Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Hearings to ammend USC 922

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Guns Donate to DU
 
Katya Mullethov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 07:07 AM
Original message
Hearings to ammend USC 922
With our newly found tranparency in Government foremost in mind , Mike insisted that I inform everybody .


//////////////////////////////////////////////
Hearings

Terrorists and Guns: The Nature of the Threat and Proposed Reforms

Wednesday, May 5, 2010
10:00 AM
Dirksen Senate Office Building, room 342

Witnesses
Panel 1

* The Honorable Frank R. Lautenberg, U.S. Senate
* The Honorable Peter T. King, U.S. House of Representatives
* The Honorable Michael R. Bloomberg, Mayor, City of New York
* The Honorable Raymond W. Kelly, Police Commissioner, City of New York

Panel 2

* Daniel D. Roberts, Assistant Director, Criminal Justice Information Services Division, Federal Bureau of Investigation, U.S. Department of Justice
* Eileen R. Larence, Director, Homeland Security and Justice, U.S. Government Accountability Office
* Sandy Jo MacArthur, Assistant Chief, Office of Administrative Services, Los Angeles Police Department
* Aaron Titus, Privacy Director, Liberty Coalition

Background information:

In February 2004, then Attorney General Alberto Gonzales directed the
Department of Justice (DOJ) Office of Legal Policy (OLP) to form a
working group to review federal firearms and explosives
laws*particularly in regard to NICS background checks*to
determine whether additional authority should be sought from Congress to
prevent firearms and explosives transfers to known and suspected
terrorists. In the 111th Congress, Senator Frank Lautenberg and
Representative Peter King have reintroduced a bill (S. 1317/H.R. 2159)
that would authorize the Attorney General to deny the transfer of
firearms or the issuance of firearms and explosives licenses to known or
suspected terrorists. This bill reportedly reflects a legislative
proposal developed by DOJ.

In general, this bill would amend the Gun Control Act (GCA) to grant
the Attorney General the discretionary authority to deny a firearm
transfer or state-issued firearms permit to any prospective transferee
or permittee through Brady background checks, if the Attorney General
determines that the prospective transferee is known (or appropriately
suspected) to be or to have been engaged in conduct constituting,
preparation for, in aid of, or related to terrorism, or providing
material support or resources for terrorism, and has a reasonable belief
that the prospective transferee may use the firearm in connection with
terrorism (proposed 18 U.S.C. §§ 922A and B). The bill would make
similar amendments to the provisions of the GCA governing the processes
by which federal firearms dealer licenses are issued and revoked (18
U.S.C. §§ 923(d) and (e)).

The bill would also amend the GCA provision (18 U.S.C. § 922(g)) that
enumerates several classes of persons who are prohibited from shipping,
transporting, possessing, or receiving a firearm or ammunition, so that
it would include persons who were the subject of terrorism-related
determinations (described above). The bill would amend the GCA provision
(18 U.S.C. § 922(d)) that prohibits any person from transferring a
firearm to any prohibited person to include any person who was the
subject of a terrorism-related determination as well. In addition, the
bill would amend the NICS background check provisions (18 U.S.C. §
922(t)) to reflect that the Attorney General would have this new
discretionary authority under the proposed 18 U.S.C. §§ 922A and B.

With regard to NICS denials of firearms transfers or state-issued
firearms permits based upon terrorist watch list hits and subsequent
determinations by the Attorney General, the bill would amend the Brady
Act (P.L. 103-159) to allow a denied prospective transferee to request
from the Attorney General the reasons for the denial, but it would also
give the Attorney General the authority to withhold those reasons if he
determines that such a disclosure would compromise national security.
The bill would make a similar amendment to the Brady Act in regard to
correction of erroneous information.

Furthermore, the bill would amend the GCA provision that addresses
erroneous denials (18 U.S.C. § 925A), to allow any person denied a
firearms-related transfer or permit to challenge that determination in
U.S. court within 60 days of that determination. This proposed amendment
would require the court to sustain the Attorney General’s
determination upon a showing by the U.S. Government a preponderance of
evidence standard that the determination satisfied the proposed
provisions described above (18 U.S.C. §§ 922A and B). The proposed
amendment would also allow the court to rely upon summaries or redacted
versions of documents underlying those determinations, if those
documents contained information that could compromise national security,
but it would also allow a court to review the full, undisclosed
documents ex parte and in camera at the court’s option or on the
motion of the petitioner (denied person). The proposed amendment would
also allow the court to determine whether the summaries or redacted
versions of the documents were fair and accurate representations of the
underlying documents; however, it would not allow the court to overturn
the Attorney General’s determination based on the full and un-redacted
documents.


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
OneTenthofOnePercent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 08:16 AM
Response to Original message
1. While nobody wants terrorists to have guns... this measure appears to circumvent due process.
Edited on Wed May-05-10 08:52 AM by OneTenthofOnePercent
In addition to (very likely) being unconstitutional... the phrase "fox guarding the hen house" comes to mind.

Something like this would have to go through congress as a bill... right?
Even if this "hearing" backs these measures... I can't see congress critters supporting this.
The grabbers just don't have the political capital to waste on jim-crow style gun control.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 10:45 AM
Response to Original message
2. What a fair and balanced panel.
No agendas there, not a one, no sir....
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jeepnstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 11:20 AM
Response to Original message
3. Just in time...
to give them something to chew on for the November election cycle. No good will come of this. Other than the guy who shot up Ft. Hood, how many terrorists have used firearms against us? Seeing as how that guy was an officer in the U.S. Army I have doubts if he was on anyone's watch list anyway.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 11:30 AM
Response to Original message
4. Just finished watching this on cspan-3
Man, they can't help but trot out their favorite hobby horses, can they?

-so called "gun show loophole" - which Bloomie actually _lied_ about, I'll quote the record when it comes out.
-Tiahrt amendment
-registration

What a joke.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 05:23 PM
Response to Original message
5. "grant the Attorney General the discretionary authority to deny" is a license to abuse RKBA. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 05:26 PM
Response to Original message
6. Link to Senate Committee Hearings below.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Katya Mullethov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 06:37 PM
Response to Reply #6
8. muchos muchos
Garcias !
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 06:44 PM
Response to Reply #6
9. Hrmm.. these are prepared statements..
I wish someone would transcribe what they actually, said, it was a bit different than these statements.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 07:29 PM
Response to Reply #6
11. Note Senator Lautenberg and Congressman King use "terror gap". That's the new scare tactic like "gun
show loophole".
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 06:09 PM
Response to Original message
7. k&r important proposal that gives Atty General unilateral power that is easily abused. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
kelly1mm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 07:06 PM
Response to Original message
10. Do the Democrats dislike being in power so much that they
want to push this LOOSER issue again. I can understand having to get into the immigration issue due to the AZ law but to give these two issues to the rebubs right before the election seems like political suicide.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 08:28 PM
Response to Original message
12. Every anti-RKBA politician will jump on the bandwagon to close the "terror gap". n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
-..__... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 09:22 PM
Response to Original message
13. Last of the Neanderthals.
Lautenberg... age 86

Bloomberg... age 68

Their time will soon pass and and along with them, their unconstitutional beliefs.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
HALO141 Donating Member (425 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 05:42 PM
Response to Reply #13
16. Meh...
I fear there is a never-ending line of them just waiting in the wings.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 07:09 AM
Response to Original message
14. kick. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 05:28 PM
Response to Original message
15. Kick. See S. 1317: Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous Terrorists Act of 2009
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu Apr 25th 2024, 03:10 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Guns Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC