Gun Control advocates favorite "Wild Wild West" mantra, laid to rest at Boot Hill

[virginia mountainman]

Time and time again, we civil rights advocates, are faced with the IQ draining lines parroted by the Anti-Civil rights advocates... One of the favorite ones is the "wild wild west"... Like the wild wild west, was full of gun crime...

Such a simple statement, is easy for the "dumb masses" to grab onto as it is easily understood, by those who, have emotional based thought process instead of logic based ones.. After all, they watch wild west TV shows all these years, and it certainly "makes sense, that the "Wild Wild West" was a gun crime ridden place and time..

But in truth...It was a VERY PEACEFULLY TIME.... Just look at the numbers...

In Abilene, Ellsworth, Wichita, Dodge City, and Caldwell, for the years from 1870 to 1885 (prime time for the wild west), there were only 45 total homicides. This equates to a rate of approximately 1 murder per 100,000 residents per year.

In Abilene, supposedly one of the wildest of the cow towns, not a single person was killed in 1869 or 1870.

Zooming forward over a century to 2007, a quick look at Uniform Crime Report statistics shows us the following regarding the aforementioned gun control “paradise” cities of the east:

DC – 183 Murders (31 per 100,000 residents)
New York – 494 Murders (6 per 100,000 residents)
Baltimore – 281 Murders (45 per 100,000 residents)
Newark – 104 Murders (37 per 100,000 residents)

It doesn't take rocket science to see, that living today, in Baltimore, is far, far, more dangerous than being in Dodge City in 1870....

So, we always peaceful, gun rights advocates, should, when the term "wild west" is tossed out, should agree whole heartedly that YES, returning to those times, would save hundreds and hundreds of lives....

VM

[rrneck]

1. Seems to me

that population density has more to do with violent crime than the weapons available. That and income distribution.

[virginia mountainman]

2. Correct...and the numbers bear your statement out..NT

[rrneck]

8. So why

in the good god almighty fuck can't some highly educated urban dwelling liberals figure that out?

I think it's past my bedtime...

[beevul]

12. I suspect...

"So why in the good god almighty fuck can't some highly educated urban dwelling liberals figure that out?"

I suspect it has something to do with taking political actions and/or holding a position based almost entirely on personal biases.

And has nothing to do with numbers that are in conflict with those same biases.

[rrneck]

30. Yep. nt

[virginia mountainman]

14. Some people hate, facts, that mess with preconceived ideals...

This is a lot of the same problems most Repukes have... They refuse to change directions, even when it is obvious, they have been very wrong over the years..

[rrneck]

33. Republican dupes maybe? nt

[HeresyLives]

36. AHAHAHAHAHA say the gun guys.

[rd_kent]

146. Ahahahaha! Says the "we should all have phasers, set to stun" girl.....

The stupid...IT BURNS!!!!

[SteveM]

132. Gun-control advocates are too busy watching old Gunsmoke re-runs...

for their upper division social science equivalency course work, of course.

[rrneck]

143. Heh. On Betamax. nt

[rd_kent]

145. Because it doesn't make them "feel good".....

[ClassWarrior]

5. Yup. Population density, income distribution and...

...the related matter of a corporate-driven society that equates self-worth with wealth and possessions.

But that's no reason go around striking matches in powder kegs.

NGU.

[rrneck]

9. Oh shit.

Don't get me started. You said a mouth full.

[HeresyLives]

3. LOL oh do be serious.

You've had how many generations of 'wild west' myth dumped in your brains now?

Nobody cares what the stats are...since nobody counted em anyway in that era...they just remember how exciting those Saturday afternoon matinees, or TV shows were.

Mister Dilllllon....!

And since people are now going armed to the grocery store, or even in their backyard, that pretty much kills your argument.

A 'gun culture' makes a society less safe, not more so. :rofl:

[virginia mountainman]

4. You know....You should pay close attention..

It was YOUR post in another thread that got me to look up some numbers on the "Wild Wild West"....

I am sorry, if this makes you uncomfortable, but the statistics don't lie...

[HeresyLives]

10. The 'olde west' was an invention of Hollywood.

And you've bought into it for whatever reason. Maybe you should check your ears for soapbubbles.

'Virginia Mountainman' and 'rrneck'....tell me YOU two aren't role-playing.

Do you dress up on weekends?

[rrneck]

11. Maybe you should

stay in school till you learn how to read.

[HeresyLives]

13. I'm 63, sonny.

So don't try selling me any of your soap opries.

[rrneck]

15. I'm sorry.

Maybe you should have STAYED in school until you LEARNED how to read.

[HeresyLives]

17. I read history. You should try it.

Then you wouldn't be bamboozled by horse operas on the tellyvision.

