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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 01:34 PM Original message |
Lax gun laws prove deadly in the U.S. |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 01:43 PM Response to Original message |
1. time for some changes |
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-..__... (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 03:48 PM Response to Reply #1 |
9. I agree... |
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damntexdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 01:43 PM Response to Original message |
2. Time and again. But American pols will not deal with it. |
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Francis Marion (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 10:15 PM Response to Reply #2 |
89. The Rights of the People do not need to be 'dealt with.' |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-14-11 11:22 PM Response to Reply #2 |
97. How do you explain the lowest violent crime rates in 30 years |
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Kingofalldems (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 01:45 PM Response to Original message |
3. Here comes the gungeon to give the NRA position |
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CountAllVotes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 01:48 PM Response to Original message |
4. they should melt down all of the guns |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 03:54 PM Response to Reply #4 |
11. Ah, a police state. |
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CountAllVotes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 04:39 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. we'll be there sooner than later |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 07:09 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. So, the legal gun owners are at fault somehow? |
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CountAllVotes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 08:18 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. if abused yes it is a fault |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 08:22 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. melt down weapons to make weapons? |
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YllwFvr (757 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 10:50 PM Response to Reply #19 |
35. actually your "side" |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 01:06 PM Response to Reply #19 |
65. Wow, the bizarre logic and delusional ravings are entertaining... |
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Kennah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 08:22 PM Response to Reply #12 |
21. So only corporations will have guns? |
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jeepnstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 09:02 AM Response to Reply #21 |
41. That's where they're taking us. |
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Kennah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-14-11 05:57 PM Response to Reply #41 |
95. Ironically ... |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 01:05 PM Response to Reply #12 |
64. Wait...WHAT? You want to give only police guns, yet blame the march to a police state on gun owners |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 04:56 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Remember there was a time when British police were unarmed... and our own officers RARELY |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 08:19 PM Response to Reply #13 |
20. Right you are. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 10:07 PM Response to Reply #20 |
27. Yeah, I remember the British being obsessed about guns and carrying them everywhere!! |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 10:36 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. Do you deny that they had a semi strong gun lobby |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 11:30 AM Response to Reply #31 |
50. I don't deny that right wing forces like the GOPs/NRA have risen in nations other than our own... |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 08:23 PM Response to Reply #50 |
82. "Denying any of that?" |
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jeepnstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 10:23 AM Response to Reply #13 |
45. "the police baton was sufficient." |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 11:40 AM Response to Reply #45 |
51. Do you think "tasers" are any better? |
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jeepnstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 11:58 AM Response to Reply #51 |
55. Yes, definitely. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 12:37 PM Response to Reply #55 |
61. Evidently you haven't read the reports of taser injuries ... including deaths.... |
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jeepnstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 01:14 PM Response to Reply #61 |
67. Yes, I read them. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 01:33 PM Response to Reply #67 |
70. Keep in mind GOP/NRA has created two right wing parties ... |
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jeepnstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 02:02 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. I see opportunities there. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 06:22 PM Response to Reply #71 |
81. "Politics is the shadow cast over government by corporations" .... |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 08:42 PM Response to Reply #81 |
84. Maybe if people... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 09:32 PM Response to Reply #84 |
87. As you quite well understand, rw Democrats are now also giving you guns .... |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 10:55 PM Response to Reply #87 |
90. Uh no, not quite. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-14-11 11:06 AM Response to Reply #90 |
92. Yes ... a right wing Supreme Court gave you the latest gun decision... |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-14-11 05:26 PM Response to Reply #92 |
94. When the decision is the correct one, its authors matter not. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-15-11 10:15 PM Response to Reply #94 |
100. The correct decision on guns stood since 1939 ... until you got a right wing court to overturn it.. |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-14-11 12:24 AM Response to Reply #13 |
91. "rarely fired a weapon" |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-14-11 11:11 AM Response to Reply #91 |
93. 1976 is post the Drug War -- the fake Drug War ... |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-14-11 10:56 PM Response to Reply #93 |
96. Ah, the other 'good old days'. |
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YllwFvr (757 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 10:40 PM Response to Reply #4 |
32. law enforcement will disagree with you |
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RSillsbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 02:22 AM Response to Reply #4 |
39. If gun control laws worked and only the police had guns |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 11:46 AM Response to Reply #39 |
52. The police didn't need guns the majority of the time ... that's the point -- |
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jeepnstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 12:03 PM Response to Reply #52 |
56. We don't need them every day now. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 12:23 PM Response to Reply #56 |
60. And that's why they carried them ... for RARE occasions.... |
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jeepnstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 12:40 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. It's still relatively rare. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 01:07 PM Response to Reply #62 |
66. Agree with you ... including reality that includes kids .... |
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one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-15-11 05:19 PM Response to Reply #66 |
99. Before 1954 I lived in the country you want. |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 09:00 PM Response to Reply #4 |
86. And why is that |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 01:50 PM Response to Original message |
