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lawodevolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 12:07 PM
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Anti gun groups coach mentally insane to commit mass shootings
I don't have a link to prove this. It's kind of like not having a link to a story about a guy walking into a school in another town with a rifle and not shooting anyone.

Without the need to back up what we write we can invent anything.
The Brady campaign needs more money and mass shootings bring in money why not nudge a few more mass shootings into reality to keep the money coming in? The ends justify the means, right?

Given the level of excitment the antis have over the 6 year old in Houston who got several others injured after bringing a gun to school I wonder if they have motive to reproduce such events, perhaps some anti planted a gun in the kids bag. Given their willingness to use dishonesty to win their war against legal gun ownership I do not doubt their ability to try to create such events to further their cause and bring in more members.

But let me make it clear, there is no evidence that this has happened yet.
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lawodevolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 12:08 PM
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1. Not fun when your propaganda tactics are used against you, ehhh?
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 12:09 PM
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2. I've been sleeping with Michelle Pfeiffer
And I don't even know it.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 12:09 PM
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3. . nt
Edited on Thu Apr-21-11 12:11 PM by onehandle
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lawodevolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 12:17 PM
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7. Is it? I gave you a situation and explained there was no evidence to back it up
Can fiction be a lie? If it is then surely when anti gun people do the same thing without proof those are lies also, right?
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 12:27 PM
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15. Typical GOP ploy: label facts as propaganda or "assumptions."
You'd fit right in with the teabaggers.
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lawodevolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 12:28 PM
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18. What facts? This is the problem with the anti gun side. No facts.
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Drale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 12:14 PM
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6. Un'rec for fear mongering
You claim that the anti-gun movement uses fear? Wow what a hypocrite.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 12:17 PM
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8. ...or just for outright lunatic paranoia
n/t
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lawodevolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 12:19 PM
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10. Yes, this is what it's like to be exposed to your lunatic anti gun paranoia
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 12:28 PM
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17. I see the "projection train" is right time, as well...
Your meltdown here just gets better and better...
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lawodevolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 12:30 PM
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19. Now it's a meltdown. Lol
What else is it? Don't like the mirror do you?
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 12:38 PM
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23. Yes it is. Lol.
n/t
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lawodevolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 12:40 PM
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25. So why do you feel this way? You don't like the overall message of the thread?
Does it anger you?
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 01:21 PM
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40.  So why do you post this way? You don't like the overall message of the news?
Does it anger you?
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lawodevolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 12:18 PM
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9. Sometimes y'all need to be exposed to your own tactics so that you know what it's like
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Drale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 12:20 PM
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11. Y'all? Who's Y'all?
Stop using right wing tactics to get your way. Unless you have major evidence to support your case, don't.
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lawodevolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 12:23 PM
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13. Wright wring twactics, Uhhhh ohhhhh
That's the main tactic on the anti gun side. I'm simply using this tactic against the anti gun side. They need a look in the mirror
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 12:21 PM
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12. and what tactics would those be . . . . (don't forget to post a link)
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one-eyed fat man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 12:51 PM
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30. Too easy!
Edited on Thu Apr-21-11 12:55 PM by one-eyed fat man
Cease Fire PSA

The plot of the PSA is as follows:

A child opens a closet door and looks at the top shelf. He drags a chair to the front of the closet and stacks books and boxes on the seat. He climbs up and reaches for a gun on the top shelf.

MICHAEL DOUGLAS (voice over):

If you think your kids aren't old enough to find your handgun, think again.

The child turns the gun around, pointing it at his face. We hear a SHOT and we see a graphic with the following statistic: "10 children are killed by a handgun every day." The Cease Fire logo and web page address appear.


Part of the reason this ad is effective is it uses the image of a toddler to fix an image in your mind, then goes on to say 10 children a day are killed by a handgun EACH DAY. TEN A DAY!!! That's 3,650 children a year who the sponsors of the ad want you to believe are preschoolers who blasted themselves by finding a loaded gun "hidden" in the home. The intent is to have you tie the number "ten a day" to the image of "children" as innocent young toddlers.


2007 was the last year the CDC reported this. But as you can see firearm accidents for kids, and defining EVERYONE UNDER AGE 18 as a kid to get the widest possible range range, is 8th on the list. If you use age 10 and under, then firearm accidents are not even in the top 10.

1 - Unintentional Motor Vehicle Traffic = 3,644
2 - Unintentional Drowning = 844
3 - Unintentional Fire/burn = 458
4 - Unintentional Poisoning = 379
5 - Unintentional Suffocation = 280
6 - Unintentional Pedestrian, Other = 208
7 - Unintentional Other Land Transport = 196
8 - Unintentional Firearm = 111


http://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/leadcaus10.html


According to the CDC, if you include everyone under voting age as a child the number is 111. If you pick the 4-5 age group as shown in the PSA it is 14.

