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Atypical Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 09:00 AM
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Egypt provides another example for why people should be armed.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/01/30/egypt.securi...

"By night, some defied a government curfew and took to the streets again -- armed with guns, swords and sticks to fend off looters and protect their homes.

Many streets in the nation's capital were left without security after police stopped patrolling.

Kareem Amer told CNN that houses in his Cairo neighborhood had been ransacked.

"We've been hearing gunshots left and right all night long. ... The men of each household have come down and formed their own group militias holding down security for every building," he said."


When the tenuous fabric of civilization tears, it's up to the people to defend their neighborhoods, homes, and families.
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shadowrider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 09:02 AM
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1. Well, I don't know about there, but we're told that here, the police are there to protect us n/t
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 09:14 AM
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3. They tell the same thing there
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 09:10 AM
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2. You mean there really is looting happening in the chaos?
I am truly shocked.
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lawodevolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 09:33 AM
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4. Gun control produces a filter effect to move guns over to the hands of criminals
Because law abiding people will get rid of their guns if they are illegal, criminals will not so in the end situations like what's going on in Mexico occur because by now most normal average law abiding people in mexico are disarmed while the few evil people still do what it takes to get a gun.

Revolts in countries like Egypt can be successful without an armed population if other governments have enough influence on them, but look at Iran. A revolt in iran will only work if the population is heavily armed.
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KansasVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 11:27 AM
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5. Long guns in the home is all we need to protect ourself's. Not CCW,
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rrneck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 11:53 AM
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6. Absoulutely.
As long as you never go outside. I'm sure that will work just fine for you.
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Atypical Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 12:59 PM
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7. How do you protect yourself when you are not at home?
Long guns in the home is all we need to protect ourself's. Not CCW,

Long arms are also more appropriate for the sort of task the Egyptians are up against. But that aside, how do you protect yourself when you are not at home?
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KansasVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 01:00 PM
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8. By not being paranoid and insecure!
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lawodevolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 01:15 PM
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10. It seems you are paranoid of and insecure when common people have the same power as the government
We all know you'd rather that our government would rule us at gunpoint while we are disarmed, but I'd rather maintain my political equality to the ruling class and maintain the right to keep and BARE arms.
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Tejas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 01:45 PM
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12. Better you be the statistic than me.
Thank you for your sacrifice.
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KansasVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 02:09 PM
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14. Perfect quote to prove my point. Running around scared of your shadow!
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Tejas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 02:26 PM
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16. uh huh, and you leave your doors unlocked at night.
Obvious hypocrite is.....umm....obvious.


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lawodevolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 03:22 PM
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21. Meanwhile you are scared of those law abiding citizens with CCW, so are rapists
Edited on Sun Jan-30-11 03:23 PM by lawodevolution
And other criminals.
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 02:32 PM
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18. You might well feel paranoid and insecure if you were on the streets in Egypt ...
in the current chaos, being armed would make little difference in how you felt.
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NewMoonTherian Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 10:45 PM
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22. I can introduce you to people...
whose lives were saved by taking actions you describe as paranoid and insecure. How can you refute this? On what grounds can you invalidate my position?
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Atypical Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 08:57 AM
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23. If I can defend myself in my home, why not out of the home?
You said it's OK to have long arms in the home for self-defense. If self-defense is appropriate inside the home, why is it that wanting to be able to defend oneself outside the home makes one paranoid and insecure?

Also, let me ask you this: Since people who go to the trouble to get CCW permits are many times less likely to be involved in crime than your average citizen, what's the harm in letting them be armed even if they were paranoid and insecure?
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lawodevolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 01:11 PM
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9. Well CCW shall issue is still spreading and is in most states now, too bad, you lost that one
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 01:27 PM
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11. And if someone is one-handed?
I guess they are SOL, because you'll never volunteer to help them, will you?
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KansasVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 02:09 PM
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15. What about no arms? Work on that foe a while. Invent something!
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 03:13 PM
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20. What you asked for:
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Tejas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 02:31 PM
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17. We gave full-auto AK-47's to Iraqi citizens, and even though
even though Egypt manufacters their own AK's right there in downtown Cairo, the Egyptian .gov hasn't been so liberal towards their own citizens. I find that strange.
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 03:10 PM
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19. That works for you. It doesn't work for me.
I live in a large old house that was once a hotel with a number of people who are coming and going at all hours. Occasionally people stay with us for a period of time. For example a local police officer stayed in our home for a year after his divorce. He remarried and for a while we also had his wife and her child living with us. We also had another police officer who had quit the force and stayed with us while he was in between jobs. One of my daughter's friends was in Puerto Rico for six months and her fifteen year old son roomed with us.

The police officer worked different shifts and often his friends would stop by to visit in the middle of the night. His wife worked police dispatch and also worked different shifts.

Sometimes a truly odd noise would wake me up in the middle of the night and I would decide to go investigate. (I realize that playing Wyatt Earp is not a good idea but I had my daughter, her husband and two grandchildren to worry about.)

I could have walked out of my bedroom with a 12 gauge coach gun and scared the shit out of some innocent visitor, which would have been foolish. Instead I slipped a S&W Model 642 snub nosed .38 revolver into my pants pocket. Often I would encounter a visitor. I would simply say hello and walk to the kitchen to get a glass of water.

All the visitor ever noticed was an older overweight man with his hand innocently in his pants pocket.

My choices were:



or



One time the police officer who was in between jobs, my daughter and myself stopped by a nearby fast food joint. While he had been on the force, he had made some enemies but he didn't have a CCW so he no longer could legally carry. He must have noticed something or someone who was suspicious as he whispered to us, "Are you carrying?"

My daughter and I laughed as we both were armed. I have a concealed weapons permit as does my daughter and her husband.

We look at it as it is better to have a carry permit and not need it than it is to not have a permit and need one.

A prime example of that was when my daughter attracted a stalker. She filed a restraining order but this fool violated it with impunity. Everywhere my daughter went she encountered the stalker. Of course she reported every violation to the police, but little seemed to happen. One day this cockroach pushed a bit too far. I witnessed the violation as did a store owner. The police officer who arrived arrested the stalker and after a trail he spend five weekends in jail. He appears to have learned his lesson.

My daughter would have lived in fear had she not had a concealed weapons permit. The stalker had a lengthy arrest record including several incidents of violence including resisting arrest. My daughter had no desire to shoot the stalker, and while he appear to love acting in a threatening manner in order to scare her, he never did attack. She would have shot him without the slightest hesitation if he had.
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Tejas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 01:49 PM
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13. So 5,000 walked out of the penitentiary, so what?
Probably just misunderstood individuals with traffic warrants, no hardened criminals so what's the worry with local citizens needing to be armed? :sarcasm:
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