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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 04:18 PM
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Obama comments on gun control ..."We must seek agreement on gun reforms"...
Edited on Sun Mar-13-11 04:43 PM by spin

We must seek agreement on gun reforms
President Barack Obama Special To The Arizona Daily Star Arizona Daily Star | Posted: Sunday, March 13, 2011 12:00 am

It's been more than two months since the tragedy in Tucson stunned the nation. It was a moment when we came together as one people to mourn and to pray for those we lost. And in the attack's turbulent wake, Americans by and large rightly refrained from finger-pointing, assigning blame or playing politics with other people's pain

***snip***

Now, like the majority of Americans, I believe that the Second Amendment guarantees an individual right to bear arms. And the courts have settled that as the law of the land. In this country, we have a strong tradition of gun ownership that's handed from generation to generation. Hunting and shooting are part of our national heritage. And, in fact, my administration has not curtailed the rights of gun owners - it has expanded them, including allowing people to carry their guns in national parks and wildlife refuges.

The fact is, almost all gun owners in America are highly responsible. They're our friends and neighbors. They buy their guns legally and use them safely, whether for hunting or target shooting, collection or protection. And that's something that gun-safety advocates need to accept. Likewise, advocates for gun owners should accept the awful reality that gun violence affects Americans everywhere, whether on the streets of Chicago or at a supermarket in Tucson.

***snip***

First, we should begin by enforcing laws that are already on the books. The National Instant Criminal Background Check System is the filter that's supposed to stop the wrong people from getting their hands on a gun. Bipartisan legislation four years ago was supposed to strengthen this system, but it hasn't been properly implemented. It relies on data supplied by states - but that data is often incomplete and inadequate. We must do better.

http://azstarnet.com/article_011e7118-8951-5206-a878-39...


As a gun owner, an NRA member and a Democrat I agree with Obama's approach. He describes a worthwhile plan that will make far more difference than pushing to pass some useless "feel good" law such as a ban on magazines that hold more than 10 rounds or another foolish "assault weapons" ban.

As he points out "almost all gun owners in America are highly responsible." He also mentions that Americans buy firearms for hunting, target shooting, collecting and protection."

His comments are not what some who oppose firearm ownership will want to hear.

edited to add quotation marks.







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Maine_Nurse Donating Member (688 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 04:25 PM
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1. Absolutely!
We have enough firearms laws and restrictions on the books, the primary problems are that those laws are often not enforced or short-circuited by prosecutors that plea bargain felonies (which would prevent ownership of firearms) down to misdemeanors to save time and effort.
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rl6214 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 04:31 PM
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2. +1 REC
Well said.
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 04:33 PM
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3. K&R- I had hoped he would finally say something like this...
I recently read some rumor somewhere that he went to a range with some of his secret service protective detail and was shooting some of their weapons...I was thinking that that experience might have changed his thinking somewhat, and if that story is true, maybe it has...

mark
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VoteProgressive Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 05:59 PM
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7. How would shooting a gun at a range change his mind?
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 06:44 PM
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12. Knowledge is power..
A lot of the folks that I know who used to be violently anti-gun had never been around guns or shooting.

They were convinced that unfired rounds had to be treated like old sticks of dynamite that were sweating nitroglycerin; that a gun would just 'go off' at the slightest jostle or bump; that a handgun would put a fist-sized crater in anything (regardless of caliber)..

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VoteProgressive Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 06:56 PM
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14. I see your point but think Obama is not that uninformed.
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Atypical Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 10:11 AM
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32. Experience is different from information.
You can read or be told about a thing all you want. The experience of actually doing a thing is entirely different.

One huge example that springs to mind is parenthood. :)
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HankyDubs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 12:09 PM
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47. holy crap
looks like you guys are thinking about giving birth to a little baby gun. Parenting your gun in the 21st century must be difficult.
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Atypical Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 01:50 PM
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52. Giving birth to a gun?
>looks like you guys are thinking about giving birth to a little baby gun. Parenting your gun in the 21st century must be difficult.

Nah. Someone asked how shooting a gun could change your opinion of guns, especially since President Obama must surely be well informed.

I'm simply saying that for many things, no matter how informed you are, actually doing it gives you a lot more insight about it.

