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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 09:25 AM Original message |
Texas: Teen shoots would-be burglary suspect |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 09:27 AM Response to Original message |
1. I have to put "would-be burglary suspect" up near "Acquitted child molester" |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 09:30 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Yep - I'd have been tossed out of HIGH SCHOOL for that |
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SteppingRazor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 09:33 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. I don't think it's as bad as all that, but it is redundant. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 10:20 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Not just redundant, it's inaccurate IMO |
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SteppingRazor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 12:20 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Good point. It can definitely be read like that. |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 09:32 AM Response to Original message |
3. Rejected first draft script for Home Alone? nt |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 12:50 PM Response to Original message |
7. Oh, the gun lobby loves this kind of junk. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 04:49 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Is that like the free speech lobby or right to a fair trial lobby? |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 04:59 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Shotgun or not |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 05:31 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Agree, the kid did the right thing. |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 05:10 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. There is no shoot to warn or shoot to wound. If you do this you are |
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57_TomCat (527 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 05:15 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. I beg to differ... |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 08:51 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. Yea, but the burglars likely would have turned tail as soon as they knew someone was home. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 09:06 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. " likely would have turned tail as soon as they knew someone was home. " -- Riiiiiiight.. |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 02:50 AM Response to Reply #15 |
18. Nice list. You found any evidence the burglars were armed? |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 07:54 AM Response to Reply #18 |
23. Are you willing to risk your kids' lives that they weren't? n/t |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 09:12 AM Response to Reply #18 |
28. Who cares if they were "unarmed"? |
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Trachimbrod (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 05:43 PM Response to Reply #7 |
13. You might have set a real record there...3 strawmen, 5 hyperbolics, |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 03:50 AM Response to Reply #13 |
21. You have to be like that to deal with a well financed gun lobby that relies on money and fear. |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 10:10 PM Response to Reply #7 |
16. Since I can not reliably read the intentions of criminals... |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 02:53 AM Response to Reply #16 |
19. I have some nice guitars and things, but I'm not going to shoot an unarmed man to protect them. |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 09:07 AM Response to Reply #19 |
25. There is no such thing as "unarmed". |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 10:22 PM Response to Reply #7 |
17. Shoot into the floor? |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 03:47 AM Response to Reply #17 |
20. Burglars break into houses everyday and run when they hear a noise. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 07:07 AM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Define Trained. |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 08:21 AM Response to Reply #22 |
24. It's not shooting targets, watching videos, playing cowboy, dreaming about how they will be a hero. |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 09:11 AM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Your biases are rapidly approaching bigotry. |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 12:52 PM Response to Reply #24 |
33. And if those kids break into a cop's home, you can be damn sure |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 03:43 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Actually, I think most police would have handled the situation differently |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 04:04 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. Then your father-in-law would be dead... |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 04:30 PM Response to Reply #37 |
42. Police apprehend armed criminals everyday without shooting them. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 04:36 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. And they kill unarmed innocent people too |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 04:36 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. "Of course, they are trained not to shoot until necessary" |
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S_B_Jackson (564 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 04:22 PM Response to Reply #35 |
41. And you'd be wrong in what you think.... |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 04:44 PM Response to Reply #41 |
48. Sounds like the sound of chambering a shell would have worked as well as blasting away. |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-02-10 02:08 PM Response to Reply #48 |
82. You seem to be quite sure of your ability to predict the actions of criminals. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 04:12 PM Response to Reply #24 |
39. You realize police shoot targets, watch videos |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 09:10 AM Response to Reply #20 |
26. "Burglars break into houses everyday and run when they hear a noise." |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 09:21 AM Response to Reply #26 |
29. See, that's the problem. Too many gun "lobbyists" think their life is on the line all the time. |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 09:39 AM Response to Reply #29 |
30. Children scare off burglar (without shooting him). |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 12:14 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. "They are like "cats" -- They run at the first sign someone is home"- except when they don't |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 12:51 PM Response to Reply #20 |
