"No Guns for Negros"

[Atypical Liberal]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZiDZF2Jq-g

Found this via reddit. This movie shows the racist origins of gun control in America.

[shadowrider]

1. ??

Has that video been properly vetted and peer-reviewed by a reputable and non-partisan group such as the VPC and/or Brady Campaign?

[Euromutt]

2. Oh, come on!

How many black people are there in the leadership of both the Brady Campaign and the VPC? Sugarmann might be Jewish, given his name, but he's probably just of German descent.

[consigli]

19. What???

Are you implying the Brady campaign is unbiased? They are the leading gun grabbing group in America. Just saying.

[shadowrider]

20. You're new here and don't know me very well

Read my other posts

Never interrupt an enemy when they're making a mistake - The Art of War

Shadowriders corollary - When the enemy is in the process of making a mistake, and the end result is to your clear and distinct advantage, assist as much as possible.

[consigli]

23. Gotcha...

Wink, wink

[friendly_iconoclast]

26. That's why I donate to the Brady Campaign. They need our help.

After all, somebody has to be the Washington Generals for the NRA, and it might as well be them!

[wtmusic]

3. Ignoring the effect of handguns on the black community is what is racist

But what's a Negro here or there when a hobby is at stake?

[shadowrider]

4. Yet you'd deny the black community the effective means to defend themselves

through useless gun bans and restrictions leaving only the bad guys to prey upon said community.

I'M SO CONFUSED..

[safeinOhio]

6. I wouldn't want to deny

large communities the right to determine what gun laws and who to vote for mayor for their own community. That would be pretty racist too.

[shadowrider]

8. Agreed, but it happens. To wit: Chicago and D.C. n/t

[Statistical]

58. Tyranny of the majority.

Large communities in the southern states voted for a low of things which violated civil rights.

Self defense is a human right. The state takes no responsibility for the protection of its citizens. A state that would deny effective self defense and then at the same time say it has no duty to protect is tyrannical.

[Riftaxe]

15. The poster stated "what's a Negro here or there"

so he is callous at best...and probably not worth dwelling on the type of human being who would make such a comment since on the face of it they are not worthy of contempt.

[Maine_Nurse]

9. That statement is completely without merit.

The "effects" of handguns in the black community are the result of criminals with firearms. That is already illegal. There are no new restrictions that will ever change the fact that criminals ignore laws, only further prevent law-abiding citizens from protecting themselves.

I'd even go so far as to say your statement is racist. You certainly aren't talking about Colin Powell or BHO's communities, you are speaking of the "poor" communities--supporting a stereotype.

[wtmusic]

11. No, racist is you trotting out Colin Powell's neighborhood as the shining

example of African Americans enjoying equal opportunity in the US.

Do you want to compare statistics on ethnic divisions of poverty? Or how many completely innocent African-American kids are killed by cheap, easily available handguns compared to other ethnicities? I didn't think so.

[shadowrider]

12. That's a strawman argument

Nowhere did he say Colin Powells neighborhood is a shing example. YOU said that and YOU are now attacking the (twisted) words as if HE said them.

And you wonder why your side is consistently losing.

[Maine_Nurse]

17. No, YOU are lumping all blacks together.

I was pointing out that you were stereotyping. And as I said, the vast majority of those firearms crimes are committed under situations which are already prohibited by existing laws such as the possessor being already disqualified from ownership or carrying/using in an illegal manner. No new law will ever stop that.

Switch our topic to narcotic pain relievers. My state has one of the highest prescription drug abuse rates in the nation (far far higher than heroin). There is no doubt that these drugs are dangerous and contribute greatly to social and legal difficulties when used by criminals. So should we just stop making them altogether because of the criminals? Screw the cancer victims and surgical patients? Wouldn't work because heroin would just take back over as soon as the pharmaceuticals were gone and you'd just be punishing law abiding citizens. Same type of situation.

So, in effect, you are advocating to disarm/restrict all people, based upon the statistics from impoverished black communities, knowing full well that only the law abiding citizens, including all of the law-abiding black citizens in those communities, will actually comply. Hell, that is class-ism against good citizens vs criminals, regardless of race; economic stereotyping; and even racism as you are basing your argument on the implied statement that poor black people, are not responsible enough to own firearms.