Parenthood is a prime example, but there are countless others. Doing math problems, driving a car, swimming, flying an airplane, etc. etc.
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gejohnston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 04:06 PM
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59. good MLK quote, but I like mine better
"Finally, I contended that the debate over the question of self-defense was unnecessary since few people suggested that Negroes should not defend themselves as individuals when attacked. The question was not whether one should use his gun when his home was attacked, but whether it was tactically wise to use a gun while participating in an organized demonstration." Martin Luther King, Jr., Where Do We Go From Here: Chaos or Community?
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 04:21 PM
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60. How are you so sure of that?
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right2bfree Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-11 02:56 AM
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65. What part of " an unbalanced man shouldn't be able to buy a gun so easily"...
...dont you get?

We dont want mentally unstable people able to buy guns legally, do we?

I know I sure dont and neither does my neighbors family.
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 01:44 PM
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51. I have taken several people to a shooting range and introduced them to shooting ...
at first they were a little hesitant and somewhat fearful, but after they fired a few rounds they really started to enjoy the experience. They often said that shooting was not as easy as it looks, but it is fun.

Why would Obama be any different.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 04:34 PM
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4. K&R. nt
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Pullo Donating Member (367 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 05:53 PM
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5. Great statement by Obama
He focused on the right things. No mentioning of stupid ideas floating around like a new AWB or more specifically like banning hi-cap mags.
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VoteProgressive Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 05:58 PM
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6. Lets see if the 100s of right wing pro-gun sights, that are easy to find, agree...
that Obama is a reasonable man and agree with his statements.

Or if the NRA praises it.



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cleanhippie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 06:14 PM
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9. It will be interesting to see.
Although, as with most right wing sites, Obama could say he wants to give free guns away, and they would still demonize him for it, so I hope you are really not expecting some grand agreement. I'm not.
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VoteProgressive Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 06:17 PM
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10. I wish it would happen.....
Just like I hope the ACLU would praise Bush if did something the ACLU liked.

But I agree, the DU did not compliment Bush much. Same difference I think.
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cleanhippie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 06:12 PM
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8. Yeah, pretty good article. Makes sense, recognizes what does not work to stop crime...
I was surprised.
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Jester Messiah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 06:24 PM
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11. Wisconsin, Japan, Libya... and THIS is what he's talking about??
Fucking useless.
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Hoyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 06:54 PM
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13. Good , as long as he doesn't set bad example - like many here - and strap one to his leg in public.
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lawodevolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 08:14 PM
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15. if he did he'd win by a wide margin in the next election.
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 08:30 PM
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16. Imagine the votes he would get if he were filmed practicing shooting on the range ...
with the Secret Service. That would impress voters far more than his playing basketball.

Vladimir Putin would do it if he were an American President.



(Yes, I did notice his finger on the trigger. He does have a unique style of wearing his hearing protection and I guess the Russians don't worry as much about eye protection as we do.)
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Hoyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 10:15 PM
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19. Vladimir was more impressive at Karate. Any ole fool can shoot a paper target.
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Hoyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 10:13 PM
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18. Don't really care for the votes of RWingers, T-baggers and such who vote based upon love of guns.

Guns and bullets have become quite popular since Obama was elected. That ought to tell you something about those who've been buying.
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Factoid Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 10:32 PM
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21. Yes, electoral victory is FAR less important
than an ideological purity hotly debated even within your own party.

... Are you certain you're not a republican plant?
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kelly1mm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 10:53 PM
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22. What about rural/suburban Democratic leaning independents who
value their constitutional rights? Do you care about those votes? If not you should as it is almost impossible to win a national and many state wide elections without them.
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Hoyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 11:30 PM
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23. Constitutional Right? I have the right to do a lot of things I think are best not done.

