AtheistCrusader]

29. Nope. Sorry. Not going to happen.

Nice of you to suggest a solution that makes it easier for some scumbag to acquire a gun though.

Even though this has been pointed out to you before.
You are free not to carry a gun if you prefer. You are not free to tell others not to carry a gun.

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[jpak]

37. The Holy 2A is not absolute - you cannot carry a gun into the chambers of the US Supreme Court

and if that is OK, then you can tell people what they can carry and where

yup

[AtheistCrusader]

38. As an individual, you may not.

As a legislative body, you may, provided you have jurisdiction to do so. For instance, the City of Seattle has no authority to ban my carry in public places designated as parks, such as the City Center. It's a violation of state pre-emption.

Hoyt MAY tell me I cannot carry on his property. Which is fine.

[jpak]

44. As a business owner - you can

The govenment can too

yup

[AtheistCrusader]

49. Possibly. That hasn't been tested.

You can throw black people out of your house, too, but not out of your business. At least not until the teabaggers have their way.

Whether firearms, as any civil right, may be protected in such a manner is not yet tested by the courts. Most gun owners respect property owner's wishes, so it may never be an issue.

[RSillsbee]

39. And the city of Colorado Springs has decided it's OK

for me to carry in the Police Station. So, what's the problem?

[jpak]

45. And if they say you can't - then what?

:shrug:

[RSillsbee]

47. Then we have a violation of the State Constitution

As well as state preemption and they know it.

Happy w/ that flatlander?

[spin]

40. I have no problems on reasonable restrictions on where I can carry my concealed firearm ...

I find the restrictions in my state reasonable.


Possession Restrictions

The following is a list of places where you are restricted from carrying a weapon or firearm even if you have a license. Please note that this is a simplified list. The places marked by an asterisk (*) may have exceptions or additional restrictions. See Section 790.06 (12), Florida Statutes for a complete listing.

any place of nuisance as defined in s. 823.05
any police, sheriff, or highway patrol station
any detention facility, prison, or jail; any courthouse
any courtroom*
any polling place
any meeting of the governing body of a county, public school district, municipality, or special district
any meeting of the Legislature or a committee thereof
any school, college, or professional athletic event not related to firearms
any school administration building
any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption*
any elementary or secondary school facility
any area technical center
any college or university facility*
inside the passenger terminal and sterile area of any airport*
any place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law
http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/weapons/possession.html

Florida forbids open carry and again I have no problems with this. I would like to see licensed concealed carry to be permitted on college campuses in order to prevent a potential shooter from being able to conduct a massacre. This will eventually happen.

[RSillsbee]

32. I can leave the gun at home, I just choose not to

I occasionally have to get a UA as a condition of employment. I never carry for that because I'm required to empty my pockets and that means putting my gun under the control of a stranger.

If carrying causes more problems than it solves I don't carry. That seems to rarely be the case though

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[tularetom]

6. I'm going to drive my truck to the feed store today

And when I do I will have my drivers license on my person.

Because this is the law here in CA you see.

Since I am a legally licensed driver why should this be an issue?

[RSillsbee]

8. Does your feed store sell chickens? NT

[RSillsbee]

11. I don't know who recc'd me but I am sure the prohis will cancel it out shortly

Thanks though

[JohnnyRingo]

12. So you can carry a gun into the police station, but only if it's concealed?

I find that puzzling because that's exactly what someone would do if they intended harm. I'll assume there may be a metal detector, but once again that's puzzling that they'd make you show the gun and a permit for the gun that has to remain concealed. Though I'm a gun owner, I question your anticipation to go through additional scrutiny just to exercise a right. When I go to the court house or police station here, I leave my pocket knife in the car just so I won't set off the alarms that result in my inconvenience. It's my right to carry a knife, but I don't have to.

BTW... Why would it be against the law to carry a sidearm in a holster, especially in a Western state? Why aren't people there up in arms, so to speak, about this ordinance that prevents law abiding citizens from open carry? I can't think of a more literal translation of "bearing arms" than openly carrying it.

Methinks the people of Colorado are getting a bit passionate about packing heat because it has all the earmarks of a popular fad instead of a security necessity. After all, if you need to carry a gun to protect yourself at the police station, Colorado is in much worse shape than anyone can imagine.