[virginia mountainman]

21. He is not the one....

Talking about the return of the "wild wild west" Sir, YOU are...

[HeresyLives]

24. I sez, golleee, anyone called 'virginia mountainman'

isn't exactly living in this century.

You never LEFT the 'wild wild west'.

[virginia mountainman]

25. Personal attacks on me, does not change the facts Sir....NT

[HeresyLives]

29. Neither do personal attacks on me, and it's ma'am.

[virginia mountainman]

31. I am sorry about that...ma'am...NT

[HeresyLives]

34. Yup, I'm the 'schoolmarm' in the yarn.

Or the bargirl like Miss Kitty...whatever show was yer favorite.

[virginia mountainman]

39. Actually, I never liked westerns.... unlike most kids of my generation, I did not watch much TV

I much preferred music, and reading books to TV.

I still do..

[HeresyLives]

41. Ahhh Zane Grey.

And all the other 'westerns'.

[virginia mountainman]

47. ahh, Zane Grey...My mother collected those books...

We had a huge bookcase full of hard backed Zane Grey books....I never read a one..

I was big into non-fiction...Would rather read the encyclopedia than that.

Actually, I DID read the encyclopedias..

[HeresyLives]

51. Yup, my parents too.

I read them and the encyclopedia.

Anything else you'd like to brag about Slim? Er...mountainman?

[virginia mountainman]

61. Not a brag, just a comment...

I don't even know where those books are now.

And yes, I am, a Virginia Mountain Man...

[HeresyLives]

64. Kay...sorry.

However, I'm sure that even in the mountains of Virginia you have education, TVs, the Enlightenment, and obviously, computers.

Your name gives me a picture of a fringed leather jacket and a coonskin hat. ;)

[virginia mountainman]

83. DUPE...

[virginia mountainman]

85. DUPE

[virginia mountainman]

86. No, I don't like leather clothing (except good sturdy foot ware), nor do I own a coonskin hat..

I don't fit the mold, at all to what most people expect to tell you the truth.

I have lived in Appalachia, ALL, my life, my wife is from here, I am proud of "my people" even if they sometimes do stupid things. They are still my people.

But to be honest, I do love bluegrass music, cool, fresh mountain air, and the clear waters of a nearby stream. The lack of "man made" sounds at nice are amazing, and the ability, to let my kids, roam far and wide, without worry is a huge plus as well. As depressed and as poor as this area is, I could never leave these mountains, this is where my ancestors have lived since the 1700's. The warmness of the people, and inherent kindness of most "my people" make it a very special place on this earth.

My wife and I, are both collage educated, she MUCH more than me, and we have managed to eek out a good living in this area, for us, and our children.

It is my duty, as a Virginian, to be a great neighbor, citizen, and husband to my wife, and to raise my children in the best way possible, in education, socially, and to be safe. This spot, in the bosom of mountains in southern Virginia, fit the bill nicely. These mountains, which have protected my family for for dozens of generations. Will do fine for the next generation as well. Until they area ready to leave and go to collage.

Our ancestors, would have it no other way...

Their are several people in here that just love to poke fun, and make redneck jokes, at my expense, I just LOL to myself, and wonder just how terrible their lives are, for them to feel the need to make disparaging comments about others.

Than I chuckle, even more when I realize, just how UN-redneck I really am..LOL I used to be called a "prep" in school!! LOL

But I am, a resident of Appalachia...I would have it no other way.

[HeresyLives]

89. Well, that's very tribal.

But I'm glad you're happy with it.

Eventually the place will be too small for your progeny tho.

[oneshooter]

138. How very elitist of you. n/t

[GreenStormCloud]

126. Try Louis L'Amour, he was a much better writer. N/T

[SteveM]

137. Ah, who thought of Zane Grey first? Not a 2A advocate. nt

[SteveM]

136. Virginia? The "wild wild west?" You should study geography as well. nt

[rd_kent]

150. Oh, I see, youre a psychologist now, able to discern the nature of a person from a screenname?

Heresy lives is VERY telling then.

[PavePusher]

157. Virginia is the 'wild wild west'?

Ummm, you may have read history (although you certainly don't demonstrate it), but your geography is definite FAIL.

[rrneck]

22. Read history?

You are history. And if you can't come up with a better idea than the one found by over 80 million Americans, you will continue to be so.

[HeresyLives]

27. LOL sez the guy 'packing heat'.

The rest of the world....6 billion people...have a better idea.

Stop shooting everybody up.

[rrneck]

37. If you have a better idea let's hear it. nt

[HeresyLives]

40. Put the guns away, and stop playing cowboy.

Maybe then you wouldn't have your schools and workplaces shot up on a regular basis.

