The Brady Bunch has been canceled

[bluestateguy]

"Hey you guys, Oh, my nose!"

[cornermouse]

1. Think long prison time for those who accidentally shoot bystanders...

Because that's what I'll be fighting for. Murder is murder.

[Bold Lib]

4. And police too. When cops shoot bystanders they should have long

prison sentences too. As you say, murder is murder. Unless it's not of course.

[cornermouse]

6. The police are trained, hopefully well trained.

As far as I'm concerned, if you aren't a policeman you have no business carrying a gun and you belong in jail if you shoot a bystander.

[Bold Lib]

7. And the goal posts get moved yet again. Didn't you say "murder is murder"? Oh, but

not if police do it. I guess some people are more equal in your eyes. Hypocrisy much?

[Callisto32]

11. Why do police officers have more business carrying a gun:?

This is a serious question. I want to know why you think police officers, who are drawn from the general population, have business carrying when the general population does not.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

13. Many cops are not particularly good shots

[TheWraith]

16. True. Most police officers practice the minimum amount needed by dept policy.

Why? Because most cops will never actually discharge their weapon in the course of their duties. So they don't "waste time" practicing when they have paperwork to do.

[MicaelS]

18. Oh so you're so concerned about the availability of guns

You only want the racist, sexist, fascist homophobic police and military to have them right? :sarcasm:

[proteus_lives]

20. mouse is right.

[AtheistCrusader]

17. Couple years ago, two Seattle police officers opened fire ON EACH OTHER. Over 21 rounds fired.

Not a single hit on either side.

Oh yeah, super duper training there guys.



Most police departments have less than a 50% hit rate.

[GreenStormCloud]

10. All of us here agree that bystanders should not get shot by CCW holders.

Guess what! You are statistically more likely to get struck by lightning than you are to be illegally killed by a CCW holder.

On the state proficiency test, (Firing real ammo at targets) I regularly score 250 points out of a possible 250. I hit what I shoot at. Your bystander is safe around me.

[Callisto32]

12. I'd bet you are more likely to be shot as a bystander, by a police officer.

The couple of cops I know and have shot with are all piss-poor handgun shots, and I wouldn't let them anywhere near a short-barrel shotgun.

[aikoaiko]

14. Depending on circumstances and behavior, the likely charge would be manslaughter

And that seems fair to me.

[Taitertots]

15. If that is a big concern, How many times has it ever happened?

I mean you wouldn't want to seem like a chicken little screaming that the sky is falling while there is a negligible risk.

[proteus_lives]

19. Why do you keep posting these threats?

What is your goal?

[cornermouse]

25. Protection of the people I love from people who have no training

and often no common sense. Harm someone I love and expect me to go after you with every legal weapon I can find. Prison for the guilty whether criminal or CCW, would my first choice.

[proteus_lives]

27. Love how you're combining CCW-holders with criminals.

:eyes:

Such fear in you, is that why you fall so easily to authoritarianism?

[cornermouse]

28. If you shoot someone I love, am I supposed to be grateful?

If you shoot someone I love, as far as I'm concerned you've become a criminal. Let me remind you that if you run over someone with your car, you're going to have charges filed against you and risk prison. Same thing with carrying a gun.

[proteus_lives]

30. Silly, bigotry and hatred.

So obvious in you.

[cornermouse]

32. I repeat. If you shoot someone I love do you really think I'm going to be grateful?

Do you really think I'm going to say "its okay" or "thank you"? No. I'm going to put you behind bars.

[Statistical]

35. "No. I'm going to put you behind bars. "

What an ego. You have no authority to put anyone behind bars for any reason. :)

[jazzhound]

31. "Often no common sense"?!?!

Too bad the unimpeachable government statistics re. the generally great behaviour of CC permit holders doesn't support your ignorant slurs.

[cornermouse]

33. Often no commons sense.

My dad used to ban people from hunting on his land for not following gun safety rules. And we had the local idiot who drove through a heavy residual area last winter trying to shoot the tires on the car of a purse snatcher. Don't tell me that CCW's have brains because they're carrying guns.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

34. Threat? Threat of what? Of lobbying for a law change?

Explain me how the post you replied to is a "threat" in any way, shape, or form.

[Cheap_Trick]

2. Proud to unrec.

-1

[proteus_lives]

21. Countered!

Fuck the Brady Bunch!

[Spoonman]

23. Countered X2

Double fuck the Brady Bunch!

[GreenStormCloud]

24. Countered +3

[Bold Lib]

3. k and r!!!! Too bad I can only recommend once.