5. Homicides are at a 46 year low. Last year with lower homicide rate was 1964. n/t |
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russ1943 (405 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 03:50 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. delete |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 04:57 PM Response to Reply #5 |
14. Due to better police training, more supervision -- |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 08:52 PM Response to Reply #14 |
24. And at the same time millions more guns were sold in the US. What was the problem with guns, again? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 09:41 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. They kill people, but some how you don't seem to notice that ... !!! |
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Tejas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 10:23 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. With the increased ownership of firearms, why hasn't |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 10:27 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. Why would you expect it to? |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 10:41 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. We wouldn't. |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 10:46 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. That's not very sporting of you, pointing out contradictions like that |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 10:50 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. I know, I know... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 10:13 AM Response to Reply #34 |
44. Maybe you want to actually respond to 98,000 gun shootings every year? |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 02:42 PM Response to Reply #44 |
72. Despite your claims, those are declining- while the number of guns is increasing. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 10:03 AM Response to Reply #33 |
43. Guns are the problem .... if you noticed what happened at the Giffords rally..... |
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Tejas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 06:02 PM Response to Reply #43 |
79. LEO's kill their spouses |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 08:49 PM Response to Reply #43 |
85. Jesus. What an extremist viewpoint. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 12:10 PM Response to Reply #5 |
57. But let's ignore 30,000 deaths from 98,000 shootings -- !!!??? |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 01:24 PM Response to Reply #57 |
69. The white whale of gun control crusade cost the Democrats control of Congress for a decade. |
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moondust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 01:52 PM Response to Original message |
6. A million gun victims since the assassinations of the 60s. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 04:58 PM Response to Reply #6 |
15. .. ah, but that those "billions" don't provide profits for the gun manufacturers!! |
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kctim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 01:53 PM Response to Original message |
7. Instead of the standard fear based calls |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 06:48 PM Response to Reply #7 |
16. WRONG. It takes 3/4 of the states to ratify an amendment. |
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YllwFvr (757 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 10:54 PM Response to Reply #16 |
37. and what are the chances of that happening? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 12:13 PM Response to Reply #37 |
58. Unless we want the Drug War to turn us into Mexico .... it has to be overturned .... |
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YllwFvr (757 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 01:02 PM Response to Reply #58 |
63. ending the drug war |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 01:15 PM Response to Reply #63 |
68. There are elites behind this Drug War profiting from it -- otherwise... |
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YllwFvr (757 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 03:30 PM Response to Reply #68 |
74. cant deny that one |
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kctim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 09:22 AM Response to Reply #16 |
42. Thank you for that correction |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 11:52 AM Response to Reply #7 |
54. The 2nd amendment states clearly it is based on a "militia" .... it is the rationale behind it ... |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 08:27 PM Response to Reply #54 |
83. Heres your opportunity... |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 03:28 PM Response to Original message |
8. Anything that quotes the VPC is by definition questionable |
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lawodevolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 08:15 PM Response to Original message |
18. this is why |
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Kennah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 08:30 PM Response to Original message |
23. Gun laws not the problem |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 09:43 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Guns are the problem -- |
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YllwFvr (757 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 10:57 PM Response to Reply #26 |
38. so insane people arent the problem? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 10:55 AM Response to Reply #38 |
46. First of all, the mentally ill aren't any more violent than any other people ....about 5% .... |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 02:45 PM Response to Reply #38 |
73. I suppose the next thing you'll tell us is that ropes don't cause lynchings. |
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YllwFvr (757 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 03:32 PM Response to Reply #73 |
75. wait they dont? |
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Tejas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 10:19 PM Response to Original message |
28. As long as the courts coddle the CRIMINALS with a slap on the hand, |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 11:20 AM Response to Reply #28 |
47. What criminals do you have in mind? Pot smokers or people like Bush/Cheney and capitalists? |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 02:59 AM Response to Original message |
40. Both mass shootings and assassinations of politicians have occurred in other countries |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 11:22 AM Response to Reply #40 |
48. And the same right wing forces are behind those assassinations, as well .... PLUS |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 05:56 PM Response to Reply #48 |
78. What ARE you talking about? |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 06:17 PM Response to Reply #78 |
80. Don't expect sense.. |
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one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-14-11 11:44 PM Response to Reply #78 |
98. Don't upset the Leftists are all non-violent meme with Baader-Meinhof |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 11:24 AM Response to Reply #40 |
49. On the subject of "illegal guns" you have to look to our lack of gun control which permits .... |
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27nitro (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 11:51 AM Response to Reply #49 |
53. It does not permit it. There are laws against it. nt |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 12:15 PM Response to Reply #53 |
59. If you want to base a gun debate on semantics game playing.... why not |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 03:39 PM Response to Reply #59 |
76. I tend to rely on the two recent Supreme Court decisions myself ... |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 05:40 PM Response to Reply #49 |
77. I just pointed out that that wouldn't stop spree/mass shootings |
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Jenoch (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 09:50 PM Response to Original message |
88. It's interesting |
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