[rrneck]

55. Are you advocating the removal of firearms altogether

or an adjustment in existing firearms regulations?

[HeresyLives]

57. Firearms should be strictly controlled.

They aren't toys.

[virginia mountainman]

62. their are 20,000 gun laws on the books..

They are strictly controled...If you wish to own one LEGALY.

[HeresyLives]

66. Not enforced, obviously.

Or very loose...otherwise none of these incidents would happen.

People wouldn't even think of carrying guns, hidden or otherwise. It would be something entirely outside of their experience.

[rrneck]

67. What sort of strict control do you advocate? nt

[HeresyLives]

74. Background check, damn good reason for having one,

and no walking about carrying one.

[rrneck]

87. Fine.

http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cjisd/nics.htm
NICS: The National Instant Criminal Background Check System
The National Instant Criminal Background Check System, or NICS, is all about saving lives and protecting people from harm—by not letting guns and explosives fall into the wrong hands. It also ensures the timely transfer of firearms to eligible gun buyers

As far as carrying - What solution do you offer those who are walking around and get attacked by an unarmed assailant?

[HeresyLives]

93. Doesn't seem to be working very well.

Here's a hint...I've never been attacked by an assailant...armed or otherwise.

Nor do I know anyone else who has, and I know thousands of people after 63 years.

Probably everyone in the street would grab them.

[rrneck]

107. There's that e word again.

You see, nobody really cares who you know, where you've been, or what you think unless you can produce a remedy for all the people who would be disarmed because of you policy proposals. Arrogance personified.

[HeresyLives]

109. Yer attacked a lot areya?

Could be a good reason for that. LOL

The US has a gun problem, simple as that.

It's up to you to solve it.

I'm just telling you that others don't have the problem. Different culture than yours.

[rd_kent]

151. The ignorance is STRONG in this one.

[Euromutt]

124. Ah, it's the "BEIKVFMcG syndrome" again

"BEIKVFMcG" being short for "But Everyone I Know Voted For McGovern," an exclamation (incorrectly) attributed to Pauline Kael, expressing her disbelief at Nixon's re-election. It indicates the mistaken belief that one's views represent those of a majority, even an overwhelming majority, based on interacting with a non-representative sample of the population.

I know plenty of people who have been the victim of violent crime, myself included. Years before we met, my wife was assaulted by a knife-wielding would-be rapist while she was working alone in a framing shop in California; she saved herself by good situational awareness (keeping the counter which ran the full width of the store between him and herself) and threatening him with a pepper spray that she wasn't legally allowed to have, but which her brother had bought for her in Washington state.

I've been attacked by unarmed assailants on three occasions (while "everyone in the street" stood by without so much as calling the cops, trying to "not get involved"), and I once had the good fortune to arrive at my local post office ten minutes after it and the customers present had been robbed by two gunmen. All these incidents occurred in the Netherlands, incidentally (I'm originally from there).

Also in the Netherlands, an acquaintance of mine got into a disagreement with two guys in a nightclub, which resulted in one of the two guys attacking him with a knife. My acquaintance actually prevented being stabbed in the abdomen by raising his leg and taking the blade in his thigh, and then disarmed his assailant by using his thigh muscles to wrench the knife out of the guy's hand, but then, he was a 2nd kyū (senior brown belt) in Wadō-ryū karate at the time.

I also have a couple of friends and former fellow students who have been mugged, mostly at knifepoint, or been raped (one at gunpoint, the rest by means of personal force).

Hell, the statistics are available on violent crime. In the 2004-2005 International Criminal Victims Survey, of Canadian respondents, 0.8% reported having been robbed in the previous year, 0.8% (of female respondents only) reported being sexually assaulted, and 1.3% reported being assaulted. That's over a one-year period. Just because you (claim you) don't know anyone who's been the victim of a violent crime doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

[GreenStormCloud]

125. I know several who have been attacked, unprovoked.

Some have had intruders breaking into their homes, or cars while they were in them. Some had no weapons to defend themselves and were injured, some had guns and resisted and were not injured.

You are most fortunate to have lived so isolated that violent crime not only has not happened to you, but not even to anyone you know. That is a very sheltered life.

[PavePusher]

158. I wish you luck with that Constitutional Amendment. n/t

[AtheistCrusader]

173. They are strictly controlled.

At the federal and state level. The applicable statutes can fill volumes of books.

[Fixed_Based_Operator]

174. Guns are NOT toys

neither are cars. If you had the power to remove one of the following from the streets, which would you choose?