[aikoaiko]

5. K&R -- the Brady Campaign has become laughable

The Million Mom March folded into them when that organization faded into nothingness.

Soon the Brady Campaign will face the same fate of ineffectiveness and irrelevance.

[one-eyed fat man]

8. Million Mom organizer Barbera Graham

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=28948&mesg_id=28948

Million Mom Marcher Barbara Graham was convicted on nine counts of breaking seven different gun-control laws after she shot construction worker Kikko Smith. Million Mom March (MMM) co-organizer Barbara Graham is also known as Barbara Lipscomb, Barbara Graham, Barbara Martin, Barbara Ann Lipscomb, Barbara Ann Graham, and Barbara Ann Martin.

That her kid was a gun-toting drug dealer in DC, probably had nothing to do with his getting killed. Looks like respect for law and order ran deep in that family.

http://www.tincher.to/mmmson.htm

But the adverse publicity from that incident pretty much made the Million Mom organization another shadow website of the many-named Brady organization.

[Statistical]

36. Wow. Just Wow. I never heard that one before. Doesn't really surprise me.

Most gun control types are all about "do as I say not as I do". More on the control aspect then the gun aspect.

[-..__...]

37. You mean like...

Carl Rowan...

Rowan gained public notoriety on June 14, 1988, when he shot a teenage trespasser, Neil Smith, who was on his property illegally. He was charged for firing a gun that he did not legally own. Rowan was arrested and tried. During the trial, he argued that he had the right to use whatever means necessary to protect himself and his family. Critics charged hypocrisy, since Rowan was a strict gun control advocate. In a 1981 column, he advocated "a law that says anyone found in possession of a handgun except a legitimate officer of the law goes to jail—period." In 1985, he called for "A complete and universal federal ban on the sale, manufacture, importation and possession of handguns (except for authorized police and military personnel)." <4><5>

Rowan was tried but the jury was deadlocked, the judge declared a mistrial and he was never retried. In his autobiography, Rowan said he still favors gun control, but admits being vulnerable to a charge of hypocrisy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Rowan#Controversy


Richard Mell...

In 2007 Mell failed to re-register his extensive firearms collection, as required by Chicago's gun control law, a law which he helped to write. Mell, along with Chicago Mayor Richard M. Daley, proposed a one-month amnesty, where the gun registry would be re-opened. Pistol registration was closed in 1982 and the window only allowed guns registered before then, so all new registration attempts were rejected. Mell had claimed that thousands of Chicagoans were in his situation and would benefit, but just 25 people successfully registered guns during the "amnesty."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Mell


Don Perata...

Perata is a staunch advocate of gun control. In 1999, Perata successfully drove legislation that updated the California "assault weapons ban" by adding a ban of generically-described semi-automatic firearms. Despite his efforts at gun control, for years, Perata legally carried a handgun with a concealed weapons permit he believed was necessary due to a high number of death threats he has allegedly received from certain opponents of his firearms related legislative activity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Perata#Controversy

And that's not including the numerous anti-gun politicians, celebrities and beautiful people that travel about with armed bodyguards 24/7/365.

Yep... some people really are more equal than others (they just won't openly admit it).

[SteveM]

26. Sounds like a political blackhole; who will fall into it next? nt

[Katya Mullethov]

9. The country needed them

About as much as an extra hole in their head .

[proteus_lives]

22. Wonderful!

:thumbsup:

[jazzhound]

29. Here's an article which lays out how Brady cooks the books:

Perhaps this has been posted before, but this article (to be followed by Part II) lays out some of the dishonest strategies Brady employs to mislead their loyal followers:

The Numbers Behind the Numbers

One way to improve a winning percentage is to reduce risk. Overall, Brady endorsed House candidates in 34 states; the NRA endorsed candidates in 45 states (32.3% more). Moreover, Brady endorsed 172 candidates, compared to the NRA’s 254 (47.7% more). By taking fewer risks, Brady improved their chances of posting wins in all the states where they endorsed candidates. Nevertheless, this is a mixed outcome, because the NRA won in more states: NRA-endorsed candidates posted wins in 42 of 45 states; Brady won in 34 of 34.

***snip***

It should be noted that California is rated #1 in Brady’s report card, indicating that it best fits the Brady agenda by enacting the most restrictive gun ownership laws in the country, yet the NRA nevertheless took the risk of endorsing the second-most number of candidates there.

Here's the article in it's entirety:

http://www.examiner.com/x-2879-Austin-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2009m1d29-The-Brady-Campaign-to-prevent-democracy-Part-1