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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 01:06 PM
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Protest Idea: The next time the RW gathers for ANYTHING near you...
Come armed to protest.

Seriously - these pigs need to know what its like on the other end.

Next time "Dr." James Dobson comes to give a lecture on how to torture the gay out of your kids, protest, and come armed. Do it legally, but do it.

If you have a CCW, carry your card and gun. Remind the news folks that its loaded.

If "President" Bush comes to talk, protest him with the gun.

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ThePantaloon.com Donating Member (278 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 01:11 PM
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1. Isn't that stooping to their level?
I don't know about that. I kind of like the idea of going nude instead to a Teabagger party. Check out the link below for a similar protest. Funny stuff.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 01:14 PM
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3. No, I think its safe to say this would be for protection
We liberals have been getting beat up lately, although you'd never know it watching how "peaceful" the protests are on Fox
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 02:29 PM
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15. It would be worse:
It would be degrading ourselves.
And it would be encouragement to gunnuts everywhere.
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CitizenLeft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 01:14 PM
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2. if it weren't so guaranteed to start a gunfight where people...
...would die, I'd love to see how these cowards would react to a group of Black Panthers coming armed to a tea party. They'd pee their pants... then some moron would open fire. Too bad. It would shut them the hell up.
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CitizenLeft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 01:17 PM
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6. I know you were kidding, but yoikes...
That looks terrible. Worst of all, you just know some innocent bystander would get hit by a stray bullet.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 01:20 PM
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8. I know - and I would hate to see an innocent bystander die
Perhaps that's what makes me better than them

Beck would probably say "to make omelets..."
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 02:00 PM
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12. Judging by some of his/her other comments...
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 02:20 PM
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14. I am not kidding. I am an angry liberal.
I am sick of seeing the stupidest Americans with megaphones trying to bring down one of the smartest Americans

I am sick of seeing them shoot at us, but then being offended if we shoot back

I am sick of them claiming "persecution" when it is them doing the persecution

I am sick of them cramming Fundamentalist Christianity down my throat

I am sick of them thinking that their "White Might" makes right

You may not be sick of that, but I am

And so, when some fool Preacher kills all of his stupid sheep in a suicidal fire, All I can muster is "good riddance"
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Treo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 02:34 PM
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17. Good Gawd you're a hater
do you really believe that ? Go look at your kids then come back and tell us "good riddance" to the 80 some odd kids that died at Waco
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 02:45 PM
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18. Oh I feel bad for them - its too bad their parents hated them so much to put them into that
I blame Koresh and the Parents for that

Not the FBI

The parents signed their kids death warrants by moving them to a compound and letting a guy posing as Jesus rape their daughters.

Remember the rape? The rape of children.

The kids were there by no fault of their own

The parents, good riddance to THEM
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 02:45 PM
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19. "I am sick of seeing them shoot at us, but then being offended if we shoot back"
Who is shooting at you?

I will conceed that a few mental cases have killed some people who provide a legitimate medical service (abortions). I don't think anyone with a has seriously condoned such attacks. I don't believe they have condemned them enough, but that's a subject for a seperate conversation.

This is, however, a rare thing, as tragic and stupid as it may be, and does not seem to me to be grounds for denying the rights of the vast, law-abiding majority, no matter where their politics lay.
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Treo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 01:15 PM
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5. I think you'll find
That gun owners from both ends of the spectrum have more commonalities than differences. The gunnies will say " Nice Glock" the RW grabbers will do just what the LW grabbers do " Ohhhh NOEZ he's got a guuuuuuun !!!!!!!"
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 01:20 PM
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7. I think i's a far better idea to leave your guns at home...
anytime you might be close to an event involving a President, ex-President or a Presidential candidate. Other individuals are different. However, the idea of walking up to a news reporter and waving a concealed weapons permit in his face and saying something like, "I'm licensed and I'm carrying" sounds stupid to me and would only make permit holders look bad.