[RSillsbee]

19. Open carry in city owned buildings

is prohibited by municipal ordinance, it's been that way for years.

Methinks the people of Colorado are getting a bit passionate about packing heat because it has all the earmarks of a popular fad instead of a security necessity. After all, if you need to carry a gun to protect yourself at the police station, Colorado is in much worse shape than anyone can imagine.

As stated earlier I will be carrying at the police station because I don't care to leave it in my car. I carry a gun because I have a specific threat . That said, I would carry a gun even if I didn't

[JohnnyRingo]

21. I don't care to leave my pocket knife in the car either.

But it's easier to walk through the door of the court house without being asked to empty my pockets onto a tray. No one knows it's locked in my car, but I never considered that my rights are in violation.

[YllwFvr]

50. Wow you dont have to empty your pockets?

You empty your pockets here before you go through the detector

[JohnnyRingo]

55. No alarm, no search

[PavePusher]

26. It's not the portion of his trip inside the police station that is problematical...

security-wise.

Me-thinks you are getting a bit passionate about missing the point because it's a popular fad.

[jeepnstein]

13. Be careful with that.

If they find out you're packing something interesting they'll want to inspect the weapon. Next thing you know you've blown an hour arguing 9mm versus .45, the gun will have donut crumbs all over it, you'll have two or three trade offers, and somebody will lose the magazine. Concealed means concealed.

[RSillsbee]

17. I'll be carrying a S&W 6906 today

Very similar to what CSPD carried for years (5906) I doubt they'll find it all that interesting

[JohnnyRingo]

23. That you speak of your sidearm like some women discuss earrings is interesting

Like you lay them all out at the beginning of the day and pick which one you'll be carrying today based on some criteria that I'm unable to understand.

Frankly, that you speak of a concealed weapon more as a fashion accessory than a tool for self defense brings you more criticism than you know. It's only concealed if no one knows about it, but you announce it to the world for no good reason other than to spur pointless discussion. That's why it seems to me more a fad than a necessity.

[petronius]

31. If you don't understand why he might choose to carry, or why he might choose a specific

firearm on a particular day, why do you assume it's at all analogous to fashion? :shrug:

Sounds like you're building a strawperson to bolster your preconceived conclusions...

[RSillsbee]

34. Nah he's just another prohi

he'd object no matter why I carried a particular gun

[JohnnyRingo]

43. I'm a gun owner, and always have been

I was first suspicious of the taunting subject line. "Got a problem with that?" is simply put, daring anyone here to challenge his right or ability to carry a concealed weapon to a police station. Besides being a bit immature, it's the sure sign of someone who really doesn't need to carry a gun but does it because he thinks it's cool. Review the OP and try to determine the purpose of the post. It's nothing but bragging that he carrys one, and baiting for controversy. And yes, when he discusses what "he's carrying today", it is like he's choosing a fashion accessory.

I have several guns, but I don't come to the forum announcing it every time I clean one and dare someone here to defy my right to have it. As someone else here so wisely mentioned, it's only a concealed weapon if no one else knows. On any given day I may be headed to an abandoned house I unfortunately own, but I don't tell everyone I slipped my .380 Colt in my waistband before I go there.

[petronius]

56. I didn't read it that way at all (especially since that isn't the subject line)

Now that he's explained his choices (both what and why) in another post, do you still think it's a fashion accessory?

As for discussing his right here in the forum, that's what gets talked about in the Guns forum... :shrug:

[jeepnstein]

62. That answers one question.

I wondered how you came by that username and were so stridently anti-gun. It just didn't add up.

[RSillsbee]

33. Criteria for choosing a particular gun for carry

CZ75B (40S&W) Full sized pistol carry when weather dictates a jacket or at least a flannel and ski vest.

S&W 6906 (9mm) Compact pistol carry when weather dictates a light shirt or conditions dictate a little more concealment than I can get w/ my full size pistol

CZ 2075 RAMI(40S&W) Sub Compact pistol carry when weather conditions dictate a pull over or Polo or pocket carry is indicated. disadvantage it only holds 8+1 advantage will accept the standard capacity 75B magazine as a spare

These are the only pistols I ever carry they are all DA/SA so I can train the same for each pistol and 2 of the 3 will accept the same magazine so I don't have to worry about grabbing the wrong spare. I would like to purchase a CZ75 compact to use instead of the S&W then I could carry the same spare magazine for all three.