[Katya Mullethov]

24. Implied and not uttered

""the implied statement that poor black people, are not responsible enough to own firearms.""

But worn out in the open , for all the honest word to see .

[wtmusic]

29. Do 34,000 Americans die every year from prescription drug abuse?

How many lives do easy-to-purchase cheap, over the counter handguns save compared to prescription drugs?

Are dangerous prescription drugs already more controlled than handguns?

Everything that's dangerous should be controlled, especially those things which serve a marginal need, coddle people with insecurities, or represent a hobby.

[Maine_Nurse]

42. Yup

Using data from 2007 (latest complete data), prescription opioid deaths alone jumped to over 14000. Total prescription abuse deaths at around 40,000. In that same time frame we were looking at around 29000 firearms deaths. (From CDC MMWR, August 2010).

Here, we lose dozens to drug OD for every one firearm death.

You're statement that everything dangerous should be controlled is completely ridiculous. Foods, modern conveniences, ALCOHOL, etc, etc, etc. You gonna push for a kitchen knife and bathtub ban? Come on now.

[wtmusic]

47. Alcohol? Controlled. Food? Controlled. Knives? Controlled. Epic fail.

Go to a sporting goods store and ask for a Bowie Knife. Or send your kid to a store to buy you a fifth of Jack Daniels.

Do you know what "FDA" stands for?

I'd be happy to address your other points when you provide links. Until then, it's hearsay.

[krispos42]

49. Guns? Controlled.

Unless, of course, you choose to make your own hooch, grow your own food, or forge your own blade.

Or buy from somebody that will straw-purchase it for your.

[Maine_Nurse]

52. The only fail was yours

I can buy a Bowie knife here. So can a kid for that matter. Although I do suspect that other states might regulate knives more than we do. As to alcohol, well its only an age limit. Would you be happy with a 21 year age limit for purchase of 50 round magazines? I'd give you that one.

Bathtubs are extremely dangerous and account for a significant number of injuries and even deaths in the US. Same with kitchen knives, electricity, water, etc, etc, etc. If you don't know that then too bad. Snow shovels should also be regulated since they contribute to a significant number of myocardial infarctions every year. How about power tools, cotton swabs (yup, many ear injuries every year) etc, etc, etc.

Does the FDA control who can buy what foods? Is there an age limit or purchase limit on Doritos? No doubts as to the dangers of junk food and overeating. We are one of the most obese states in the union and that is hundreds if not thousands of times more dangerous than firearms here. We had 12 illegal firearms deaths yet many many obesity related deaths, not even considering the uncountable number of chronic and acute illnesses directly caused by obesity.

Your statement about regulating every dangerous thing was just plain ridiculous. There is your fail.

[lawodevolution]

39. wtmusic, I'll explain why you are racist

You are implying that african americans need to be disarmed because if they have the same easy availability of guns as whites in rural areas crime would go up, I disagree.

Explain to me why whites should have access to guns while african americans who are poor should have to jump through more hoops and pay more money to practice the same right.

[wtmusic]

46. Actually no, I'm not.

You're not even close.

I'm not for "disarming" anyone, so we can eliminate that typical NRA kneejerk right off the bat.

I'm for making handguns more difficult to purchase for everyone. What is racist is making any minority bear the brunt of a social ill because it doesn't affect us.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

50. incremental disarmament...

that is the goal your masters and idols have evidently wirked into your mind.

[wtmusic]

51. Paranoia was once used to describe any delusional state

but has come to mean "persecutory beliefs concerning a perceived threat towards oneself" - which afflicts rabid gun activists on many, many levels.

There, there...you can keep your blankee.

[Maine_Nurse]

53. Pot, meet kettle

And your reactions aren't just as paranoid and knee-jerk?

