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virginia mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 04:43 PM
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15 year old, uses automatic rifle to defend himself, and little sister from multiple home invaders
From upstairs, the 15-year-old who was home with his 12-year-old sister heard the breaking glass and grabbed his father's automatic rifle. "The burglary was soon over."

Use of a "So Called" assault rifle, by a MINOR, in self defense, of life, and family..

Great Video at website!

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id...
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 04:51 PM
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1. I'm glad that he was able to defend himself - and his sister (n/t).
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 04:56 PM
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2. I wish the snuff porn from this forum wasn't echoed on the Latest page....
eom
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virginia mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 04:58 PM
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3. You would rather they have been killed?? nt
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 02:13 AM
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27. Yes, he would have.
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Hoopla Phil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 04:59 PM
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4. Ha Ha Ha. LMAO. . .Snuff porn = self defense Ha Ha Ha. But where
is the vigilante meme?
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 05:33 PM
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11. Dont read it, I wish for a free keg of tasty beer
in my happy home.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 10:17 PM
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25. GORN
Gun porn
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 02:13 AM
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28. Self-defense always tastes bad to you, huh?
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 02:46 AM
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29. So does idiocy
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Hoopla Phil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 02:39 PM
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38. Yes, being deprived of handguns for self defense is idiocy.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-02-10 12:31 AM
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42. No, but I dated a strawman online
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-04-10 02:29 PM
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50. So, self-defense DOES taste bad to you. Glad that's cleared up. nt
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Euromutt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 03:53 AM
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30. "Snuff" implies corpses, and so far, nobody involved has died
And as far as I'm concerned, the most important thing is that no occupants of the burglarized house were hurt.

May I note that I find it odd that you apparently reserve your characterization for a self-defense story, rather than apply it to any of the numerous unlawful shooting stories that get posted here?
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frebrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-02-10 04:48 PM
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44. Another addition tp the Ignored list.
:boring:
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-04-10 02:27 PM
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49. Don't worry. The controller/banners will have some to balance it out.
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Hoopla Phil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 04:59 PM
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5. Recommended. But I think I scooped ya there V.M.
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virginia mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 05:05 PM
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6. You did scoop me!! I somehow totally did not see you thread nt
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57_TomCat Donating Member (527 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 05:07 PM
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7. I too am glad it worked out.
I much prefer the stories on the news where the good guys win. I also found this legal theory to be interesting from the article:

but ABC13's legal expert says that the 15-year-old's right to protect his home and sister trumps all child firearm access laws.
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 05:15 PM
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8. I wonder if the boy should be checked out for PTSD.
I "eavesdropped" on a couple of vets in my school talking about how disturbing killing humans is, even if the humans are bad guys.
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oneshooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 05:18 PM
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9.  One was shot, but is the Hospital, nobody killed. n/t
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 05:25 PM
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10. That is great and probably helpful for the boy's well being,
but I still wonder if people who take lives in self defense should be checked out for PTSD.

I am not against people defending themselves, but just because the bad guy is gone does not the victim is fine.
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rrneck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 05:57 PM
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12. +1 Especially for a kid. nt
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 08:26 PM
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21. He will get counseling in all likelyhood
He needs to know it was a perfectly reasonable and correct thing to do under the circumstances and know that if he wants to talk to someone about it he can. Beyond that limiting the fuss over it is really the best course of action.
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MichaelHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 06:24 PM
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13. and then we see this
Edited on Wed Jun-30-10 06:44 PM by MichaelHarris
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaUWXlAXhps&feature=rela...

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5g7kMZ...

nawwww they are not fueling Mexican Drug Wars: http://tribwekchron.com/2010/06/cbp-officers-seize-ten-... /

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2010/06/parsippany_man...

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/23827183/detail.html

I can go on if you like. http://www.myfoxmemphis.com/dpp/news/local/061010-detai...

"Officer Bill Evans was shot 14 times, Sergeant Brandon Paudert 11 times. The weapon of choice, the AK-47, isn't as uncommon as you would think when it comes to officers being killed in the line of duty. 16-year old Joe Kane shot West Memphis Police officer Bill Evans 14 times and Sgt. Brandon Paudert 11 times May 20th during a traffic stop on I-40. Sources told FOX13 Thursday Kane shot the two officers using an AK-47, a weapon that has become extremely popular.

AK-47 has now replaced the 223 as the weapon that kills police officers the most," said Southaven Police Chief Tom Long. "This has only come about in the last 10 years, and we're seeing many more of these guns now... "
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Hoopla Phil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 06:27 PM
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14. Are you equating criminals doing bad things with ILLEGAL guns to legal self defense?
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virginia mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 06:34 PM
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15. Yes, their is...TO HIM..
I am very familiar with DU Member Micheal Harris..

