" Machinegun shooting in Baltimore injures three "

[Katya Mullethov]

Can Technology Branch(or the press) classify something as a machinegun if nobody could ever get more than a single round out before it jammed ?


http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Machine-Gun+Shooting+at+Baltimore+Hotel+Injures+3&start=130&sa=N


""Guglielmi said Woodland pulled out a Tech-9 semiautomatic machine pistol and fired one shot, striking Johnson in the face. Then two of Johnson's friends took the gun, held Woodland down and severely beat him, police said."""

[davepc]

1. a semi-automatic "machinegun"

[Howzit]

13. "Jumbo Shrimp" NT

[Euromutt]

16. "Reality TV" (n/t)

[Hoopla Phil]

17. military "intelligence"

[JonQ]

2. That's some fine reporting there lou

A semi-automatic machine pistol that fired only one shot.

I'm surprised they didn't add "military style", or "silenced" or "black" to describe it as well.

Maybe it even had a folding stock (heh).

[slackmaster]

3. Did the weapon have that shoulder thing that goes up?

:rofl:

[JuniperLea]

4. Or a thing in the stock which tells time?

[Euromutt]

6. If you mean a barrel shroud, then yes, it does

The TEC-9/DC-9 does have a barrel shroud, which is what Congresswoman McCarthy believed was the "shoulder thing that goes up." The post-ban AB-10 omitted the barrel shroud in order to comply with the AWB (and is therefore not an "assault weapon"), but I wouldn't trust the news media to accurately reflect whether the weapon was a TEC-9, DC-9 or AB-10.

[OttavaKarhu]

8. Shroud? SHROUD!

Won't somebody think of the chillllllllllldrunnnnnnnnnnnnnnn!

A shroud is a thing you put around DEAD PEOPLE!

Proving that guns are bad!

SHROUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!



Well, nobody shat themselves or shrieked like Glenn Beck...so I guess I'll leave now.

:yoiks:

[PavePusher]

7. Naw, but I bet it had heat-seeking incindiary boooooolllits.... n/t

[Euromutt]

5. Ilustrative of the perils of reporting before you have the facts

Unless there were two simultaneous incidents at the same hotel, AP first reported three people were injured in a shooting involving an Uzi SMG (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ihEnuhIlcOyg0QMoahdEVh_ZhewQD9CDP5500), then changed the story to 1 person wounded with a TEC-9 and shooter being beaten up (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ihEnuhIlcOyg0QMoahdEVh_ZhewQD9CE3KG00) without withdrawing the earlier, apparently incorrect, version.

Incidentally, Intratec went out of business in 2001, before the federal AWB expired, so the last TEC-9/DC-9 was produced in 1994, fifteen years ago. The TEC-9/DC-9 was a cheap piece of crap to begin with, and the example Woodland used probably wasn't very well maintained in the 15+ years of its existence.

[rfranklin]

9. Oh my god! Guns were slandered!

This is an outrage!

My Ruger SR-9 is in the bedroom crying its eyes out right now!

[Euromutt]

15. The distinction matters

A TEC-9/DC-9 is not a machinegun; it is a semi-auto-only version of the Interdynamic MP9, a cheap submachine gun that never got past the prototype stage due to lack of interest. To comply with federal law, the TEC-9 was made to be "not readily convertible to fire automatically" by redesigning the MP9's bolt, though it retained a number of the original design's SMG features like the perforated barrel jacket. The TEC-9 really epitomizes the "assault weapon," because while it looks big and scary, it's chambered for the 9mm Parabellum round, which is not especially potent, and because of the cheap construction, it was a jam-o-matic with anything other than FMJ (full metal jacket) rounds (and not too reliable with those either), and not very accurate. In short, it wasn't anywhere near as lethal as it looked, but then, the AWB was all about appearance rather than actual lethality.

Oh yes, and the TEC-9 (like I said) has been out of production for fifteen years, so we don't need any new federal legislation to ban these puppies.

[spin]

10. Some definitions for the firearm knowledge impaired and some advice for newspapers...

Machine pistol

This article is about full auto or burst-capable pistols. For semi-automatic weapons, see semi-automatic pistol.