[lawodevolution]

59. "I'm for making handguns more difficult to purchase for everyone"

I wonder who it effects more if guns triple in price, a banker making 250,000 per year or someone less fortunate making 20,000 per year. The job of the government is not to make it disproportionately harder for someone to practice a constitutional right just because he was not as fortunate in life compared to a banker who could easily pay the increased price.

and the tactic you are using is to reduce the number of gun owners, and reduce the power of gun rights activists which will allow you to take a step by step approach at disarming people here just like they did in the UK.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

27. You ignore the history and current status of gun control when you deny its racist and classist roots

[Glassunion]

62. The effect of handguns on the black community. I would love to hear your opinion.

My community.

My community has for years been shuffled to the outskirts of every major city in the United States, where we(the minority) have very little say in how we are governed by those in charge of our major cities.

My community has had to put up with different sets of rules because we don't have the money or political pull.

My community has had to endure violations of our civil rights in the name of "Community Safety".

My community can not expect a police officer to show up for hours after being called, because they need to wait for 10 more units before they feel safe enough to drive up our streets.

My community scares those in charge because it is not they who rule us, but the thugs and criminals who have taken over our streets.

My community is forced to foster more hate and more crime because we are not wanted in anyone else's back yard.

My community is herded into the smallest of corners and stacked on top of each other, to fester and brew.

My community overall, is being told by people like you that we are not allowed to defend ourselves. We are not allowed to take back our own neighborhoods. We are not allowed to feel safe and secure in our own homes. We are told it is for our own good as if we are children unable to see what is outside our own front door.

So, when most of us are poor, and cannot leave, those like you tell us we are not Americans. We have not earned($$$) that right. Some of us live in project housing that I once called home. But looking back, it was not my home. We were homeless with roofs over our head. I'll explain.

You blamed the guns in our communities for our problems. It was not the drugs, gangs, poor health care, low minimum wage, shitty education system, etc... It was the guns. So those like you took them away through the loophole that since it was government subsidized housing, that it was not our home, but your home. And since it was your home, you could do what you wanted. So those like you declared that we could not have guns. Folks like you also decided that the only way to enforce your rules in your house, was to send in your jack-booted thugs, door to door going through our(your) homes.

My community is a band of gypsies. We are not Americans in the eyes of people like you. Americans have rights, civil, natural and inherent. People like you would strip us of those rights without our vote.

“If the personal freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution inhibit the government's ability to govern the people, we should look to limit those guarantees.” And… “When we got organized as a country and we wrote a fairly radical Constitution with a radical Bill of Rights, giving a radical amount of individual freedom to Americans ... And so a lot of people say there's too much personal freedom. When personal freedom's being abused, you have to move to limit it. That's what we did in the announcement I made last weekend on the public housing projects, about how we're going to have weapon sweeps and more things like that to try to make people safer in their communities.”

So we have no vote... We have no say. While those like you would toss aside with a smug sense of self-satisfaction our 2nd, 4th, 5th and 15th Amendment rights into the toilet of a bullshit ideal. An ideal that those like you would call "common sense" or "reasonable" and that you did your part for the Negroes.

You can take that "hobby" idea elsewhere. This Negro will have none of it.

Maybe if you open your eyes, and see it from the other side of the fence, you may realize that sometimes, no matter how hard you try. That there are some things that you cannot fix with a simple answer. That the issue is far more complex than it seems on the only surface that you can see. It is not so simple as a hobby. It is not so simple as taking away our toys.

Ask yourself these two questions. How many times have you and your significant other(if you have one) been a victim of violent crime? How many times have you and your significant other(if you have one) had your civil rights violated because you were a victim of violent crime?

Do you think your answer and mine would be the same?

[Glassunion]

66. Still waiting for reply...

[shadowrider]

67. You'll grow way old waiting n/t

[Glassunion]

68. Ya think?

[madrchsod]

5. one of the "shocking" pictures in the 60`s

the black panthers brought loaded weapons into the california state capital. at that time it was legal to carry a gun into the state capital. needless to say the law was changed.

[geckosfeet]

7. Black Panthers aside - the civil rights movement was largely through non-violence.

More Panthers died by the gun than lived by it.

[GreenStormCloud]

16. Google "Deacons for Defense and Justice" N/T

[geckosfeet]

28. And I don't get your point. MLK advocated non-violence.

How many FBI agents, Klan members and white supremacists did you hear about being assassinated?