So how do you turn 14 accidents a year into 10 a day, besides just flat out lie??

First, expand your definition of child. Why not define everyone as "children" up to age 23? After all the IRS will let you count your college student offspring as dependents at 23. Second, why stop at accidents when you can include suicides, homicides, and legal intervention?

This is a big boost to the numbers as the crime rate follows the proportion of young males in the population. Both the victims and the perpetrators of crime tend to fall in the 18-25 age category. This way you get to count in homicides both innocent victims, and any criminals dispatched by the police.

One of the leading causes of death amongst teenagers is suicide. The Centers for Disease control report that it is the third leading cause of death, behind accidents (all types of accidents, mostly motor vehicle) and homicide, of people aged 15 to 24. Even more disturbing is the fact that suicide is the fourth leading cause of death for children between the ages of 10 and 14.

For further discussion on techniques used to manipulate a message: techniques, part II

It's still a lie, even if it is well thought out exceedingly deceptive and slickly produced lie.
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 01:31 PM
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41. what a crock - just more NRA-obfuscation
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 12:26 PM
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14. About as credible as the rest of the gunnuttery on DU.
What a shame that such nonsense infests this site.
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lawodevolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 12:27 PM
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16. Yall aren't taking well to looking into the mirror. Lol
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CelticThunder Donating Member (460 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 12:33 PM
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20. And yall love to display your little killing machines with the business end longer than it's wide.
Nothing really sadder than that.
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lawodevolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 12:37 PM
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22. My guns are not killing machines. They are for target shooting
In fact 99% of bullets are used in target shooting and the typical use of an object defines it's purpose.
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 12:35 PM
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21. fairy tales can come true - they can happen to you
It's maaaaaagic

:rofl:
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lawodevolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 12:39 PM
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24. I figured the board needed some propaganda from the other side for a change to put
Things in perspective. Sorry I hijacked your methods.
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 12:48 PM
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27. I post real gun stories - others post made up fairy tale NRA BS
yup
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lawodevolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 12:56 PM
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33. This is part of the problem, you claim stories that go against your agenda to be made up
When you can't back that up. Anecdotes are very bad argument. If we could write a thread for each victim of the 500 disarmed villagers killed in Nigeria in 2010 it would not help us understand why there is so much violence in a country that has almost no civilian guns. But it would have emotional effect.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 12:45 PM
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26. What a desperately creepy OP.
You WISH our side was as violent and irrational as yours...and as calculating in using the easily persuaded.

Is DU the place for fantasy life?

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lawodevolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 12:50 PM
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29. The anti gun side spreads lies and utilizes the "easily pursuaded" victims of violent crime and
Gun accidents to bring in money and members.

Who are the "easily persuaded" on the pro gun side?
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Paladin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 12:48 PM
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28. Get Your Meds Adjusted. And Stay The Fuck Out Of My Neighborhood (n/t)
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lawodevolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 12:52 PM
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31. Stop using 'shrooms and stop sexually abusing your children.
And stay out of my neighborhood, perv
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WatsonT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 12:55 PM
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32. Makes sense, anti-gun types around here cheer everytime there is a mass shooting
they say it's worth the cost to push their agenda on this country and they only wish more were killed.

*no I will not cite, just assume the words I'm attributing to them were actually said by these people.
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Cheap_Trick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 12:59 PM
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34. And pro gunners cheer everytime someone shoots someone else.
*no I will not cite, just assume the words I'm attributing to them were actually said by these people.
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WatsonT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 01:00 PM
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35. Ahahahahaha! You attempted a satire
of my satire making fun of what you guys already do.

That post you just made? That is exactly what anti-gun types say on every single one of these threads. If not worse.

You fail at recognizing it and made a parody of yourself!

:rofl:
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lawodevolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 01:01 PM
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36. You mean pro gunners cheer when a woman shoots an HIV infected rapist who dragged her into
A dark alley and was stripping her clothes off? That's just....awful. Don't they value life!?!?
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 01:34 PM
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42. what a load of crap - tell us - what is the acceptable number of
gun deaths/accidents these days to justify protecting the arsenal?
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Cheap_Trick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 01:07 PM
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37. How much did the NRA pay you to post this tripe?
They should ask for their money back.
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lawodevolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 01:16 PM
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39. They have better things to do like selling bazookas, granades and Tommy guns to 3 year olds
Right? Isn't this what y'all think?

So you think tEH evile NRA sent me to stir up the psych ward? What y'all need is some haloperidol.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 01:14 PM
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 01:46 PM
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43. Locking...
The Subject Line alone is grounds for a fire-fight.
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