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Treo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 01:36 PM
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9. Carrying around the President
I actually accidentally did that once. I routinely carried at school and one day they blocked off the parking lots because the Presidential motorcade was driving by after the AFA graduation. So I stood on the side of Fountain Blvd not thirty feet from the POTUS W/ a gun. Of course he was in an armored limousine and i'm sure I could have emptied the mag W/out endangering him but, I did stand 30 feet from the Prez W/ a gun
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Gman2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 01:54 PM
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10. NO, anyone with a gun in public crowd, should besurrounded with angry citizens
Edited on Tue Sep-22-09 01:54 PM by Gman2
practicing their right to free speech. Those with guns on them will be scared shitless. They cant pull them, or they will get shot. They serve no purpose, and create a hazard for anyone carrying. It would take ONE of those incidents, on youtube, and the guns will be gone. And, it will show the utter impotence of the neohicks carrying. It would be a powerful sight.
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Treo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 01:57 PM
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11. So , later today
When I carry at Wal Mart I should be surrounded by a group of angry citizens? WYF are you talking about
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Gman2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 02:19 PM
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13. Is that a public crowd? I think you are nuts for needing protection from Walmart but
if you were packin around the pres. I would accost you.
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Treo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 02:31 PM
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16. See my post number nine NT
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 02:51 PM
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20. Depending on how you did so, and in what jurisdiction,
Edited on Tue Sep-22-09 02:54 PM by PavePusher
...that person might be legally allowed to defend themselves with lethal force.

It is legal to kill someone who is attempting to use force to violate your Civil Rights. That is Federal law.

You would be within your rights to calmly and peacefully reproach them verbally, but "surrounding them" and refusing to let them leave would place you squarely on the wrong side of the law. Illegal detention, threat of harm, probably more depending on the circumstances. It certainly would not put you on the moral high ground.

I don't think you've thought this through very well.
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Gman2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 03:10 PM
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21. Never said anything about threatening them. Just telling them whats what.
And I would suggest all persons avoid Texas at all cost.
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 03:20 PM
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22. You can't open carry a handgun in public in Texas.
But don't let ignorance or stereotypes stop a good handwringing session.
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Treo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 03:33 PM
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23. Are you really that stupid?
You believe tha anyone who would carry a gun at such an event is unhinged. Yet, you'd approach said armed wing nut and get in their face? Who was the instigator again?
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Gman2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 04:28 PM
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26. Just why does a dumbass have to carry a weapon in a crowd?
What dumbasses.
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Gman2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 04:30 PM
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28. Oh, that's right. Cuz they can..
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 04:46 PM
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30. Dude/tte, seriously?
Debating with yourself?

What do you do when you lose?

:crazy:
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Gman2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 04:54 PM
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32. What are you so fearful of? and I am not anti-gun, even have one.
Know how to shoot from the hip well. Quick draw. Needed to carry it when a special ops demolitions expert threatened me when I had to fire him. But ANYONE that carrys, especially open, in a crowd should be prosecuted for stupidity.
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Treo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 05:13 PM
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35. Gecko , Buddy where you been? It's me Specops Don't you remember? NT
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phasma ex machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 12:28 AM
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104. Mass debating in public, so to speak, in view of all the DUers. nt
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 07:31 PM
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57. Moronic Stereotype..
.. Texas doesn't have Open Carry, and Texas was late to the table for concealed carry. See, if Richards hadn't vetoed concealed carry, Shrub wouldn't have had a leg to stand on for the governor's race, and gee, we wouldn't have had 8 years of more moron-i-tude. Thanks anti-RKBA activists!

:sarcasm:
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 08:41 PM
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75. Used to smoke dope with Ann. She should have quit it...
She did 2 things which sunk her: (1) opposition to concealed carry, (2) removing Barton Creek (in Austin) from proposed federal protection after the GOPers cock-strutted that she was giving in to federal authority. To do that in a city with a progressive and activist base was akin to farting in a crowded VW, then shutting the door on your friends. She went down quickly after that.
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Hangingon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 02:43 PM
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70. I live in Texas and that is absolute BULLSHIT!
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 08:35 PM
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74. Open carry is not legal in Texas (nt)
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 01:11 PM
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78. Ha! Good advice.
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 05:40 PM
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41. I have a concealed carry permit, say I drive to Walmart...
and park in their parking lot.

Should I take my firearm out of my pocket or my holster and leave it in the car where it might get stolen?
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gorfle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 03:44 PM
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24. I would, but I'm too afraid.
First of all, I'm not a big fan of open carry, as I've said here many times before. It causes a lot more problems than it solves.