1. Double barrel shotgun
2. 16 year old girl texting while driving

[Name removed]

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[AtheistCrusader]

172. Schools, and for the most part, workplaces are already gun free zones.

I put away my gun every day when I go to work. People still have been shot at there.

One of these days it might be me, and I won't have anything with which to protect myself. Despite being trained, licensed, and fully capable. And the best part is, you would just use my death as another data point to justify disarming more law abiding citizens, creating more unarmed victims.

[Euromutt]

88. The rest of the world has a better idea, eh?

Bulgaria:
"Bulgarian Policeman Dies of Gunfight Wounds" (12-Aug-2009) http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=106721
"Child Shot Dead in Bloody Outburst in Bulgaria’s Yambol" (18-Nov-2009) http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=110131
"Mass Fight Leads to Gangland Shootout in Bulgaria's Plovdiv" (11-Jan-2010) http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=111828

Netherlands:
"Another fatal shooting shocks Amsterdam's Bijlmer neighbourhood" (23-Sep-2009) http://www.nrc.nl/international/Features/article2367291.ece/Another_fatal_shooting_shocks_Amsterdams_Bijlmer_neighbourhood

United Kingdom:
"Teenagers hurt in street shooting" (12-Sep-2009) http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8252237.stm
"Man shot dead in Asda car park in Glasgow" (13-Jan-2010) http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/glasgow_and_west/8457418.stm
"Man arrested after Swindon shooting" (17-Jan-2009) http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/wiltshire/8464351.stm
"Teens injured in west Belfast laneway shooting" (23-Jan-2010) http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/8476481.stm

Canada:
"Police identify man shot in car in East Vancouver" (28-Jan-2010) http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20100128/bc_shooting_identity_100128/20100128?hub=BritishColumbiaHome
"Shot fired during attempted robbery in Eastern Passage" (29-Jan-2010) http://www.cbc.ca/canada/nova-scotia/story/2010/01/29/ns-robbery-shots.html
"Shooting sends one to hospital" (30-Jan-2010) http://calgary.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20100130/CGY_marda_loop_shooting_100130/20100130/?hub=CalgaryHome

Japan:
"Three hurt in rare Japan shooting" (06-Nov-2009) http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8345953.stm
"Deadly shooting at bar in western Japan" (12-Jan-2010) http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8454625.stm

Seems "the rest of the world" didn't get your memo.

[HeresyLives]

91. Yes, they do.

And I could have saved you a lot of time and trouble by simply telling you, had you asked, that people get shot in other countries as well.

However, only the US has the carnage rate of a gun culture.

[rrneck]

94. Yeah,

after you got busted. :rofl:

[HeresyLives]

96. Now you think you have all the guns

in the world? Or did you think you invented them?

Sorry dude...everybody has a murder rate.

Your's is just higher than the rest of the world put together.

[rrneck]

100. Trot off now and produce a link if you want to be taken seriously. nt

[HeresyLives]

102. LOL 8 days until the Olympics boyo.

You got one of them-there tellyvision sets?

[rrneck]

104. So, what will police response time

be when the military leaves? A link would give you credibility.

[HeresyLives]

111. Same as it was before.

Since we don't have all this crime you apparently do.

Most days/nights at the cop stations here are boring in fact.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

118. Your rural town has more than 1 police station?

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

105. Sorry you are just dead ass wrong about that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

[HeresyLives]

110. Well dad-burn it.

I guess if yor comparin yorself to Somalia, yor better off.

I assumed you meant advanced western countries.

You know, that concept I started out telling you about...civilization.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

119. That wasn't what you said. I'll be happy to provide the quote.

Sorry dude...everybody has a murder rate.

Your's is just higher than the rest of the world put together.

[Euromutt]

120. Only if you ignore a few countries

The Russian homicide rate is over three times that of the United States (16.5/100,000 to 5.4/100,000). In 2001, it was over six times the U.S. rate (31/100,000 to 5.7/100,000).

Until very recently, the intentional homicide rate in Brazil was five times that of the United states; it has since dropped to just under four times that of the U.S. (~20/100,000 to 5.4/100,000). Though the population of Brazil is less 2/3 of the U.S.'s, the absolute number of homicides in Brazil in 2003, 2005 and 2006 was about triple that in the United States (2003: 51,043 to 16,582; 2005: 47,578 to 16,692; 2006: 49,145 to 17,034).

The South African homicide rate is over six times that of the United States (37/100,000 to 5.4/100,000).

In 2005, Jamaica had the highest intentional homicide rate in the world, 64/100,000; that same year, the U.S. rate was 5.5/100,000.

