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Hoopla Phil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-10 04:31 PM
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San Francisco may start gun fight over pro-firearm ads
"A San Francisco transit agency spokesman says the city is investigating whether pro-gun ads, which an advocacy group recently purchased, should have been posted in transit stations this week."

"The city's policy on such ads is strict but clear: It says that 'no advertisement' shall 'promote the use of firearms.'" ...

"Second Amendment Foundation founder Alan Gottlieb says that if San Francisco takes down the advertisements, which also promote his group's gun rights policy conference in a nearby suburb, he'll see them in court: 'All I can do is pray that all the publicity will make them want to decide to take down the ads -- so we can sue!'"
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504383_162-20015513-504383....

SAF is just itching for a court fight over this.
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shadowrider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-10 04:34 PM
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1. As if I need another reason not to move to Frisco n/t
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-10 04:45 PM
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2. If SF takes them down, they go to court and lose.
Deservingly so.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-10 04:47 PM
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3. Why? Seriously.
Edited on Sat Sep-04-10 04:48 PM by Orrex
Does the 2nd Amendment guarantee the right to advertise the sale of firearms? Wherever the advertiser wants it to be?
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-10 04:53 PM
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4. Did you look at the ad?
They're not advertising the sale of firearms.

It's about the 2nd Amendment and political conference.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-10 08:49 PM
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12. Whoops. That was silly of me.
I retract my complaint, and I agree that it's dumb (and futile) of them to ban the ads.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-10 08:57 PM
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14. No problem.
Thanks for taking a second look.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-10 11:30 PM
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16. Them's fighting words! Now you're just pissing me off!
Hardy har har.


It's hard to pass myself off as infallibly correct when I make a goofy gaffe like that. :blush:
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Hoopla Phil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-10 05:01 PM
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5. This is not about advertising the sale of firearms. Please read the article.
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-10 05:13 PM
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6. Not to mention the set of First Amendment issues involved...
Why would a civic entity want to ban promotion of the Constitution? Hmmmm......
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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-10 05:57 PM
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9. No, but the First Amendment guarantees the right to say that the 2ndA is important.
What the city is proposing to do is to censor pro-2ndA speech on the grounds that it "promotes firearms use." Governments can't censor political viewpoints just because they don't like them; that is well established First Amendment case law.
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Callisto32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-10 06:07 PM
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11. Freedom of speech...
Just watch what you say.

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frebrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-10 05:16 PM
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7. I used to love San Francisco........
now I wouldn't live there (or even go there) for anything.

:grr:
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-..__... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-10 05:40 PM
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8. They never learn, do they?
Another "enlightened" anti-gun community about to get Ow3ned.
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Callisto32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-10 06:05 PM
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10. SELF DELETE
Edited on Sat Sep-04-10 06:06 PM by Callisto32
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-10 08:57 PM
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13. That's just ridiculous..
It's protected political speech.
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jazzhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-10 11:01 PM
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15. Looks like the SAF has SF over a barrel...........

.............and SF knows it. I'll be (pleasantly) surprised if the city decides to pick a fight on this issue.

They'll get their *sses handed to them.
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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 08:52 AM
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17. The city has reversed itself and is now allowing the ad...
...apparently realizing that striking down their policy on First Amendment grounds
would have been a slam-dunk. (To dispel some of the cognitive dissonance, imagine
that Salt Lake City had passed a law censoring ads for an abortion-rights policy
conference; same thing.)

The ad is not violent, and it's not obscene. It is, however, very subversive
in the lit-crit sense.

Apologies for the huge image size...if anybody knows of a smaller version, I'll edit.



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DissedByBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-10 06:27 PM
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18. That's proper home defense
And she even has her finger off the trigger. Quite the responsible ad.
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oneshooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-10 07:17 PM
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19.  That is some of Oleg Volks work
He knows what is proper gun handling and what ain't.

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-10 11:51 PM
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28. And he knows yummy models when he see's 'em... n/t
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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-10 11:54 AM
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20. I think that ad might have more impact in LA...
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-10 12:32 PM
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21. Perfect photo. Fear propaganda at its best.
And a quote from every liberal's favorite justice.

Perfect.

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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-10 01:20 PM
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22. Awwww- looks like *someone's* ox got gored....
First, have a cookie. You'll feel better:




And when you've finished with the chocolatey goodness, a question:

Would you have been happy about this if the subject of the ad was something you liked?
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-10 01:51 PM
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23. Chances are no one will ever try to break down your door ...
and invade your home, but it does happen.

Some prefer to call a trained expert when such situations occur by dialing 911. Some of us believe in DIY (Do It Yourself) and believe in having the tools and training necessary to handle such a situation.

It's your choice.

As you make your bed, so must you lie in it.





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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-10 04:37 PM
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24. With the passing of wind and time, truth shall utter its sacred name:
Bar-ROOM!!
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shadowrider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-10 04:43 PM
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25. Uh, she looks CONFIDENT, not fearfull n/t
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OneTenthofOnePercent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-10 05:31 PM
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26. That's because it's loaded with 000 buckshot instead of birdshot.
The only gun I'd want to have for home defense besieds a 12ga shotgun is a shorter 12ga shotgun.
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oneshooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-10 07:10 PM
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27.  It's OH thats fearfull. n/t
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