I think carrying a firearm during a political demonstration is a fantastic idea, and shows the ultimate resolve in expressing those views.

I think I'm too afraid to do it myself, though.

I've never publicly demonstrated against anything. I can't imagine doing it with a gun.
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Treo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 04:02 PM
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25. You should contact your local OC advocacy group
and go to a couple of their OC events to get your feet wet then try it on your own.

I OC occasionally most people don't even notice
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gorfle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 04:30 PM
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27. No thanks.
We discussed carrying firearms quite a bit when I took martial arts in college. The general opinion was that you never pull a weapon (any weapon) until you actually intend to use it. You do not pull a weapon to send a message, or "as a warning", or in bravado, or any other reason except to actually use it. The primary reasons are numerous. First of all, brandishing a weapon is illegal. (This is not to say that simply open carrying a firearm is brandishing, it is not). But pulling (or openly displaying) a firearm instantly shows your cards. Potential bad guys now know that you are armed, and can alter their plans of attack accordingly. There is also the potential for idiots to play "tough guy" and do and/or say things to escalate the situation just to see if you are serious. They may escalate the situation by saying things like, "I ain't afraid of no gun!" or "You ain't gonna shoot me!" while assuming a more aggressive stance.

There is also, of course, the possibility that potential bad guys will see that you are armed and give up their plans to assault you out of fear. This is the only up-side to open carry. Personally I do not think that sole up-side is worth the down-sides of showing your cards as I outlined above.

Ultimately, open carry draws attention. If I carried, I'd rather go with anonymity and surprise.
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 04:44 PM
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29. Respectfully, this argument gets used a lot,
but there does not seem to be any statistics that show O.C. to be any more or less effective/risky than C.C.

Personally, I don't care how you do it, just please don't restrict or denigrate how I do it.

Thanks for the reasoned dialog by the way! Have a safe day!

:toast:
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gorfle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 05:37 PM
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39. I have no intention to do so.
but there does not seem to be any statistics that show O.C. to be any more or less effective/risky than C.C.

True. Like I said, this was a discussion in a martial arts class that was a serious study of self-defense. I got to within 2 belts of black before I failed out of college. Make no mistake, the training was constantly about winning real fights in the real world, not the "religion" of hand-to-hand combat as some martial-arts training is. Hapkido is, by nature, a "bastard" martial art in any case, with most of the maneuvers being joint-destroying in nature. It is not, and the class was not, a "tournament" style of training, and in fact most of the techniques of Hapkido do not lend themselves to tournament use for if they were actually followed through they would permanently disable the person you used them on. Thus the training was very much in a "street fighting" vein, and our instructor was a tremendous realist and proponent of this way of training. One of his tenets was that 90% of fights end up on the ground - consequently much of our fighting was on the ground. I believe the training with regards to carrying weapons was spot-on. You do not advertise an offensive or defensive advantages to prospective enemies. Hell, we were trained to even adopt "casual" fighting stances for use in such situations. You don't want to bow up like The Karate Kid when preparing to enter a fight - this just puts your opponent on guard! Much better to casually slide one foot back slightly behind the other in preparation for a fight-stopping kick.

Like I said, advertising your offensive/defensive capabilities has only one positive advantage: It might scare off a would-be attacker into looking for an easier mark. The most serious downside is that the determined attacker now knows your defenses and can plan accordingly when they carry out their attack. In the face of a determined attacker, open carry simply paints you as the target to deal with first.

Personally, I don't care how you do it, just please don't restrict or denigrate how I do it.

I have no intent to restrict firearms in any way and I fully support open and concealed carry and feel it should be legal nation-wide.

Nor is it my intent to denigrate open carry. I simply do not believe it is ever wise to advertise your offensive or defensive capabilities to would-be attackers.


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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:14 PM
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51. Thank you for your words and your time, sir.
I think we are mostly on the same side here, differing mostly in tactics. I think the alleged risks of O.C. are outweighed by the socio-political benefits, but I do understand your position as well. I did not intend to imply that you would try to restrict my rights, and I apologize if I did so.