And do not think for a second that firearms do not play a major role in the homicide rates of Brazil and Jamaica. All over the Americas (including the Caribbean), levels of violence are closely tied to drug gang activity, and (semi-)organized crime can financially afford to lay its hands on firearms no matter how illegal they are.

[rd_kent]

153. Willful ignorance and cognitive dissonance. Thats all this poster has going here.

[rd_kent]

148. She had to WALK to school, 5 miles, uphill, in the snow, with no shoes....

[rrneck]

156. And fighting

off snow snakes with her trusty RCMP officer strapped to her side.

[oneshooter]

165. She had to WALK to school, 5 miles, uphill, in the snow, with no shoes, and uphill both ways!!

There I completed it for ya!

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

[virginia mountainman]

19. I am not trying to sell you anything...

I am just trying to give you factual information. So you won't repeat the "wild wild west" line somewhere else, and look like a follower of Republicans Sara Brady, Micheal Bloomberg, and Paul Helmke, when they use those lines..

Makes them look like an idiot...

[HeresyLives]

20. LOL the rest of the world has facts.

You have Hollywood fantasies.

[virginia mountainman]

23. Nope, I posted statistics...

I didn't use a line, without checking first....Like YOU did....

[HeresyLives]

28. Yeah, and found yer 'olde west' is utter fiction.

[virginia mountainman]

35. No, the stereotypical "old west" is..

You know the one with near daily murders....That one that gets referred to by gun control advocates...The one YOU referred too in another thread...

[HeresyLives]

38. Yup, the Hollywood invention.

The one you guys are so keen on.

[virginia mountainman]

44. Who said that??

I was referring to the REAL old west...

With crime rates that are minuscule by today's standards...

[HeresyLives]

46. I did.

The REAL old west was very sparsely populated. There weren't enough people around to actually HAVE a crime rate. LOL

But potboilers were written to exite the 'easterners' and make em want to come west for adventure.

Hollywood just picked up on that.

Dusters were an entire industry for years and years.

Roy Rogers, John Wayne, Hopalong Cassidy...and other fantasies.

[virginia mountainman]

50. Now, their is somthing we can agree on....NT

[GreenStormCloud]

127. Hey, you left out the best fantasy, The Lone Ranger.

I loved that series as a kid. Each episode had an inspirational message about law and justice.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

45. and we have a Constitution.

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[rd_kent]

154. Prime example of cognitive dissonance, right there.

[proteus_lives]

121. And you've proven that age doesn't bring wisdom.

[rrneck]

26. Ah.

Polishing up on those observational skills I see.

[HeresyLives]

32. Hey, they're your ears, not mine.

[rrneck]

42. Okay, that one went completely off the rails.

What in the hell are you talking about?

[HeresyLives]

43. Grown adults playing cowboy.

[rrneck]

48. Oh. Aren't you clever.

At this point, why don't you produce some evidence to discredit the OP. Or for that matter anything that anybody else has said so far, because you are behaving like a spoiled child. Not that's a bad thing...

[HeresyLives]

54. 'Live the fantasy', as they say.

I have no urge to discredit anyone, just this brainwashing so many have bought into.

It's the 21st century...try and leave the 19th eh?

[rrneck]

58. Soooooooo,

deprogram everyone here. What solution do you offer someone who is assaulted by an individual armed with a knife, club, fists or feet?

[HeresyLives]

60. Call a cop. It's what the rest of the world does.

And if none of yours are answering calls, fire them and hire some decent ones, and fund them properly.

If I needed a cop for a gun incident right now, I'd have 20 cars within minutes.

Why don't you?

[virginia mountainman]

65. Good for you...

It takes the police 45 minutes to get ONE, to my house... And its not for lack of trying....It is a LONG DISTANCE CALL, for me to call the sheriffs office...

How do you propose to "fix that"?

[HeresyLives]

68. Hey, you pay em. No value for money?

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[rrneck]

69. Where do you live? nt

[HeresyLives]

71. I've lived all over, currently in Ontario Canada.

[rrneck]

80. Ah. Why am I not surprised.

After a cursory search I found this:

http://www.vancouversun.com/More+officers+means+improved+police+response+time+Vancouver+chief/1997022/story.html
VANCOUVER — The Vancouver police department has reduced the average response time to Priority 1 calls — emergency calls that may be life-threatening — to eight minutes 53 seconds, down from an average of nine minutes eight seconds during the last quarter of the 2009 fiscal year.

See? There's a link up there and everything.

Almost nine minutes is ample time to be knifed or even beaten to a bloody pulp. Nice try. Thanks for playing.

[HeresyLives]

81. Um...the Olympic games mean the military is there.

See...don't bring a knife to a gunfight, son.