A machine pistol is a handgun-style, magazine-fed and self-loading firearm, capable of fully automatic or burst fire, and normally chambered for pistol cartridges. The term is a literal translation of Maschinenpistole, the German term for a hand-held automatic weapon. While the dividing line between machine pistols and compact submachine guns is hard to draw, the term "submachine gun" usually refers to larger automatic firearms scaled down from that of a full-sized machine gun, while the term "machine pistol" usually refers to a weapon built up from a semi-automatic pistol design.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine_pistol

Semi-automatic pistol

A semi-automatic pistol is a type of handgun that can be fired in semi-automatic mode, firing one cartridge for each pull of the trigger. This type of firearm uses a single chamber and a single barrel, which remain in a fixed linear orientation relative to each other while being fired and reloaded semi-automatically. Some terms that have been, or still are, used as synonyms for semi-automatic pistol are "automatic pistol", "self-loading pistol", "autopistol", and "autoloader".

A semi-automatic pistol functions by using the energy from the recoil of a single round of ammunition to extract and eject a fired cartridge from the pistol's chamber and load an unfired round from a magazine into the chamber for the next shot. Most types of semi-automatic pistols rely on a removable magazine for supplying new ammunition to reload the chamber to be able to fire the gun again. The removable magazine is typically located inside a hand grip.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-automatic_pistol

Machine Gun

A machine gun is a fully automatic mounted or portable firearm, usually designed to fire rifle bullets in quick succession from an ammunition belt or large-capacity magazine, typically at a rate of several hundred rounds per minute. The first design/invention of the machine gun was by Leonardo Da Vinci, presenting a design of an eight barreled machine gun that was operated manually by a handcrank, and was mounted onto the ground, and barely portable.

In United States law, machine gun is a term of art for any fully-automatic firearm, and also for any component or part that will modify an existing firearm into a fully-automatic firearm.<1>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine_gun

TEC-9

The Intratec TEC-DC9 (also known simply as the TEC-9) is a blowback-operated, semi-automatic firearm, chambered in 9x19mm Parabellum, and classified by the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms as a handgun.

Designed by Intratec, an American offshoot of Interdynamic AB, it is made of inexpensive molded polymers and stamped steel parts. Magazines with 10-, 20-, 32-, 36- and upwards of 50-round capacities are available.

There are three different models, all of which are commonly referred to as the TEC-9, although only one model was actually sold under that name.

The TEC-9 was not accepted by any armed forces leading to its use as a civilian gun.

The TEC-9 and eventually, TEC-DC9 variants were listed by name among the 19 firearms banned by name in the USA by the 1994 Federal Assault Weapons Ban. This ban caused the cessation of their manufacture, and forced Intratec to introduce a newer model called the AB-10. In 2001, Intratec went out of business and the AB-10 model production ceased.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TEC-9

Now I am not a newspaper reporter, nor do I play one on DU.

However, just a couple of minutes of research revealed the above information.

Conclusions can be drawn.

1) The reporter is a total idiot and hopefully receives minimum wages for his efforts.

2) The editors of his publication are incompetent and incapable of the easiest research and fact checking.

Or:

1) The reporters and the editors are well aware of the mistake in terminology and because of a bias against firearms would prefer to use nomenclature that misleads their readers. "The end justifies the means" approach to newspaper reporting.

If the reporter and his editors are indeed aware of their obvious glaring example of incompetence, than they must seriously believe that their readers are fools without the basic intelligence to understand simple issues. In that case, any articles on more important and complicated issues are probably tainted by editorial bias and can't be trusted.

The most important amendment in the Bill of Rights is the first which granted freedom of the press.

* First Amendment – Establishment Clause, Free Exercise Clause; freedom of speech, of the press, Freedom of Religion, and of assembly; right to petition,

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Unfortunately, freedom of the press involves great responsibility. When the press reports lies and misconceptions instead of the truth, they fail the founding fathers.

It is possible to oppose firearms and to argue the anti-gun cause in technically accurate language. To support the anti-gun movement by purposefully deceitful language and terms shows weakness and a lack of confidence in the anti-gun argument.

[safeinOhio]

11. I know about guns, but could use some help on what you

call all that stuff at Victoria's Secret.

[PavePusher]

12. Yeah, there ought to be some regulation or something...

You know, a licence, background checks, manditory training, competency tests, stuff like that. Don't they know it's dangerous to just spray words at random from those fully automatic, high capacity printing presses like that? No one needs those high-speed interwebs things, civilians just can't be trusted with them. It's for the chuuuuuuulriiiiiiiin for cryin' out loud.....

[eqfan592]

14. Lol, you crack me up Pave. :P (nt)

[SteveM]

19. He used a word hose (nt)

[Katya Mullethov]

18. Meanwhile .......in zee ooo ass ass har

Watch 'em jump .

http://rt.com/Top_News/2009-09-02/custom-sniper-rifle-russia.html

[SteveM]

20. And the winner is: AP. Second only to WaPo for anti-gun agitprop (nt)