I've got to go do some real life for a while, carry safe.
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Treo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 04:48 PM
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31. Thus speaks the man w/ out experience
I OC occasionally (as stated previously) and none of the thing you mentioned happened to me. Do they happen? VERY rarely. As I stated earlier most people don't even notice when I OC.

You can find several good threads regarding this topic ( W/ actually OC'rs participating) at thehighroad.us. Or, you can stay in your bubble of inexperience and continue to postulate on what happens when someone OCs
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Gman2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 04:57 PM
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33. By the way, your open carry would not scare me in the slightest from doing what I would otherwise.
If you were threatening me in any way, I would take you down, gun and all.
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Treo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 05:10 PM
Response to Reply #33
34. So, you're an Internet badass
got it
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Gman2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 05:32 PM
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38. If you do not carry to change anyones mind, then why?
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Treo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 05:39 PM
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40. Because sometimes it's hot and I don't want to were a jacket or a second shirt NT
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gorfle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 05:42 PM
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42. To be able to react.
If you do not carry to change anyones mind, then why?

For one, you can't be certain how you will change their mind. Their change of mind may simply be to shoot you first.

Secondly, I am not out to move through the world as a living deterrent to would-be criminals.

I would never produce a weapon with the intent of "changing someone's mind". If I produce a weapon, it is because all party's minds are already made up. The criminal has already made up his mind to assault me or my loved ones, and I have already made up my mind to shoot them.

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Treo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 05:50 PM
Response to Reply #42
45. And yet
When weapons are produced the BG frequently doeschange his mind and seek easier prey
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Gman2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 05:56 PM
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46. answer me this. You live in area where guys fight to the death?
I know there are some areas that this is so. I have a friend that fought constantly in Ohio. Cuz, where I live, only a gangbanger would shoot you for sport.
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Treo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:13 PM
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50. WTF are you talking about
I don't carry a gun in case I "get in a fight" I carry a gun for self defense against criminal predators.

I also carry a gun because I live in colorado and occasionally find bear poop in my front yard.

Ditto rabid raccoons, skunks and coyotes.

I also carry a gun because I'm gettin kinda old to fight off a mugger W my bare hands.

I also carry a gun because about half of my ex in-laws are gang bangers one of whom is in jail partially because of my wife's testimony ( revenge is a bitch) they have also threatened to kill my daughter to get the SIL's kids (kids that are frequently at my home) back and they mean that shit

I carry a gun because theres been about 7 home invasions 2 or three drive bys and one really good murder in my neighborhood this year.

Any further questions?
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Gman2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:22 PM
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54. I carried for similar reason. I would never be gung ho about guns though.
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Treo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:24 PM
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56. I know Gecko I know NT
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gorfle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 11:32 PM
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63. Very true.
And yet When weapons are produced the BG frequently doeschange his mind and seek easier prey

Very true. But at that point, since you have deployed the weapon, you are prepared for any direction the confrontation might go on your attacker's part - retreat or advance.

When you open carry, you give up that control. Your attacker might change his mind and decide to leave, but then he might change his mind and decide to ambush you first, and you may not be prepared or even notice.

In any case, as I said, I'm all for open and concealed carry, and firearm ownership in general.
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GreenStormCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 09:30 PM
Response to Reply #38
58. I carry because I may have to actually shoot someone. N/T
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gorfle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 05:23 PM
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37. I never claimed it would.
By the way, your open carry would not scare me in the slightest from doing what I would otherwise.

I never claimed it would.

If you were threatening me in any way, I would take you down, gun and all.

But my advertising that I'm armed certainly gives you an edge in determining if I'm a threat or not, eh?

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GreenStormCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 09:41 PM
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59. But we pro-armed self defense folks would not threaten you.
We only produce our guns and shoot when we are seriously threatened by someone else. So if you don't threaten us and we don't threaten you, everything stays peaceful.
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gorfle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 05:21 PM
Response to Reply #31
36. Please enlighten me.
Please enlighten me. Since you agree that negative consequences to open carry do actually happen, in what way am I incorrect?

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Treo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 05:43 PM
Response to Reply #36
44. The instances are so rare
As to be negligible. My issue was w/ you who has never OC'd telling me, who has on several occasions, how it's done
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gorfle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 11:14 PM
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60. I have extensive training.
Edited on Tue Sep-22-09 11:22 PM by gorfle
The instances are so rare As to be negligible

But you are not refuting that I am correct in my assessment of the risks and benefits, I see.