Deacons for Defense and Justice

One member Harvey Johnson was "interviewed" by two agents who asked only about the idea of how the Deacons obtained their weapons. No such questions about Klan activity or police brutality were ever asked.

Pulling out the scary black men with guns card is ok - but you have to know when and how to do it.

This is a big fail.

[friendly_iconoclast]

30. But he acknowledged the legitimacy of forceful self-defense. From post #25:

"when the Negro uses force in self-defense he does not forfeit support -- he may even win it, by the courage and self-respect it reflects."

[wtmusic]

32. And he (quite a bit more directly) advocated gun control.

"By our readiness to allow arms to be purchased at will and fired at whim...we have created an atmosphere in which violence and hatred have become popular pastimes."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics

Violence and hatred like that on display in Tucson, perhaps?

[friendly_iconoclast]

36. You won't mind if I quote from *your* source, do you?

And it's directly following the MLK quote on that page, so you must have read it:

Inversely, the Dalai Lama said "If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun." (May 15, 2001, The Seattle Times) speaking at the "Educating Heart Summit" in Portland, Oregon, when asked by a girl how to react when a shooter takes aim at a classmate.

[wtmusic]

38. No Guns for Buddhists? Wha?

Let's admit you fell flat on your face with your MLK claim before we move on, shall we?

[geckosfeet]

56. Reasonable self defense is not the issue. Unprovoked armed agression is.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

61. There ought to be a law against unprovoked aggression!

[Nuclear Unicorn]

60. Tucson was uncontrolled psychosis. Laws and policies were ignored

[lawodevolution]

40. "And I don't get your point. MLK advocated non-violence." I ADVOCATE NON-VIOLENCE but I fight for

my right to own guns without useless restrictions that are dreamed up by people who don't know the difference between a clip and a magazine.

MLK advocated non-violence but he certainly had armed citizens who protected him at his marches and Charlton Heston the guy who said "out of my cold dead fingers" was there marching with MLK also.

[geckosfeet]

55. I am certainly in agreement with self defense. But MLK did not die defending himself.

Neither did the victims in Tuscon or countless other victims.

The fact that MLK and his defenders had to take up arms in the first place is the issue. That they had to defend themselves from illegal armed aggression is the issue. That anyone feels the need to arm themselves against armed aggression is the issue. This need points to social ills that we are unwilling to acknowledge and address.

[Euromutt]

57. King, and Gandhi for that matter, eschewed violence as a political tool

Mainly because they understood very well that if their side resorted to violence for offensive purposes, they stood to lose the support of a lot of sympathizers; in Gandhi's case, British voters who questioned what right Britain had to interfere with Indians' self-determination, and in King's case, white liberals. Both Gandhi and King also understood very well that if you cast a conflict in which the two sides are of different ethnicities as an ethnic conflict, you're going to alienate a lot of sympathizers who are of the "opposing" ethnicity, or at least undercut any arguments they make about how your side has got a point.

But that's not to say King and Gandhi were opposed to use of force/violence in principle, and certainly King wasn't against using it in self-defense.

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[sharesunited]

10. Celebrating MLK's "I Have A Gun" speech?

[Katya Mullethov]

13. Some of my best friends own colored rifles .

I don't see a problem .

[PavePusher]

21. Full of win. 8>) n/t

[Atypical Liberal]

22. Dr. King tried to get a concealed carry permit.

But he was turned down by the racist authorities.

[wtmusic]

33. Wouldn't have done him a damn bit of good, would it? nt

[friendly_iconoclast]

25. I'll take Rosa Parks' words, and those of Dr. King, over yours:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deacons_for_Defense_and_Justice

http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/negroeswithguns/

http://www.ibiblio.org/southern_exposure/RFW.html

Robert Franklin Williams: A Warrior For Freedom, 1925-1996

By Timothy B. Tyson

When Rosa Parks spoke at Robert Williams' funeral in Monroe, North Carolina on October 22, 1996, she said those who marched with Martin Luther King Jr. in Alabama admired Williams "for his courage and his commitment to freedom. The work that he did should go down in history and never be forgotten."But the words of this champion of nonviolent protest may surprise those who know Williams believed in "armed self-reliance" and was "a very good friend" of Malcolm X.

