2 injured in accidential shooting at Illinois gun show

[47of74]

Source: Quad City Times

BLOOMINGTON, Ill. — Authorities say one of two men injured during an accidental shooting at a central Illinois gun show is in critical but stable condition after surgery.

McLean County Sheriff Mike Emery told The (Bloomington) Pantagraph he wouldn’t identify either of the people injured during the incident Saturday at the ECA Gun and Knife Show in Bloomington. Emery says the incident is still under investigation.

According to Emery, the second man wounded was treated at a local hospital and released.

Emery earlier said the bullet was accidentally fired and went through a thick wooden post before striking the two men.

Read more: http://qctimes.com/news/state-and-regional/illinois/art...

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Sigh.

[defendandprotect]

1. "Guns don't kill people -- !!! Yikes!!

[AtheistCrusader]

7. In this case, it didn't.

[cleanhippie]

9. You are right, this time! No one was killed!

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[TheCowsCameHome]

4. This is a duplicate,

but it's still a thing of beauty.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Watch 'em come runnin' from the cave, again. Every reason in the world why it's no big deal and nobody's
fault.

[AtheistCrusader]

8. It's absolutely someone's fault.

Possibly multiple somebodies.

Build that strawman a little bigger next time. This was too easy to push over.

[TheCowsCameHome]

12. I wonder who's fault it was?

Obama's?

[AtheistCrusader]

13. It was the fault of the person who put the round in the chamber.

If it was an additional person, also the fault of the person who pulled the trigger.
Possibly also the fault of the seller for not tying back and locking out the action on the rifle so this could not physically happen, depending on the rules of the gun show.

[TheCowsCameHome]

14. Or the person that didn't remove it

before pulling the trigger.

Rules notwithstanding, someone there was a idiot. Pure and simple.

[May Hamm]

16. I thought 'dry firing' was bad for a gun.

If it is why would a seller allow it? And why would anyone pick up a strange gun at a gun show and start pulling the trigger anyway?

I don't know much about guns and I haven't been to a gun show for years but still, these are simple questions. I'm not trying to be negative but I'd be hesitant to go to any gun show if I thought people just randomly load bullets into guns then put them back down. I mean, a table full of loaded guns and strangers everywhere just boggles the mind.

[AtheistCrusader]

19. They usually don't.

In WA state, the WAC gun shows require no loose ammo, no loaded weapons of any kind, not even concealed carry permit holders, and the action on every weapon must be tied open, holding the bolt back or open as well.

So no dry fires, etc.

That show may have different rules, or perhaps the rules were not rigorously enforced.
I will assume they will be from now on.

[May Hamm]

20. Thanks.

Those sound like good rules.

[RamboLiberal]

26. One reason would be to check the trigger pull weight & if gritty

I ask permission of a vendor to pull the trigger to check the weapon's trigger pull weight. Of course all the vendors I've encountered first show the weapon is empty. I check if it is empty. And still I make sure to point it in a safe direction, usually at the floor away from both of us.

I'm having a bit of an issue with cervical herniated discs and some arthritis that make some DAO triggers near impossible and uncomfortable for me personally.

[AtheistCrusader]

18. Agreed.

I don't know about that state's gun show rules, but generally, loose ammo is verboten, and all actions must be tied open (which also eliminates the yahoots that like to dry fire everything.)

Multiple failures in safety is evidenced here. All negligence, not 'accidents'.

[DonP]

27. That's the rules here in Illinois too

All guns at the show are cleared at the entry point by the state troopers responsible for every show, they also help run the NICS check station. They are all zip tied on entry with bolts tied open and trigger zip ties so that you can't use the bolt or the trigger, even by accident. Somebody got real sloppy here, could be the trooper and the seller.

I read "it fired" when it was being set on the table.

Sounds like somebody had wandering fingers and will be in a heap of crap and probably lose their FFL.

[1776Forever]

5. Guns kill. We have a local flea market here that sells loads of guns legally from backs of cars.

This should not be allowed!

[cleanhippie]

10. You want to ban flea markets?

[schrodinger_I]

6. We gotta ban guns!

This is just atrocious. Guns kill people. We don't have a need for guns in the modern age. Only law enforcement and military should have them.
We are not hunter-gatherers any more..


/Sarcasm

[benld74]

11. Almost A Darwin 2011 Winner!

[slackmaster]

15. For being an innocent bystander and hit by a bullet that was unintentionally fired?

I think you have your definition of Darwin Award nominees a bit confused.

[KansasVoter]

17. I thought the smarter gun owners would be at gun shows.

[AtheistCrusader]

21. An exceedingly rare example.

Might be the 3rd I've seen in my entire life.

[KansasVoter]

22. Only the third Gun Show accident?

[AtheistCrusader]

23. That I have seen.

WAC shows are extremely rigorous on the rules, and they patrol, and look for people not following the rules. We also have a heavy police presence, both sellers and buyers, as well as on-duty officers patrolling.

Makes for a kid-safe environment.

[RamboLiberal]

24. I know of 2

This one & an accident that happened several years ago in my area. In fact a member of gun club I now belong to was wounded slightly. No, the show wasn't at the club.

On edit google I found several more including 1 death back in 2002. But then I've heard of more deaths of spectators at motor car & drag races.

LAWRENCEVILLE, Ga. -- A gun show concession owner has been charged in the accidental shooting death of a 13-year-old Alabama boy at a gun show last month.

Gwinnett County police charged Cleveland Lewis Chaney, 57, of O'Brien, Fla., with a misdemeanor charge of involuntary manslaughter. Police said Chaney owned a concession that sold holsters and related items at an Eastman Gun Shows event in the Atlanta suburb of Norcross, where Steven Bray King, of Prattville, Ala., was shot.

Chaney put his personal gun in a holster in a demonstration for King and his father, Anthony Grant, 38, and the gun fired, police said. King was shot in the head with one bullet, and died later at an Atlanta hospital.

Police spokesman Ray Dunlap said investigators have not determined who pulled the trigger. Chaney was charged because it was his gun and because the shooting happened at his booth, Dunlap said.

http://savannahnow.com/stories/082302/LOCgunshow.shtml

[RamboLiberal]

25. ATF investigating shooting at gun show

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Emery said the investigation into the incident is ongoing. The federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms is working with the sheriff's office to determine if federal rules against having loaded weapons at a gun show were violated and if so, by whom, said the sheriff.

"The bureau will be conducting ballistic tests and analyzing the weapon to see why it discharged," Emery said. "They are the experts when it comes to these matters."

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The rifle is owned by Scott Simpson of Hoopeston. Emery said Simpson gave it to Robert Rigdon of Gold and Diamond Exchange Pawn Shop Inc. of Urbana, who was to sell it on consignment.

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"The investigation is continuing into why this weapon was loaded and on display," Emery said. "We know that the weapon was on consignment through the vendor. What we continue to investigate is if the owner safety-checked the weapon prior to turning it over to the vendor and if the vendor performed a safety check prior to placing it on display."

http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_0416d7fa-4...

[X_Digger]

28. 'federal rules against loaded weapons at a gun show/??

Err, anyone heard of that?