You definitely have the CRight to leave em at home. Not so sure about the right to stroll around with a gun in public.
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kelly1mm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 01:51 AM
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26. Sorry, I was responding to your follow up comment that referenced
"love of guns". I see now that your original comment was about open carry. I will have to admit, open carry types do seem to be either way right or libertarians. I see your point.
I would say that an open hostility to guns and gun ownership in general is not a winning electoral strategy, especially among 'reachable' independents.
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 10:09 AM
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31. I think I'm pretty liberal, and I open carry.
I remember something about "a big tent", but some folks here think you must pass some sort of vetting to be allowed entrance...
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kelly1mm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 06:12 PM
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61. I am a big supporter of 2nd ammendment rights so I am right there
with you on the big tent. I have a consealed weapon permit so I don't have to open carry so I guess I never thought of it that much.
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GreenStormCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 10:02 AM
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28. What part of "bear arms" are you having trouble with? N/T
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Hoyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 11:55 AM
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43. The part about "well regulated militia." Are you in one? In any event, you CAN leave them at home.
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 11:58 AM
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44. You need to send a letter to Obama. He thinks it's an individual right, too.
Edited on Mon Mar-14-11 11:58 AM by X_Digger
Perhaps you and he should have a chat, and you can disabuse him of his silly notions.

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Hoyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 12:18 PM
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48. But he's not endorsing carrying in public.
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 01:23 PM
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49. So you retract your "militia" schtick? n/t
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cleanhippie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 07:48 PM
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62. Youre wasting your time, as he runs away as soon as his arguments fall apart.
Sometimes not before throwing out an insult like his grand-pappy does is restaurants.
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DonP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 03:43 PM
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57. Really? Funny it sounds like he is.
"Now, like the majority of Americans, I believe that the Second Amendment guarantees an individual right to bear arms. And the courts have settled that as the law of the land."

So, I guess the President disagrees with you and thinks that most Americans do too. Please note his reference is specifically to "Bear Arms", not Keep Arms.
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GreenStormCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 02:44 PM
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55. Still beating that dead horse? N/T
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cleanhippie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 11:17 AM
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39. If you are not sure, you should read the several SCOTUS decisions that will clarify it for you.
Edited on Mon Mar-14-11 11:18 AM by cleanhippie
But ignorance is bliss, right?
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MicaelS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 09:01 PM
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63. Hoyt, the single best reason to own a gun,
After personal and family defense is as a gesture of defiance. To thoroughly piss off those who are anti-gun. Just think of all those guns out there as giant metal, wood and plastic middle fingers. :woohoo: :popcorn:
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GreenStormCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 10:00 AM
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27. You must have loved the elections of 1994 and 2010. N/T
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 12:01 PM
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cleanhippie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 11:16 AM
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38. Which is EXACTLY why people like you LOSE elections.
Its such a travesty to see when someone allows the entire ship to sink because they are blinded by their irrational fears. YOUR mentality is the reason Dems lose elections, Hoyt. Why can't you see that?
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cleanhippie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 11:14 AM
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37. Did you just get hired to be the "whats a good and bad example" decider?
If so, we are all truly fucked.
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MyrnaLoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 08:50 PM
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17. So
will the NRA give him an A+ and support him in the next election? I think we all know the answer to that don't we.
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Factoid Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 10:31 PM
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20. Due to his background, not an A+,
Edited on Sun Mar-13-11 10:39 PM by Factoid
as they do use voting records, and he did vote for many local laws IIRC, however I wouldn't be suprised if they upgraded him from F to something higher.
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oneshooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 10:15 AM
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34.  A lot will depend on the "reforms" that he proposes. n/t
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 12:27 AM
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24. Tightening backgound check info without violating civil liberties = position of many proRKBA DUers

I wish he would disavow some of his previous positions explicitly, but this state is a good one.

Many of us proRKBA DUers have supported the same solutions -- work on the background check system without violating other civil liberties.

The best part of this statement is what is not in it. No mag limits, no AWBs, no gunshow loophole rhetoric, etc. Those who support the Brady Campagn and VPC must feel completely abandoned.
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Pullo Donating Member (367 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 01:10 AM
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25. They are on pretty familiar ground .....
On an island, isolated, with crickets chirping ....
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GreenStormCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 10:12 AM
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33. They will try to spin it that "commonsense" means everything they want. N/T
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 11:03 AM
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36. No doubt they will publicly call this a victory, but deep down they know they have been ditched

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jeepnstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 10:07 AM
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29. He really takes the cake.
"Now, like the majority of Americans, I believe that the Second Amendment guarantees an individual right to bear arms. And the courts have settled that as the law of the land." - B. Obama


