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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:17 AM
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Restaurants' opposition might stop guns (in bars) bill in House (OH)
http://www.dispatchpolitics.com/live/content/local_news...

Do restaurant owners have more clout than law-enforcement officers with Ohio lawmakers

The Ohio Senate easily passed legislation yesterday to allow people with concealed-carry permits to take their guns into bars, restaurants, arenas, museums and other areas where alcohol is served - as long as they don't drink.

Senate Bill 17 was approved by a vote of 25-7. But the legislation might hit a wall in the House.

Although House Speaker William G. Batchelder, R-(edit-moran) Medina, said he thinks "it's not a bad idea," the bill does not appear to have the votes for passage in his chamber.

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virginia mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:22 AM
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1. Yea busness owners are incapable of posting a "No Guns" sign on their own properly..
So they must have state law step in and DICTATE it too them!


But, the trend is very heartning. We are winning.

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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:53 AM
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9. Uh...
Interesting post.
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Hoyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 12:56 PM
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13. I don't think gun carriers should put restaurants in that position. If you can't walk into a

restaurant without a gun, I'd suggest going somewhere else, or just sucking it up and watching over your shoulder if you are that concerned.
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 01:08 PM
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14. What you fail to realize ...
is that you usually park your car and walk to and from the restaurant.

Parking lots are so common we may rarely think of them as dangerous places. But statistically, they are the second most common places for personal assault and theft.
http://safetytipsblog.com/safety-tips-for-parking-lots-... /

And if you can't carry inside the restaurant, you would have to leave your firearm behind in your car, where some thief might steal it.

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rl6214 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 02:15 PM
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19. good thing it's none of your business
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:22 AM
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2. No, because law enforcement officers are against this...nice try...nt
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:28 AM
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4. Yup - law enforcement is against this stupid republican bill
Ohio Senate Approves Bill Allowing Guns In Bars

http://www2.nbc4i.com/news/2011/apr/13/ohio-senate-appr... /

The Ohio Senate voted 25-5 Wednesday to allow a gun owners with concealed carrying permits to take their weapons into bars and other places that serve alcohol.

SB 17 now moves to the Republican-controllled House, where a similar bill stalled in the last legislative session when Democrats held the House majority.

Law enforcment groups opposed the legislation, which prohibits firearms owners from drinking alcohol while carrying. Critics have questioned whether the legal restriction is enough of a deterrent of gun violence inside bars.

Sen. Bill Seitz (R-edit - moranCincinnati) called the bill a "natural evolution" of Ohio's concealed carry laws.

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gejohnston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:45 AM
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8. I think the ban
should extend to off duty cops who are carrying as well. The logic behind these attempts are that since off duty cops don't shoot each other neither will we.
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DonP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 12:54 PM
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12. Well, if Bull Connor says it's the thing to do, he must be right.
Wasn't he a "law enforcement officer" too?

Are all LEO always right or just when they agree with your particular prejudices?

Get back to us on that blind obedience thing when you can.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:28 AM
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3. Ohio was Republican, but not right wing wacko before term limits were imposed in 1994
Now the legislature is low-quality ignoramuses who are looking toward their next career moves in eight years. Usually lobbying
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OneTenthofOnePercent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:34 AM
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5. 71 out of 83 graded Ohio House Reps have NRA "A" ratings...
And similar versions of the bill have already passed House committee votes.

I guess we'll just have to see.
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:41 AM
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7. Stupid Republican majority House
yup
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 01:10 PM
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15. There might be more Democrats in the House ...
if they were strong supporters of firearms rights.

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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 01:21 PM
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16. Nonsense - over-reach GOP morans are pro-stupid gun laws and anti-union
They will reap the whirlwind November 2012

yup
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 01:30 PM
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18. If the Democratic candidates run on a platform the includes draconian gun control ...
the whirlwind you mention might be a dust devil.
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rl6214 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 02:17 PM
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20. .
:rofl:
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OneTenthofOnePercent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:40 AM
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6. Restauraunts can still choose to ban guns on premises & the current ban on "bar carry" is redundant
Edited on Thu Apr-14-11 11:43 AM by OneTenthofOnePercent
Two things will give this bill limited impact, even if passed.

a) I don't see the why restaurants should object to a statewide restriction of rights when any individual establishment can prohibit guns on their own premises. There's no point in restaurants opposing a bill that won't impact their restaurant one bit - should they choose to. All they have to do is prohibit guns on their property.

b) Drinking or being intoxicated and carrying guns is ALREADY illegal. The ban on guns in places that serve alcohol is redundant and unnecessary. The current ban basically provides no benefit that isn't already provided by other laws. Therefore, for the sake of legislative efficiency, it should be removed.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 12:46 PM
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11. Probably the reason they want the state to do it is they are chicken
They know if the law passes and they have to take ownership of posting no guns signs they will suffer a drop in business from the pro-carry patrons.
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 01:24 PM
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17. Here's a solution to "no-guns" signs ...
If I see a "no-guns" sign on the door of an commercial establishment, I take my business elsewhere. Usually, I call the store or restaurant and politely tell them that the sign cost them my business. Many other people who carry concealed in Florida do the same. Consequently you rarely see a "no-guns" sign on the door of a store in Florida.

But to be fair, Florida has had "shall issue" concealed carry since 1987. Store owners no longer suffer from irrational panic at the concept that an honest citizen who has passed a background check and has had training might carry a concealed weapon into his store.

But for people that live in states where concealed carry is as readily accepted a "No Guns, No Money" card quickly gets the point across.


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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 12:41 PM
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21. Same thing in PA
The last time I saw a no weapons sign was when the first IHOP opened in Robinson(near Pittsburgh). Funny thing is in Morgantown, WV they didn't post. The sign was gone next time I went there.

Reading PA gunowners forum there are still some merchants that freak at open carry though. As much as they discuss there I've only seen 1 open carrier except for a couple of guys at my local gun club.
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DonP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 12:16 PM
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10. I love that "might stop guns" headline
So now you're adding what "might" happen to posts where nothing happened.

Keep hoping for the best.
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