Yes, the odds of the risks are low. But then, so are the benefits. In fact, the instances in which you would actually use your carried weapon are also very rare.

My issue was w/ you who has never OC'd telling me, who has on several occasions, how it's done

I may not carry a weapon, but I have had extensive weapons and combat training in the past. I believe I am qualified to have an opinion on the matter.

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Treo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 11:44 PM
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64. Sorry dude, I was out of line and I apologize
Just so we're clear the "internet badass" post was not directed at you.
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:09 PM
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48. Treo, no disrespect intended...
but let's not slam people who don't want to O.C. I think Gorfle has respectfully indicated that while he doesn't wish to O.C. himself, he doesn't want to keep others from doing it. Casting even mild aspersions will not help to convince him to support our side on this. I know the debate gets pretty strenuous in here, lets try not to alienate our our potential allies, or even the "enemies of our enemies".

Everyone stay safe out there, I've gotta get back to real life for a bit.
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Treo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:14 PM
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52. You are correct Gorfle my sincere apologies NT
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gorfle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 11:20 PM
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61. No prob. NT
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rd_kent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 05:42 PM
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43. I will be armed when Glenn Beck gets the key to my city
this week. Look for me on TV!
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 11:51 PM
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65. And what would that accomplish? ...
You would probably look like that fool in the OP.

Now if you are anti-gun and want to make gun owners look like idiots, I might see your point. You might also consider doing something more productive like throwing tomatoes at him.

The mayor of tinfoil-hat icon Glenn Beck's home town says he wants to give the Fox News carnival attraction the key to the city.

A number of anti-Beck protestors outside city hall in Mount Vernon, Wash., this week have been carrying signs reading "Change the Locks!"

In what may be one of the most politically tone-deaf moves this year, Bud Norris, mayor of the small farming community just north of Seattle, says he'll hand over the hardware to Beck on Sept. 26. Members of the local Young Democrats will be there to protest and welcome the Beckster back to Earth from Planet Fox News.

***snip***

It wouldn't be a total surprise if more than a few people locally and from Seattle showed up to give Beck a warm, town hall-type "greeting" by "presenting" him with their own remembrances -- locally grown, overripe tomatoes.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-mann/glenn-beck-to-g...









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GreenStormCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:02 PM
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47. Concealed means CONCEALED, damnit!
If you have a CCW, carry your card and gun.
Assuming that an event that I wish to attend is at a place where CC is legal, I do that anyway. Nothing new there. However, since I am carrying concealed, I do tend to avoid places where conflict may be likely. If you are really going to carry, concealed or open, conflict avoidance has to become a way of life.

Remind the news folks that its loaded.
Bullshit. Stupidity on parade. Concealed means that NOBODY gets to know I have it on me, unless I have to shoot someone. In many states, advertizing that you have a concealed firearm is a violation of the law.
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GreenStormCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:10 PM
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49. Do not even hint at threatening any President, past or present or future.
It is well known on internet forums that DU has been visited by the Secret Service over what some idiots posted. As a result of that, many forums have adopted rules about that kind of stuidity.

You said: If "President" Bush comes to talk, protest him with the gun.
Consider the implications of what you have just said.
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Treo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:23 PM
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55. War Story
When I was in the Army a young soldier commented that Clinton should be shot. She said it in jest ( I guess)but was told that such comments were not appropriate. She repeated her comments and someone who didn't like her filed a complaint the NEXT morning she was arrested by the SS right out of formation. Her husband a 2nd LT in an MI unit had his TSCI pulled and was transfered to an ordnance battalion that day. According to her he was told that he'd never be considered for promotion no matter how long he stayed in the Army. She went to the Bottom of the OOM list for PLDC and stayed there until she PCS'd. Obviously, she was also passed over for promtion and any favorable action.
They take threats against POTUS very seriously
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 11:26 PM
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62. They should take threats against the President seriously...
as well as ex-presidents.

The Secret Service has an extremely difficult job. The deserve a lot of credit.