Born in the small town of Monroe in 1925, Robert Williams was raised on stories from his former-slave grandmother Ellen and tales of his grandfather Sikes, who stumped North Carolina for the Republican Party during Reconstruction and published a newspaper called The People's Voice . Before she died, Ellen Williams gave young Robert the rifle which his grandfather had wielded against white terrorists at the turn of the century...

...As president of the Monroe NAACP in the late 1950s, Williams watched as members of his community were denied basic rights, tormented by the KKK, and ignored in the courts. Seeing no other recourse, he began to advocate "armed self-reliance" in the face of the white terrorism. Members of his NAACP chapter protected their homes against the Klan with rifles and sandbag fortifications.

Williams' advocacy of violence made him into an example at the 1959 NAACP convention. He had been removed from his post as Monroe NAACP president, and he listened at the convention as 40 speakers denounced him. He responded that he had called for self-defense, not acts of war: "We as men should stand up as men and protect our women and children. I am a man, and I will walk upright as a man should. I WILL NOT CRAWL." His logic compelled Martin Luther King, Jr. to acknowledge that, "when the Negro uses force in self-defense he does not forfeit support -- he may even win it, by the courage and self-respect it reflects."....

[wtmusic]

31. You're concluding that Rosa Parks supported gun ownership - from that?

OMG that's weak.

[friendly_iconoclast]

35. No, from the fact that she *owned guns*. Historical revisionism is weak.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=337407&mesg_id=337407

http://www.onthemedia.org/transcripts/2010/08/27/02

(emphasis added)

TIM TYSON: There's a sense in which Mrs. Parks is very important to our post-civil rights racial narrative, because we really want a kind of sugar-coated civil rights movement that's about purity and interracial non-violence. And so we don't really want to meet the real Rosa Parks. We don't, for example, want to know that in the late 1960s, Rosa Parks became a black nationalist and a great admirer of Malcolm X. I met Rosa Parks at the funeral of Robert F. Williams, who had fought the Ku Klux Klan in North Carolina with a machine gun in the late 1950s and then fled to Cuba, and had been a kind of international revolutionary icon of black power. Ms. Parks delivered the eulogy at his funeral. She talks in her autobiography and says that she never believed in non-violence and that she was incapable of that herself, and that she kept guns in her home to protect her family. But we want a little old lady with tired feet. You may have noticed we don't have a lot of pacifist white heroes. We prefer our black people meek and mild, I think...

You are free to prefer sugar-coated history, if you wish. I like to take mine straight up.

[wtmusic]

37. I prefer providing links that back up your claim

which you originally failed to do. Your bad.

[spin]

14. Without firearms the civil rights movement might have died ...

in its infancy by the hands of the KKK.

Robert F. Williams

Robert Franklin Williams (February 26, 1925 – October 15, 1996) was a civil rights leader, author, and the president of the Monroe, North Carolina NAACP chapter in the 1950s and early 1960s. At a time when racial tension was high and official abuses were rampant, Williams was a key figure in promoting both integration and armed black self-defense in the United States.

Williams' 1962 book, Negroes with Guns, details his experience with violent racism and the pacifist Civil Rights Movement philosophies he disagreed with.



***snip***

Williams had already started the Black Armed Guard to defend the local black community from racist activity. KKK membership numbered some 15,000 locally at a time when gun ownership was fairly common in the South. Black residents fortified their homes with sandbags and resorted to being trained with rifles on hand in the event of night raids by the Klan.<4> In Negroes with Guns (Chap 4), Williams writes: “racist consider themselves superior beings and are not willing to exchange their superior lives for our inferior ones. They are most vicious and violent when they can practice violence with impunity”<5> Followers attested to Williams' advocacy of the use of advanced powerful weaponry instead of more traditional firearms. Williams insisted his position was defensive in the face of provocation as opposed to a declaration of war: "armed self-reliance" in the face of white terrorism. Threats against Williams' life and on his family would become more frequent.