32. Thankfully YOU don't get to decide for ME |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 03:36 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. You guys must really be scared. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 03:58 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. Thankfully its not up to you. |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 04:21 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. What else but "fear" would make you pack a gun in public? Is it a fashion statement? |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 04:33 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. Are people who have a fire extinguisher in their cars afraid of fire? |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 04:57 PM Response to Reply #43 |
50. A fire extinguisher won't kill an innocent bystander when someone plays cowboy. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 05:22 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. That's not an answer, that's a dodge. n/t |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 05:26 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. Try this: If you have to carry a gun into public -- say Chuck E Cheese -- you are probably afraid. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 05:28 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. Another dodge.. going to shoot for the hattrick? |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 05:50 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. Attempt #3 -- |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 06:30 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. Actually, my raw odds in any particular year are about 1 in 300. |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 06:39 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. To put that into perspective |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 08:20 PM Response to Reply #55 |
60. I think you need to convert to odds where your having a gun down your pants does any good. |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 08:35 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. My wife has already saved her life by having a gun on her person. |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 11:08 PM Response to Reply #62 |
65. First off, I'm glad your wife is safe. I don't know your wife, |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-02-10 02:11 PM Response to Reply #65 |
83. Shooting a criminal in the act, in this country... |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 06:38 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. Please answer the question. |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 06:42 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. AND you'll note that most (if not all) states mandate that all apartments be |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 08:22 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. They don't mandate guns because guns in an apartment are an accident waiting to happen. |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 08:43 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. Myth: Accidental gun fatalities are a serious problem |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 11:33 PM Response to Reply #63 |
67. Yea, but it you live next to or under the gun obsessed, |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-02-10 12:19 AM Response to Reply #67 |
69. I leave in the realm of reality - not denial. |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-02-10 02:14 PM Response to Reply #67 |
84. Ah, I see now. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 04:35 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. Common sense, like carrying jumper cables |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 04:47 PM Response to Reply #44 |
49. Oh, sure, you are trained better than law enforcement. |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 09:01 PM Response to Reply #49 |
64. He probably is. I know I probably am as a Class B limited IPSC competitor. |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 11:16 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. First, I'll prefer to rely on the police to enforce the law on the streets. Second, |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-02-10 12:12 AM Response to Reply #66 |
68. Yeah, calling 911 worked so well for this person |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-02-10 01:02 AM Response to Reply #68 |
70. Pregnant mum chases off burglar. |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-02-10 01:09 AM Response to Reply #70 |
71. You can go that rout if you want. I will stay prepared. |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-02-10 08:03 AM Response to Reply #71 |
75. There is considerable debate about your claim regarding Australia. |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-02-10 10:00 AM Response to Reply #75 |
78. Ok, you've been tossing out things and have been treated rather well |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-02-10 11:25 AM Response to Reply #78 |
80. OK, let's take "Militia" in historical sense -- then, you guys are left with carrying muzzleloaders. |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-02-10 01:07 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. I'll take your changing of arguments and failure to provide any evidence for your arguments |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-02-10 02:17 PM Response to Reply #80 |
85. And you post that via the interwebz?! |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-02-10 02:36 AM Response to Reply #49 |
74. Police are notorious for a less than 50% hit rate. |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-02-10 08:08 AM Response to Reply #74 |
76. Yes, becasuse those situations are highly charged. I doubt untrained gun folks do better. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-02-10 09:05 AM Response to Reply #76 |
77. Like this officer who shoots himself in front of a classroom full of kids? |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-02-10 11:15 AM Response to Reply #77 |
79. You got anything to compare to Christopher Bryan Speight who killed 8 people and had a valid permit? |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-02-10 03:10 PM Response to Reply #79 |
86. Why would you cite someone who sucessfully murdered 8 people as an example of poor marksmanship? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-02-10 04:05 PM Response to Reply #79 |
87. Deleted message |
Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-02-10 05:45 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. Such anger -- you should not be toting with that attitude. |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-02-10 08:28 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. And you... |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-02-10 08:30 PM Response to Reply #88 |
90. What you are experiencing is called projection. |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 04:09 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. Really scared? |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 04:39 PM Response to Reply #38 |
47. Excellent. |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-02-10 02:34 AM Response to Reply #20 |
73. That's nice, so at the very least, the homeowner gets to buy a new window |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 06:36 PM Response to Reply #7 |
56. Your are willing to bet someone else's life for your beliefs. |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-02-10 02:32 AM Response to Reply #7 |
72. They didn't make me watch a video or even read a pamphlet. |
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