Obama makes a lot of appearances which makes their job even more challenging.
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era veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 10:47 AM
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66. Nixon POS POTUS
In the Army in early 70's, if you had said that about Nixon nobody would have looked up, though you may have gotten a "right on, fuc'n pig" or a similar thought. This went up the chain of command pretty much up to field grade officers.We took the day off went to the Rod and Gun Club and got drunk when he Palined the presidency. In the 60's, my father knew two men who called the White House, drunk, with threats against JFK the S.S. was there the next day. I would never go armed to a political event. We have had one too many un Civil War already.
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Tim01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:19 PM
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53. I'll bet you scream at your TV. nt
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jeepnstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 01:33 PM
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67. The biggest problem..
that I can see with that is you'll confuse the devil out of them. This is especially true if you have an AR15 slung on your back. The conversation will turn to guns in general and before you know it you'll figure out both sides are made up of people. After a few minutes of swapping lies and such it's hard to demonize the other guy. That's bad for morale among True Believers.
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Treo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 02:19 PM
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68. I've said that a couple of times
When it comes to guns, it really isn't L v.R it's Owner v. Grabber. The owners in the crowd will be asking how that tupperware shoots and making plans for a range day and the grabbers will be having a meltdown. The next day rachel Mad Cow will be bitching about it on you tube and some grabber will be posting it as an excuse to ban all fire arms here on DU.

Want to bet on it?
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jeepnstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 04:31 PM
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72. "Rachel Mad Cow"?
Come on, Brother, lets not start tossing name bombs. I think she's funnier than Beck.

I prefer my "journalists" to be a bit more objective.
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Treo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 05:03 PM
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73. I bear her no ill will I just find the name hilarious
Edited on Wed Sep-23-09 05:04 PM by Treo
I actually take that back, to the extent that she would deprive me of my RKBA I have no use for her. Beyond that shes just another MSM hack no different than Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity or Combes

Spell Check
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Euromutt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 03:58 PM
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85. I'm not wild about her either
I don't watch broadcast television much, but I caught some of Maddow's coverage of the teabaggers in July, and I just felt like she was trying to be Jon Stewart. Thanks, but if I want to watch the Daily Show, I'll just watch that.
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Hangingon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 02:36 PM
Original message
Delete duplicate
Edited on Wed Sep-23-09 02:38 PM by Hangingon
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Hangingon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 02:36 PM
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69. So how should I do this?
"If you have a CCW, carry your card and gun. Remind the news folks that its loaded."

I have a Concealed Handgun License. When I carry it to a protest, it has to be concealed - that means hidden from view. Do I carry a sign that says, "I am carring a concealed handgun and it is loaded"? I'll check but I don't think that is legal here.
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 03:32 PM
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71. At least you aren't protraying yourself as someone who once supported the RKBA anymore.
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 08:45 PM
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76. Can't go along with you on this...
I believe that those folks toting guns near town meetings are baiting a confrontation; don't take it.

These reactionary actions are deserving of some creative guerrilla theater designed to embarrass the bastards -- and get media attention. I'm open to suggestions.
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Francis Marion Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 12:01 AM
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77. This will not bother "them" at all.
Edited on Thu Sep-24-09 12:11 AM by Francis Marion
But it will really surprise them to learn that many Democrats affirm the RKBA.
I think it's a great idea, and an enlightening one. No party owns the second amendment, right? We own it, we the People.

The public exercise of rights is Liberty's touchstone, by which we learn whether or not such rights, if exerciseable, are also meaningful. The People don't have a right unless they can exercise it in public.

The tenor of the debate, and the seeming stridence of people walking around with guns, is a product of legislative history. If guns weren't banned and 'controlled' by legislatures, then citizens would not go out of their way to remind politicians of the RKBA through such public example. Gun carrying is not an act of hostility, it is a form of political speech which, like flag burning, some find objectionable. But neither the second amendment, nor any other personal right to speak, assemble, keep quiet, be secure in your effects is granted by the nature of its display to an observer. The fact that somebody doesn't 'like' how you speak, assemble, etc. has no bearing upon your right to do those things.

Also the tenor of the debate suffers by degrading ideological competitors as pigs. Poor rhetoric harms its own side.