***snip***

Later years

Williams was given a grant by the Ford Foundation to work at the University of Michigan Center for Chinese Studies. He wrote While God Lay Sleeping: The Autobiography of Robert F. Williams. He died from Hodgkin's disease in 1996. At his funeral, Rosa Parks, who started the bus boycott in Montgomery, Alabama in 1955 by refusing to give up her seat to a white man thus initiating the fame of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr recounted the high regard Robert F. Williams was held in by those who marched peacefully with King in Alabama.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_F._Williams

Negroes with guns

By Dr. Michael S. Brown

The year was 1957. Monroe, North Carolina, was a rigidly segregated town where all levels of white society and government were dedicated to preserving the racial status quo. Blacks who dared to speak out were subject to brutal, sadistic violence.

It was common practice for convoys of Ku Klux Klan members to drive through black neighborhoods shooting in all directions. A black physician who owned a nice brick house on a main road was a frequent target of racist anger. In the summer of 1957, a Klan motorcade sent to attack the house was met by a disciplined volley of rifle fire from a group of black veterans and NRA members led by civil rights activist Robert F. Williams.

Using military-surplus rifles from behind sandbag fortifications, the small band of freedom fighters drove off the larger force of Klansmen with no casualties reported on either side.

Williams, a former Marine who volunteered to lead the Monroe chapter of the NAACP and founded a 60-member, NRA-chartered rifle club, described the battle in his 1962 book, "Negroes With Guns," which was reprinted in 1998 by Wayne State University Press.

According to Williams, the Monroe group owed its survival in the face of vicious violence to the fact that they were armed. In several cases, police officials who normally ignored or encouraged Klan violence took steps to prevent whites from attacking armed blacks. In other cases, fanatical racists suddenly turned into cowards when they realized their intended victims were armed.

Oddly, it appears that the organized armed blacks of Monroe never shot any of their tormentors. The simple existence of guns in the hands of men who were willing to use them prevented greater violence.
http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/articles/0102/0102monroe.htm

[wtmusic]

34. Other fascinating articles at enterstageright.com:

"What if Obama is just a hack: Conservatives are ascribing an honest belief in Marxism for Barack Obama's agenda but Bruce Walker wonders if there's more...or rather less...that can explain the man

Palin-hatred, and what it shows: Hatred of Sarah Palin among the left and the media continues unabated but Daniel M. Ryan says the behavior of the left teaches us some very important things

The hallowed Halloween bench: Monstrosity rising: How did abortion get legalized in the United States? Michael Moriarty argues that it takes a special trick of intellectualism that ultimately redefines all that is evil as good

A call for reason: J.J. Jackson offers up an essay to end all essays in which he calls upon Americans to take back their country in the name of liberty"

[friendly_iconoclast]

43. I'm glad they didn't say 2+2=4, else we would all be unable to do our taxes

I'm glad to see your keeping the genetic fallacy fresh, it's been nearly a week since someone used it.


Choice of sources aside, that article is accurate as far as the part quoted goes.

[friendly_iconoclast]

45. It also quotes two people who were active in the civil rights movement at the time

And they said some rather, ahem, inconvenient things:

While researching this column, I contacted Don Kates, a civil rights attorney who went to North Carolina in 1963 to participate in the movement. I asked if he ever carried a gun during those days and he responded with a list of a half-dozen that were always within reach. Kates also suggested that I read a letter written by an old friend of his from those days, John R. Salter, Jr., who is now Professor Emeritus at the University of North Dakota. Here are two brief quotes:

"In the early 1960's, I taught at Tougaloo College, a black school in Jackson, Mississippi. I was a member of the statewide board of the NAACP and was Chairman of the Jackson Movement. No one knows what kind of massive racist retaliation would have been directed at grass-roots black people had the black community not had a healthy measure of firearms within it."

"During most of the 1960's I did civil rights work in various parts of the South and almost always had with me a .38 special Smith and Wesson 2-inch-barrel revolver - what you would now erroneously call a "Saturday Night Special."