I wonder how the tin foil crowd is going to twist that one? I liked him when I first started noticing his political star on the rise. Now that he's in office, I like him more. I don't agree 100% with everything he does or doesn't do but at least we have a thought process in the White House. I'll vote for him again. No doubt about that.
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cleanhippie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 11:20 AM
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40. Yep, that pretty much cements his position. I like it.
Too bad so many ideologues here are blinded by their hatred of inanimate objects that they are will to lose elections over it.
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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 10:08 AM
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30. This is very encouraging. Improving the implementation of the existing background check system
is a very good idea, and I am encouraged that he did not endorse any of the gun bans or pre-Civil-War magazine capacity limits that the lobbyists and media have been pushing.
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Atypical Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 10:22 AM
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35. This is a big deal. I really should be in LBN instead of Guns.
This is a huge statement from President Obama.

Essentially, his firearms policy statement indicates that we do nothing more than we are currently doing, except improve the accuracy of the data in the NICS database, which I am all for.

"Now, like the majority of Americans, I believe that the Second Amendment guarantees an individual right to bear arms. And the courts have settled that as the law of the land."

"And, in fact, my administration has not curtailed the rights of gun owners - it has expanded them, including allowing people to carry their guns in national parks and wildlife refuges."

"The fact is, almost all gun owners in America are highly responsible. They're our friends and neighbors. They buy their guns legally and use them safely, whether for hunting or target shooting, collection or protection. And that's something that gun-safety advocates need to accept."

" First, we should begin by enforcing laws that are already on the books. The National Instant Criminal Background Check System is the filter that's supposed to stop the wrong people from getting their hands on a gun. Bipartisan legislation four years ago was supposed to strengthen this system, but it hasn't been properly implemented. It relies on data supplied by states - but that data is often incomplete and inadequate. We must do better.

Second, we should in fact reward the states that provide the best data - and therefore do the most to protect our citizens.

Third, we should make the system faster and nimbler. We should provide an instant, accurate, comprehensive and consistent system for background checks to sellers who want to do the right thing, and make sure that criminals can't escape it."


About the only aspect of his message that piqued my interest was this passage:

"Porous background checks are bad for police officers, for law-abiding citizens and for the sellers themselves. If we're serious about keeping guns away from someone who's made up his mind to kill, then we can't allow a situation where a responsible seller denies him a weapon at one store, but he effortlessly buys the same gun someplace else."

Emphasis mine. Note that he did not say "buys the same gun from another store". Obviously, because NICS would deny a sale at the second store just as it did at the first store. So clearly what he must be talking about here is private sales. This is the part of the message that worries me. I don't mind requiring background checks for all sales, as long as anonymous firearm ownership is preserved.

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cleanhippie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 11:23 AM
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41. "I believe that the Second Amendment guarantees an individual right to bear arms" - Right on!
Now, like the majority of Americans, I believe that the Second Amendment guarantees an individual right to bear arms. And the courts have settled that as the law of the land.


What more is there to say? LOVE IT!

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lawodevolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 11:46 AM
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42. Sounds like Obama agrees with the NRA on the gun issue.
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right2bfree Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-11 02:51 AM
Response to Reply #42
64. Exactly. We need to get the guns out of mentally ill peoples' hands.
Edited on Wed Mar-16-11 02:52 AM by right2bfree
How can anyone NOT support that kind of law????
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HankyDubs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 12:05 PM
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46. Obama said confiscation!
FREAK OUT!!! Obama wanna grab are guns!
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Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 01:33 PM
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50. "I believe that the Second Amendment guarantees an individual right to bear arms"
This must be a real punch in the gut to all the anti gun authoritarians. No doubt they're still waiting for Obama to propose or support new gun control legislation, but it just isn't going to happen. Those that support RKBA continue to win the day..

"The fact is, almost all gun owners in America are highly responsible. They're our friends and neighbors"





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jeepnstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 02:21 PM
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53. I think I have a new sig line!
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 02:43 PM
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54. I like it! (n/t)
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Atypical Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 04:01 PM
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58. Awesome. I think I might do the same! n/t
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pipoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 02:52 PM
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56. I wonder when the ALCU-E1 (Except One) will get on board?
"Now, like the majority of Americans, I believe that the Second Amendment guarantees an individual right to bear arms."
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