Code of the west, and all. :rofl:

[rrneck]

97. LOL!

It's NINE MINUTES WITH THE MILITARY? Not much to brag about. Have you produced a link yet? No.

[HeresyLives]

99. ?? Where did anyone say that?

And if you don't know about the Olympics you must be hiding with the groundhogs until tomorrow.

[rrneck]

103. ...

HeresyLives (1000+ posts) Tue Feb-02-10 12:05 AM
Response to Reply #95
97. Um...the Olympic games mean the military is there.


Where's that link?

[HeresyLives]

115. You are unaware of the 1 billion bucks in security

at the Olympic games?? Gee, and our PM has bragged about it so much. LOL

Cops, mounties and the military. Army, navy, and fighter jets...kidjanot.

Tune in to the Olympics and you can see it all.

[PavePusher]

170. Soooo, what do the great unwashed do after the army leaves town? n/t

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

73. It would seem someone has never lived in a rural area and has lived a very sheltered life.

63 years worth anyway.

[HeresyLives]

75. I'm currently in a rural area, and have otherwise lived

all over. Sorry to disabuse you.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

76. You live in a rural area and can get 20 cop cars in minutes. Is it a prison?

[HeresyLives]

78. LOL no, we actually have roads up here...and cops.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

82. You have 20 police cars within minutes of your home? Do you mean 59 minutes?

[HeresyLives]

84. Deaf or blind?

I mean in less than 5 minutes.

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[GreenStormCloud]

140. That assumes that your attacker generously allows you to call the police.

If he takes your phone away, you are likely to have a much longer wait - perhaps you may wait for the rest of your life.

[57_TomCat]

160. In my capacity as a US cop...

I have found the comment below to be accurate and often dangerous or deadly to the victims.

"When seconds count...the police are only minutes away."

In my home my wife can easily call the cops when I am on duty. Assuming she has her cell phone on her or is near the wired phone in the house. The local sheriff's office, Orange County FL,(large civilized area of the country with an efficient and modern law enforcement force) can get a deputy there in 3 to 5 minutes IF they are not busy on other calls or short handed. She has access to and knows how to shoot pistols and pepper spray if the need is there and "the cops" have not yet made an appearance. I hope she nevers needs them. I am very glad however that she has them.

[GreenStormCloud]

131. When seconds count, the cops are only minutes away.

The problem is that when a mugger is about to attack, I need help IMMEDIATELY. One minute later is much too late. With a gun, I can defend myself against a stronger criminal, with no waiting.

[GreenStormCloud]

130. My guns are modern 21st century designs. I am up-to-date. N/T

[GreenStormCloud]

129. Have you been to any "Cowboy Action Shooting" events?

Here is a link to their website: http://www.sassnet.com/

Looks like fun. I haven't joined, but I have a friend who keeps inviting me to go to a meet. Looks like fun.

[oneshooter]

134. And they are even in Canada!!

http://www.eohc.ca/cas.asp

http://www.kanadakidd.com/index.php?area_id=1002

http://www.wssclub.com/

http://www.sassnet.com/AClubs-Canada-001A.php

Yep, them thar cowboys are EVERYWHERE!!!

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

[Euromutt]

108. I believe that was the point that was being made

Namely, that the popular conception of the "Wild West" is one based in fiction rather than reality. How you conclude that it's the very people who are pointing out that this is so buy into the idea that the Hollywood version of the "Wild West" is the real one can only be ascribed to assimilation bias on your part.

[HeresyLives]

112. Ahhh. Well it's not my myth, I'm the one pointing it out.

[Euromutt]

164. By "pointing it out," you mean...

...falsely attributing a belief in it to the very people who already pointed out that it's a myth, right? Because you keep harping on about how Virginia Mountainman and RRNeck buy into it, when they've been the ones pointing out from the start of this thread that the popular perception of the "Wild West" is the product of fictional motion pictures and television shows. I just can't quite wrap my head around how you manage to do this without your head splitting open from the force of the cognitive dissonance.

[SteveM]

135. "Olde West" an invention of Hollywood? Seems gun-controllers can't get enough of it. nt

[beevul]

16. Interesting...

"A 'gun culture' makes a society less safe, not more so."

An interesting opinion, even if not representative of reality.



And of course, thats all it is. An opinion.

[HeresyLives]

18. The crowded cities all around the world,

manage just fine without everyone playing cowboy. That's not opinion, that's fact.

[rrneck]

52. So, please

produce evidence to support your "facts".

[HeresyLives]

56. How many countries are infamous for 'going postal?'

One.

How many countries are infamous for school shoot-ups?

One.

How many countries are famous for Hollywood stories about the old west?

One.

I rest my case.