In 1962 the Monroe freedom fighters were overwhelmed by a huge mob that converged on the town. The Justice Department and the state police ignored calls for help. The rabid racists were aided by law enforcement who branded Williams a communist and a dangerous schizophrenic...

[friendly_iconoclast]

44. I found a couple of sources that might be more palatable to you

The first is a *pdf file of an excerpt from Williams' own book, Negroes With Guns

http://nationalhumanitiescenter.org/pds/maai3/protest/text6/williamsnegroeswithguns.pdf

The next is a link to Timothy Tyson's biography of Williams, Radio Free Dixie

http://uncpress.unc.edu/browse/book_detail?title_id=700

Radio Free Dixie: Robert F. Williams and the Roots of Black Power

By Timothy B. Tyson


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Awards & Distinctions
Winner of the 2000 James A. Rawley Prize, Organization of American Historians

Co-winner of the 2000 Frederick Jackson Turner Prize, Organization of American Historians

Honorable Mention, 2000 Outstanding Book Award, Gustavus Myers Center for the Study of Bigotry and Human Rights in North America


This book tells the remarkable story of Robert F. Williams--one of the most influential black activists of the generation that toppled Jim Crow and forever altered the arc of American history. In the late 1950s, as president of the Monroe, North Carolina, branch of the NAACP, Williams and his followers used machine guns, dynamite, and Molotov cocktails to confront Klan terrorists. Advocating "armed self-reliance" by blacks, Williams challenged not only white supremacists but also Martin Luther King Jr. and the civil rights establishment. Forced to flee during the 1960s to Cuba--where he broadcast "Radio Free Dixie," a program of black politics and music that could be heard as far away as Los Angeles and New York City--and then China, Williams remained a controversial figure for the rest of his life....

[wtmusic]

48. You're so proud you found one civil rights activist from 50 years ago

when blacks active in civil rights had reason to fear for their lives.

What do you think the NAACP's position on gun control is nowadays, or how the black community polls as a whole on the subject?

[friendly_iconoclast]

54. Oh, you'd prefer an *contemporary* civil rights activist? Okay, here's one:

Meet Otis McDonald. His local power structure didn't want him to have a gun, either

[Francis Marion]

63. Why don't you research the Congress On Racial Equality

As if some 'Black' organization must vet and validate the sum total of 'Black Folks' values, thought and access to human rights.

"Why, thank all you good folks for oversee'in the bes' intrests of de po', chil'-like 'Negroes' from they own bad selfs!"

Siiigghhhh.

Since you have to hear it from a Black Man, from a Black Organization, here's A Real Negro Person from Modern Times, one Roy Innis:

From Roy's bio as published on CORE website:
"...Roy Innis is a nationally known advocate of 2nd amendment rights."

Seriously, read some of CORE's amicus briefs in support of individual Second Amendment rights and of the history of gun control (i.e., the legal disarmament of Black Americans during AND after slavery).

With gratitude and thanks to CORE leadership, standing up for everybody's right to self defense.
edit: spelling

[Glassunion]

64. Aaaaaaand here is where he ignores your reply.

Stoopid facts...

[lawodevolution]

41. "no guns for negros" People should also note that black people and other minorities were

over represented among the population of people living under a total gun ban and unable to practice the same right that other americans could practice when the gun ban in Chicago and DC were in place and it was a black man who sued to remove the ban in Chicago. It is racist to ignore the underlying causes of violence in Chicago or DC and just banning them from owning a gun as if you are trying to keep children out of danger and neglecting the real problems that cause crime.

[Statistical]

65. Also racisms have evolved into classism.

Just one example but Rose O'Donnell believes guns should be banned, is working to ensure that happens. However she admits that she has private armed security (who I am sure would be exempt from any ban).

The rich, powerful, and politically connected will always be protected. They live in safer areas, have better Police response, private security, alarm systems, and better physical security. If there are restrictions they have the connections to ensure they are exempt.

Bans only deprive the law abiding without power and connections.

Criminals will still have guns
The powerful/rich will still be protected.
Everyone else just has to suffer because some gun grabbers live in irrational fear of their fellow citizens.