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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 12:00 AM
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Many Ill. residents obtain out-of-state concealed-carry permits.
The fact that Illinois forbids concealed carry of firearms doesn't mean Illinois residents don't have concealed carry permits.

In many cases, they've applied for and received permits from other states by mail or online - a surging trend that comes with potential lessons and controversies as Illinois debates whether to enact a concealed-carry law and publish names of residents who hold a firearms owner identification card.

Mike Steck, a concealed-carry instructor from Utah, travels to Peoria several times a year, most recently March 26, to teach the four-hour class on gun safety and legal issues required for local residents to apply for a concealed-carry permit in Utah. He'll carry their completed application form back to Utah if they want.

Bob Zimmerman of Metamora is one of more than 7,000 Illinois residents who have valid concealed carry permits from Florida.

http://www.pjstar.com/news/x1076644949/Many-Ill-residen...
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 12:12 AM
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1. Yeah right.
And Illinois gay couples just apply for Massachusetts marriage licenses.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 12:14 AM
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2. I bet they do
Cause one state denies you a right doesn't mean if another grants it you shouldn't go for it.
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 12:16 AM
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3. Using a fake address in Utah or Massachusetts?
What exactly do you suppose that gives one?
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Straw Man Donating Member (986 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 12:25 AM
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4. Read the article: it's a non-resident permit.
It allows the holder to carry concealed in Utah and 32 other states. No "fake address" needed.

Out-of-state gay couples can get a Massachusetts marriage license if they "indicate intention to reside in Massachusetts, in an affadavit signed under the pains and penalties of perjury."
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 12:32 AM
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5. And this gives an Illinois resident what? Maybe you want to pay $$ to have a star named after you.
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 12:35 AM
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7. Authorization to carry in many states, but not in the repressive regime of their home state
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 12:34 AM
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6. They are non-resident permits...no subterfuge required
You would know that is you had read the cited material.
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 12:50 AM
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8. Isn't subterfuge required to carry your gun with you to the state line?
And across any "tyrannical" neighboring state until you reach the "promised land?"

It's some sneaky stuff, and promotes guns being too readily in the hands of the public.

Not good.
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YllwFvr Donating Member (757 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 06:24 AM
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10. Federal firearm transportation laws
I can't seem to link a pdf from my phone. If you are curious the info is at www.handgunlaw.us on the left side is a link RV/ Car carry
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 07:15 AM
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11. More ignorance and accusation/insinuation.
If you bothered to cure the first ailment, the second could only be intentional. But then you'd lose your excuse...
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one-eyed fat man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 08:20 AM
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13. Traveling through Illinois
Firearm Owners Protection Act. (FOPA), Pub.L. 99-308, 100 Stat. 449, enacted May 19, 1986, codified at 18 U.S.C. 921 et seq., is a United States federal law that revised many statutes in the Gun Control Act of 1968. (This means it applies even in "Crook" County, as well as the rest of Illinois! )

One of the law's provisions was that persons traveling from one place to another cannot be incarcerated for a firearms offense in a state that has strict gun control laws if the traveler is just passing through (short stops for food and gas) and the firearms and ammunition are not immediately accessible, unloaded and, in the case of a vehicle without a compartment separate from the drivers compartment, in a locked container.

An example of this would be that someone driving from Kentucky to a competition in Montana with a locked hard case containing an unloaded handgun and a box of ammunition in the trunk could not be prosecuted in Illinois or Wisconsin for illegal possession of a handgun provided that they did not stop in Illinois or Wisconsin for an extended period of time.


As long as a person with a valid license is not "carrying" while inside Illinois there is no problem. A person could make that same trip with a valid Kentucky license carrying a loaded gun, as long as he stopped, unloaded it and placed it in the locked case before leaving Indiana and kept it there until after crossing the line into Minnesota. An Illinois resident with a valid license from another state could stop and put on his gun after crossing the state line into a state which recognizes the non-resident license. So yes, even an Illinois resident may legally, and without subterfuge, transport a handgun across any "tyrannical" neighboring state until you reach the "promised land?"

You keep chipping your teeth like that your dentist will be able to retire early.
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Straw Man Donating Member (986 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 04:04 PM
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14. Laws you don't like = "subterfuge" and "sneaky"?
No, there is a federal law that allows for transporting guns through "hostile territory."
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DonP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 04:30 PM
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15. I'm waiting for them to use the "L" word - Loophole in the laws
That's kind of funny. It never dawned on the gun control crowd that people can legally get a CCW permit from another state.

Some of our Illinois politicians saw this story and are freaking out for no good reason. I'm sure one of the Chicago based meat puppets in the legislature will try and pass another law forbidding it.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 01:16 AM
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9. It means they can transport their legal, registed handgun from Illinois...
unloaded and in their trunk to a neighboring state, at which point they can legally do there what they cannot do in Illinois with that pistol: carry it concealed.
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armueller2001 Donating Member (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 07:43 AM
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12. Count me in as one of the 7,000
Edited on Mon Apr-04-11 07:46 AM by armueller2001
Lived in IL and got my non resident FL license. Permitted me carry in 32 states, but unfortunately I couldn't defend myself or my family outside our home in the state I resided and paid taxes to. The license was valuable to me when we were traveling to neighboring states such as Ohio or Indiana and weren't totally familiar with where the high crime areas were.

Moved to TX. Don't have to worry about that any more.
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