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Euromutt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 07:56 AM
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88. Do you have to be so reasonable?
You're dragging up the whole level of the conversation here, spoilsport.
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OneTenthofOnePercent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 03:29 PM
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79. I'm pretty sure everyone armed would begin jolly conversations about guns.
Guns are the one thing that can unite pro gunners despite political affiliation.
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Treo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 03:39 PM
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80. Clearly, you've never seen a GLOCK V. 1911 debate NT
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 04:41 PM
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81. Or AR vs AK :) n/t
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Treo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 04:45 PM
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82. 9MM V/ .45ACP : D NT
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 03:12 PM
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83. Revolver vs semi-auto (n/t)
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jeepnstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 03:25 PM
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84. Beans or no beans...
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Treo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 04:23 PM
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86. Cond 1 V. Cond 3 carry NT
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Euromutt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 07:54 AM
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87. In case of home invasion, racking the slide vs. staying quiet
Break-Free vs. Hoppe's, Jif vs. Smucker's, less filling vs. tastes great, etc.
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Treo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 09:14 AM
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89. OC v. CC NT
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Xela Donating Member (787 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 04:08 PM
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92. Point Shooting/Instinctive Shooting vs. Aimed Fire
I like this thread...

Xela
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Treo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 04:35 PM
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93. Handgun V. Long gun for HD NT
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tortoise1956 Donating Member (403 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 09:43 PM
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97. XD Uber Alles!
Only a TRUE gun obsessive will understand that...
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 09:52 PM
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98. I suggest professional therapy...
100 rounds each through any handgun you can rent, beg or borrow.

:evilgrin:
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tortoise1956 Donating Member (403 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 10:03 PM
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100. Don't rub it in...
I spent a buttload of money on a reloading press with all the bells and whistles - so what happens? My stepson gets in a bind, moves in with the granddaughter. In the past two months I have been able to load exactly 10 rounds. There obviously is no justice...
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east texas lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 10:36 AM
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90. That's an excellent way to experience a very short, very exciting life if events get out of hand.
;)
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Paladin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 02:50 PM
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91. Much Safer Just To Hang Around DU, Griping About Democrats. Right?

With occasional breaks to praise those openly-armed fascist droolers, turning up in Obama's vicinity to intimidate as many people as possible---just like our Founding Fathers intended.....

(Sarcasm alert, for those perpetually in need of one....)
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Tejas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 06:04 AM
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94. Eletists such as Schumer & Feinstein ask for it, so yes.
It's the clueless such as McCarthy that....oh, never mind, self-explanatory.

:rofl:
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Paladin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 08:57 PM
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95. Always So Nice To See One Of Our Resident Gun Obsessives....
....heaping scorn on "elitist" Democratic office holders whose lives have been scarred by gun violence. Really a class act, there; thanks for doing my side of the argument so much good......
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Treo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 09:37 PM
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96. My life has been "scarred by gun violence"
I'm not trying to take your gun away
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 09:54 PM
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99. Sorry, but when you want to ban "shoulder things that go up"...
Edited on Wed Sep-30-09 10:00 PM by PavePusher
and "heat seeking bullets", your credibility pretty much hits a hard bottom, no matter what life tragedies you've endured.

I sympathize with her feelings, I can even emphathize with her goals, though I don't agree with them. But when you invest that much ignorance into something you are so passionate about, well, the fail is mind-boggling.
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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 05:21 AM
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101. Ted Kennedy, Jr.'s life has been scarred by cancer, as has my father's
Edited on Thu Oct-01-09 05:23 AM by friendly_iconoclast
As in: Both have had cancer AND lost their fathers to it. Yet Ted Jr. does not hold himself out as an expert on oncology. Neither does my dad.

I am overweight, yet I am not an expert on bariatrics. If I would purport to be one in public, I would rightfully be
ridiculed.

See how this works?

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Tejas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 06:07 AM
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103. a relative dies by handgun so let's ban bayonet lugs on rifles nationwide.
Um, yeah Paladin, enjoyed your momentary flash of critical thinking, got it, thanks.
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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 05:28 AM
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102. "Praise" of "those openly-armed fascist droolers". Please point some out
Of course, since one poster stated that one might engage in civil discourse with the teabaggers, that
equals 'praise'.

But you didn't object to that post, did you?
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