Yup fashion dictates which gun I carry Yup Yup

That's why it seems to me more a fad than a necessity.

I carry a gun because I have a former SIL who is a current meth head / dealer he is also a gang banger who holds my wife and I responsible for his last stint in prison as well as my daughter leaving him and taking the children who he has lost all parental rights to ( cause the meth had nothing ot do w/ either situation ... right) He was suspected of being involved in several murders before and during his first prison sentence. He also has a rather large family that sees things his way. I never go anywhere w/out a gun if I can help it TYPO

[oneshooter]

54. My carry choices are easier

SIG 220

Colt 1911a1

Astra A-75

Loving Wife got my, now hers, Colt LW Commander. Won't give it up!

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas



Almost forgot, Colt SAA for those times when I feel old fashioned!

[RSillsbee]

57. What about that great big C&B revolver you had in the picture on GRM?NT

[oneshooter]

59. That is a repop of a Colt 2nd Model Dragoon. At 4lbs and with

a 8" barrel it doesn't conceal too well.
Admittedly though it does have a certain look about it, and if the trigger needs to be pulled the thunderous light show and billowing smoke will make even those with evil a forethought run in terror, and flash burns. The 44cal 147gr pure lead round ball, backed with 45gr of 3Fg black is nigh on guaranteed to ruin a BG's day.

A little slow to reload though.

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

[RSillsbee]

60. Isn't that the type of pistol Mattie Ross carried in True Grit ?NT

[oneshooter]

61. It was called that, but looked to me to be a Colt Walker, even larger. n/t

[RSillsbee]

58. What about that great big C&B revolver you had in the picture on GRM?NT

[YllwFvr]

51. Then many police agree with him

As they are more than willing to talk about trigger pull poundage, felt recoil, mag capacity and such.

[ileus]

53. 5906.....very nice, my super has one....I'm in the market or a 686/586

of course it won't be to CC...LOL

[damntexdem]

14. Because it shouildn't be legal in the first place.

But American politics has become so idiotic that this nuttiness is allowed.

[DrDan]

15. but - understandable considering the terror experienced through

gun-separation anxiety. No wonder politics have taken this particular turn.

[friendly_iconoclast]

20. It's been legal in that hotbed of fascism and reaction, Vermont, since 1791.

And you will note that Vermonters are smart enough to have re-elected Howard Dean and Bernie Saunders several times each.

Hell, you don't even require a license to carry a gun around with you. I don't seem to recall any great problems with it there.

Wherein lies the problem?


Oh, yeah, I forgot- you don't like it.


Are there any other currently legal practices that you'd like to ban on the basis of "I'm against it"?


Recommending just because it pisses off control freaks.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

25. Likewise....

...now in Arizona and Alaska.

As I see it:
If it's legal to carry then why are there restrictions on where?

It's illegal to drink and drive drunk.
It's not illegal to drive to a bar.
It's not illegal to bring your license into the bar (sometimes it's required if you don't look old enough.)
It's not illegal to have a drink when you intend to drive after.

The effect of laws are primarily on the law abiding in the form of restrictions.
Secondarily, laws will sometimes make detecting and prosecuting crimes easier.
Lastly, laws influence criminals who get caught.
Laws burden criminals less than everyone else as criminals have less interest in following the law.

[PavePusher]

28. Oh, the idiotic, nuttiness of the U.S. Constitution.

So much that shouldn't be legal, but apparently is, amIright?

[ileus]

22. It's not....it's your building after all.

[LibertyFox]

41. I have to go to Brjsfnrd today.

I need to do business later today on Brjsfnrd, a little known planetoid orbiting around Proxima Centauri. I will be bringing my ray gun concealed because the peaceful Jrsfnrd people have not yet mastered interstellar space flight let alone energy weapon technology and I must obey the Prime Directive.

However should I be attacked by the Borg or the evil Astrothoths I will be ready.

[lawodevolution]

42. Power to the people

[Kolesar]

46. What community in Colorado is such a shithole that you have to travel armed 24/7? eom

[RSillsbee]

48. I like to think it's because Colorado is so progressive

that I get to travel armed 24/7