In HIS mind, ALL gun owners are criminals..So there is a connection, even if it is only in his mind.
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MichaelHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 06:38 PM
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16. I own guns
I'm no criminal.
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virginia mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 06:43 PM
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17. They why..
Do you try to tie law full self defense to a criminal act?
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MichaelHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 06:47 PM
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18. why do you
avoid actual criminal uses of firearms? I've never seen you post a "bad" shooting. You guys only promote the good, never the bad. Why is that?
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virginia mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 06:53 PM
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19. Simply because..
Edited on Wed Jun-30-10 06:53 PM by virginia mountainman
The "BAD" is all over the news...The good, use of guns is seldom reported....

If the 15 year old, had used that rifle, to shoot three in cold blood, it would be national headlines.. But because he used it to protect his home, and little sister, it is "local news"

It does not fit "MSM" mold, of what gun use "IS", and thusly, it is not widely reported.

So we report it HERE.
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MichaelHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 07:07 PM
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20. the difference
Edited on Wed Jun-30-10 07:09 PM by MichaelHarris
between you and I is that I DON'T turn my back on the bad. I DON'T walk through life with blinders. I own guns, I love to shoot. I also know we have a problem in this country. You want me on your team? Start addressing the dangers instead of banging the NRA drum. Stop with the "THEY WANT OUR GUNS CRAP!" Offer ways to get guns from the hands of those who would do harm. STOP with the snuff posts. You guys use blood to prove guns are useful, see how stupid that is?

Stop with that silliness and maybe the DU gun forum can become something. What is a "good" shooting anyway? Is it when a teenage boy, a son, a brother, a child, gets shot climbing in a window for an XBOX dies? Sure a petty criminal is now dead, the shooter was defending his or her home. Is the story less bloody for the victim's family? Blood to prove a firearm's usefulness, just plain stupid.
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Katya Mullethov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 09:50 PM
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24. They are looking for " the danger " in Tampa this very AM
With any luck at all , this story will culminate with yet another good shooting .



It would seem that one of the unfortunate victims of the inequities of income distribution and racism killed two cops . I can only assume he was stealing bread , blankets , or perhaps some dime store glasses so that his child might see the blackboard . It's all about the dangers , but never the actors . This actor , a one Mr. Dontae Rashawn Morris , 24 , had accumulated 43 previous felony arrests in his brief time on Earth , and as of this afternoon a 100,000 dollar price on his head .








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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 10:40 PM
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26. Still pushing the meme 'all burglars want is your stuff', eh?
Edited on Wed Jun-30-10 10:41 PM by friendly_iconoclast
Too many times
...a teenage boy, a son, a brother, a child,...
doesn't care to stop with making off with an Xbox and decides to add assault, rape, and/or murder to his repetoire. There've been more than enough links posted here to accounts of such crimes for you to pretend they don't happen.

There is no way in hell that I will ever accept that someone in their home must rely upon the doubtful mercy of some violent
felon because someone else feels bad for the little snowflakes.

And BTW:

The victims in such cases are the people forced to employ deadly force to defend themselves, not the 'alternative shoppers'.


Don't you have some police records in Moscow, Idaho to look up for us?




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Euromutt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 05:33 AM
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32. "Stop with the snuff posts"?
What, like the stories onehandle, depakid, yourself and others keep posting to "prove" that "Guns Are Bad" (at least, ones that you yourself don't own)? You want to tell me those aren't "snuff posts," Kemo Sabe? How about you lot set the right example? This forum supposedly isn't for those kinds of stories anyway, according to the sticky up top (not that the mods themselves seem to take heed of that, but hey).
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The Green Manalishi Donating Member (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 01:18 PM
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36. Reasonable.
You want me on your team? ...... Offer ways to get guns from the hands of those who would do harm.

Pretty simple, actually. Use a gun in a crime and you're locked up. forever. First time.
if you are a felon or under a restraining order for threatening someone and you are arrested with a gun in your posession you go away. Forever. If we 'merely' eliminated recividism we'd eliminate most of the violent crime, gun and other.

My view is this: if I were to have to shoot a burgler or home invader, I would. But I sure as hell hope I don't have to. I don't 'get off' on a Rambo urge any more than I would want to have to evacuate my house because of a disaster or donate a kidney to someone; it's only because the alternative is more horrific, and in *MY* judgement, someone who would violate my property shall be assumed to be ready, willing and able to take my life or that of my family members.
And I would regard that person as, in the end, at least partly a victim of the failures of a society that rewards CEOs of vicious and unethical corporations well but criminalizes poverty and uses the misfortunate as cannon fodder and/or a bludgeon to remind the 'middle class' of what their fate will be if they oppose the corporate overlords.