[rrneck]

63. I guess being 63 and all

you probably aren't aware that supporting one opinion with another is not considered evidence in any of the cities you listed. What you have to do to be taken seriously (which hasn't happened yet here) is to provide a hyperlink to a reputable source to support the opinion you just pulled out of your ass.

If you hadn't spent all that time reading historical romance novels and cracked the cover on something with footnotes you'd be a bit more familiar with the concept.

[HeresyLives]

70. LOL I've lived all over.

Only in the US do you engage in circular arguments and personal attacks to try and look like Matt Dillon.

3 degrees, buddy. Live with it.

[rrneck]

114. With three degrees

common courtesy should not be beyond you.

I have to go to bed now but I'll let you in on a little secret. The more we keep you talking, the worse you look. The arrogant, belligerent, obtuse, combative, elitist drivel you have put up here is the personification of everything that has gone wrong with the liberal obsession with gun control. And the fact that you are a Canadian is icing on the cake.

You see, a lot of people read what gets posted here. Everything you have said will get plastered all over other boards as an example of how wrong headed your approach to firearms violence really is. Your attitude sells guns, and every time you open your mouth another Colt goes out the door.

As long as we keep you talking, we can use you as an example of how NOT to do liberal politics in America. And we don't even have to make an American look like an idiot to do it.

So, if you want to feel all macho by wrangling with those American gun owners, by all means fire away. And thank you...

[HeresyLives]

116. Yeppir.

And I've been polite the whole time. It's the Canadian way.

Not my problem you're a redneck. We have some of those up here too, we just ignore them.

Just kindly don't pretend anything I've said sells guns. You just use any excuse to buy them. LOL

[GreenStormCloud]

142. Sadly, no more new Colts to ordinary civilians.

Colt only markets to governments. They caved in to pressure from the gun-grabbers. It will be interesting to see what they do after McDonald.

[rrneck]

144. Say it ain't so! Shows how out of the loop I am. nt

[Fixed_Based_Operator]

176. Who are the gun grabbers?

Seriously? Are we shooting ourselves in the foot here? (no pun intended)

[PavePusher]

168. Game, Set, Match. n/t

[GreenStormCloud]

141. Three degrees? I just checked the weather for Tronto and it is -5C.

Perhaps you may wish to check your thermometer again.

[rrneck]

149. Give her credit. She's still below zero. nt

[Fixed_Based_Operator]

175. Why do you care anyway?

Where do you live again?

This is one of our problems.

Do you think there is a division amongst the freepers about the gun issue?

[Euromutt]

98. Small correction there

How many countries are infamous for school shoot-ups?

One.

I'm sorry, but have you not been following the international news for the past ten years. Do the names Erfurt, Emsdetten and Winnenden ring a bell? How about Beslan? Last November, Beauvrais narrowly avoided being added to the list when a boy's parents noticed after he had left the house, but before he had reached his school, that he'd taken his father's shotgun and 25 cartridges with him, and written on his blog "Today is the last day of my life."

None of these towns are in the United States. May I suggest you are suffering from assimilation/confirmation bias?

[HeresyLives]

101. Rarities elsewhere.

And usually copycats from the US. Well known in your country...every week it seems.

May I suggest you're in denial?

[Euromutt]

161. May I suggest you're moving the goalposts?

Maybe you need to think before you make insupportable assertions and try to pass them off as fact, rather than backpedaling and casting aspersions on the people who have the temerity to point out the factual inaccuracy of your claims.

I would also suggest that you stop attributing your personal opinion to the entire rest of the world minus the United States; an argumentum ad populum is a fallacy even when it's not a fabrication.

[rd_kent]

155. Your "case" needs to be looked at by a professional.

You really are delusional and should seek help.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

53. Ahh, Mexico City the beacon of peace and tranquility. Their strict gun laws make it safe. LOL.

[HeresyLives]

59. Paris, London, Rome, Stockholm, Toronto, Copenhagen...

[friendly_iconoclast]

162. You 'forgot' Geneva and Zurich. Or do they not count for you?

All that quiet, prosperous tranquility. And widespread ownership of assault rifles...

[PavePusher]

169. Ha! There some parts of Paris, London, Rome and Toronto you obviously haven't been to.

Strangely, even the police don't go there often either, and never in small groups.

Odd, that.

[SteveM]

133. Some more errors...

The gun-controllers ALWAYS bring up the Wild Wild West mythology to support their arguments, even when the evidence does not support their B-movie poppycock.

It seems you really agree with the pro-2A folks here! Guns were quite prevalent in the West ("grocery" store, backyard), and yet the crime rate was low. You need much more than your toss-away argument "nobody counted em anyway in that era." Unless you really want to let everyone know your contempt for inquiry and serious study: "Nobody cares what the stats are." Goodness. Goodness, goodness, goodness.

Finally, you have NO EVIDENCE to support "A 'gun culture' makes a society less safe, not more so." You only offer Bible-quote-type chants.

No evidence at all.

[rd_kent]

147. "A 'gun culture' makes a society less safe, not more so". The FACT do not agree with you.

Can you provide something other than your infinite wisdom to back up that claim?

[friendly_iconoclast]

163. Like Switzerland, in other words?

Why the gangbangers of Berne are known worldwide!

[beevul]

6. Ohhhh ...thats one of my favorites...

Hey, maybe we could make our own gungeon production...

Any suggestions of who gets to play Miguelito Loveless? Maybe we could get dennis hennigan to assume the part...not that hed have to act much...



And maybe paul helmke could play Miguelito junior:




Ohhhh...wild wild west...Nevermind... :evilgrin:

[virginia mountainman]

7. LOL!!!!

:spray:

[Recursion]

77. Then again, there was some pretty strict gun control in some cow towns

Arguing from history is always problematic. And yet again we're at a 50-year low in violent crime right now; like C. S. Lewis said, whatever people are freaking out about in a given generation is never the problem.

[HeresyLives]

79. Well you have to keep an eye on those cows.

They get restless at night. :hi:

[northofdenali]

90. I like being able, as a law-abiding citizen, to own guns.

I have several. No need to list, but they include a rifle, pistol and shotgun.

I live in a relatively unpopulated area. Most of our gun crime? Gangs/gangstas (including many from the U. S. Army) from elsewhere with no intention or reason for becoming part of our community.

And they say we don't like the Army in this town? No shit.

Alaska is evidently the new "wild west". Open or concealed carry is fine, but you'll get laughed at in the veggie aisle at the supermarket if your Colt is on your hip!

[HeresyLives]

95. So do I.

Alaska does have that 'frontier' image still I'm afraid.

[northofdenali]

106. The image is so very distorted by Palin

and others like Don Young. The political power is held by Big Oil, no doubt. But they don't and can't rule the minds of most of us.

There is so much SPACE to this state, it is quite unbelievable. We have less than 1 million in population, most centered in the Anchorage area (which I hate because there's too many people) and then you get Interior - here, where I am, which is VERY military/right wing/neocon/idiocy.

We elect a few good men.

Alaska was Democratic until Nixon and the Pipeline. Go figure?

[HeresyLives]

113. Yes, that's true.

You do have good people, but she's the one Alaska is famous for.

Canada is the second largest country in the world, only Russia is bigger, and 90% of Canada is uninhabited...so space we have plenty of. LOL

[proteus_lives]

122. That's one of the things that make your posts amusing.

It's always fun to see a snotty canuck.

:rofl:

It's ok, we love our little brother nation.

Whither you're on the guns forum or shilling for China, it's like a little fella jumping up and down for attention.

[pipoman]

123. Wow

that is why Canada is so much more popular of an immigration destination for the rest of the world than the sorry ol'USA...oh, wait, the second largest country with the most intelligent social/government system in the North American continent has how many immigrants annually? Around 250,000, give or take a few thousand? Now that den of inequity, redneck, republic with that ridiculous 200+ year old constitution which is outdated and no longer applies has how many immigrants annually? Around 1 million? There sure are a lot of dolts around the world who dream of living under the arcane system in the wild west than that paragon of common sense to the north..

[PavePusher]

167. You say "military" like it's something repugnant.

Thanks a lot.

Or not.

[northofdenali]

171. Never.

Until Bush's Iraq, our military (Army and Air Force) were highly repected, community-based members of our town.

Then the gangbanger recruiting started.

Of all the murders, rapes, robberies, assaults, drive-by shootings, etc. in the last 8 years? 75% military. Proven, tried and convicted.

I work on Ft. Wainwright. My guys (most recently back from Iraq) wouldn't harm a fly unless it was Al Qaeda. But the element recruited for Iraq? Hell, sent 'em elsewhere.

[HeresyLives]

117. Yikes...4 am...I'm outta here! Busy day tomorrow!

But it's been fun folks, I enjoyed it. Thank you.

[SteveM]

139. Well, if this is what represents gun-control, 2A defenders have little to fear...

Contradiction, arrogance, no facts, reliance on academic credentialism in the face of sound argument, and rather standard internet popcorn... and from Canada, again.

Even the Bradys can do better.

[rrneck]

152. Hey, she gave the DU hit counter a good healthy spin.

That ought to count for something.

[SteveM]

166. Set a world-record for keyboard dodgeball, I guess. nt

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