Respectfully
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Hoopla Phil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 02:55 PM
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39. Say Michael, did you ever find the proof for this post?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

You said that you would get it and post it but never did. Just curious.
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-04-10 02:38 PM
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52. And that sums it up. Good response.
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Tejas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 05:50 AM
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33. "I'm no criminal."
Not yet.
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rrneck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 01:49 PM
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37. Until you decide to go shoot somebody with one of the guns you own.
Then you'll be a criminal.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 08:30 PM
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22. Your done. Your cause is done. Go tell the next black man you see to hit the back bench in the bus
The days of this bamboozle working are over. Find an new cause and move on. This one was pronounced dead.
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 09:01 PM
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23. Please do elaborate..
.. did you ever find a police report on the AK-totin Moscow man?

Or the {black} white supremacist?



Perhaps you didn't catch in your rush to regurgitate some google, that the 15 year old's father is a Houston constable? It might actually have been a full auto AR-15 (watch the video, you can see it.)

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one-eyed fat man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 03:07 PM
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40. Here ya go..................
AK-totin Moscow man?


Or the {black} white supremacist?
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-04-10 02:37 PM
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51. Rifles of ALL types make up less than 3% of homicides...
And AK-47 clones, AR-15s, etc. are just one type of rifle.

It IS uncommon.

Why not join up with an anti-drug war organization (as I have done) to end the W.O.D.? In this way, the cartels will be weakened, and will have less need for firearms. If we wait too long, the cartels will branch out too deeply into non-drug-related activities (even anti-government guerrilla activities) and they will be more difficult to deal with. As it is, once you have a powerful, nearly immune smuggling system, you can move most anything through it.

I would suggest that full-auto weapons and grenades (the most sought-after weapons for the cartels) are coming from the U.S. -- via the Mexican military through corruption and Iraq-style bombings of military vehicles.
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Biker13 Donating Member (609 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 04:42 AM
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31. Rec.
The Good Guys are okay and the Bad guys are in the hurt locker.
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gravity556 Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 08:23 AM
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34. It's pretty simple to stay clear of
the wrong end of a defensive gun use-stay the fuck out of other people's homes, don't try to rob convenience stores, and refrain from other anti-social behavior. I'm sure your kid was a good boy, and I'm sure he was going to cure cancer when he got off probation, but maybe, juuuust maybe, you should have taught him that breaking in to other people's houses is a fantastic way to catch Uncle Chuck's attention..
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Remmah2 Donating Member (971 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 10:27 AM
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35. If it was truly an "automatic" rifle........
.....it would have automatically got up and shot the burglars on it's own.

I wish the media would get their firearm jargon right.
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oneshooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 06:53 PM
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41.  It was a semi-auto AR-15. n/t
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-02-10 05:47 PM
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46. Reporters are incapable of understanding the difference ...
and uninterested in learning.

It's hard to trust anything published by the main street media on any complicated subject. Firearms are extremely simple and just a little research will educate a person on the subject. The economy, the oil spill or the war in Afghanistan are extremely complicated subjects.

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KansasVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-02-10 11:10 AM
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43. Jesus, should I post every story about kids who kill themselves with guns???
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Hoopla Phil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-02-10 04:58 PM
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45. Some facts about children and guns
http://www.gunfacts.info/pdfs/gun-facts/5.1/gun-facts-5...

Myth: 13 children are killed each day by guns

Fact: Adults included This statistic includes children up to age 19 or 24, depending on the source. Most violent crime is committed by males ages 16-24, these numbers end up including adult gang members dying during criminal activity. The proper definition of child is a person between birth and puberty (typically 13-14 years old).

Fact: Criminals are included - 70% of these deaths are juveniles or adults, ages 17 to 20, during gang warfare. Half of the juveniles killed are involved in gang activity at the time of their deaths: often drug related firefights.

Fact: Suicides and criminals included - These numbers include criminal activities and suicides. As suicides make up more than of all gun deaths, the number children killed could drop even further, to about 1.3 a day.

Fact: The federal government lists the total firearm related deaths for children were 612, or 1.7 per day, in 1998. 154 were suicides

Fact: Over 13 teenagers die every day in automobiles, seven behind the wheel.

Fact: Four children die each day in the U.S. from parental neglect and abuse.

Fact: For contrast: 1,917 children die each day from malaria around the world and 15 men, women, and children per day are murdered by a convicted felon in government supervised parole/probation programs in the U.S.



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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-03-10 01:59 AM
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48. Yeah, but kids that get killed with guns are deader. Or something
I wonder if our correspondent is working just as hard to ban backyard swimming pools and make water safety classes mandatory,
as drowning kills more children in the US than guns do.

For some reason, I think not...
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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-03-10 01:54 AM
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47. Please don't, you've had plenty of Lovejoys as it is:
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-04-10 02:44 PM
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53. Would be a lot easier (and faster) than posting bathtub drownings. nt
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