So THAT's where Mexico is getting its guns.

[Jackson1999]

Agent Arrested in Gun Case

An F.B.I. agent in El Paso has been arrested and charged with dealing guns, some of which ended up being used in gunfights between the authorities and drug dealers in Mexico, law enforcement officials said.

...

Mr. Shipley sold more than 50 weapons, the indictment said. Some were recovered after shootouts between the Mexican Army and drug dealers in Chihuahua on March 8 last year that left seven dead, officials said. Mr. Shipley, who was released on bond this week, has been suspended without pay since March 2009, the Federal Bureau of Investigation said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/10/us/10brfs-AGENTARRESTE_BRF.html

[glowing]

1. Duh. I would have thought it said CIA. Maybe Shipley went rogue off of the normal

shipments.. or they needed a fall guy because someone put 2 and 2 together.

[baldguy]

2. Que the reality-denying RW 2nd Amendment fundamentalists from the NRA/GOP in 3, 2, 1...

[eqfan592]

3. Yep, pro 2a folks deny reality...

...even though we have the statistical evidence, historical evidence, SCOTUS rulings, constitutional scholars, etc, etc, on our side.

And talk about denying reality. You quote Gandhi in many posts where you denounce private gun ownership, yet Gandhi denounced such bans in India when they were implemented by the British.

You're no better than people who use cherry picked data and emotionally charged arguments to denounce a woman’s right to choose or gay rights. These are all civil liberties issues.

[Xicano]

14. good catch

"And talk about denying reality. You quote Gandhi in many posts where you denounce private gun ownership, yet Gandhi denounced such bans in India when they were implemented by the British."


Here's the quote: "Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest." -- Gandhi

[Katya Mullethov]

5. Present !

Just practicing for my carreer in politics .



In a perfect world , only the police and military would be allowed to traffic in guns and drugs . But we dont live in a perfect world do we ? At least not YET !

[jody]

16. LOL and misleading, "In a perfect world" no one would need police because crime would not exist. n/t

[Katya Mullethov]

19. Present !!

I wish you coulda heard the inflection on that one .

[Tim01]

6. You are the reality impaired.

Are you going to move to Chicago where you will be safe?

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

8. Was this FBI agent operating from a gun show?

[SteveM]

10. Looks like you beat us to it...

You will probably continue the hateful little dialog which few (even pro gun-control folks) believe, because you get off to it. On the other hand, you might wish to recognize this reality: the movement to protect and strengthen the Second Amendment is merely an extension of the Civil Rights Movement which saw the last vestiges of Jim Crow law eradicated -- except for those laws designed to keep guns out of the hands of "Negroes" (see: Chicago, San Francisco, D.C., et al).

That's hard reality. Will you face up to it?

[benEzra]

11. Uh-huh. Tell me, do you honestly think these U.S.-made guns came from the U.S. civilian market?

Here's a photo of some U.S.-made weapons seized from Mexican drug cartels:



I see a whole bunch of M203 grenade launchers and M203 rounds; M4's with military/police restricted uppers (Title 1 civilian barrels must be 16" minimum, those are probably 10.5"); and grenades. Those are NOT U.S.-available civilian guns. Most of the stuff in that photo is police/military restricted hardware, U.S. made but NOT available on the U.S. civilian market because it is subject to Title 2 of the National Firearms Act. That stuff IS available to the Mexican military, and guess where most of the Zetas come from.

More police/military restricted weapons, U.S. made but NOT available to U.S. civilians:



Likewise, the RPG's the drug cartels have been using are NOT available on the U.S. civilian market and never have been. They *are* widely available in Central America, thanks to decades of Cold War superpower proxy skirmishes, as are actual military AK-47's and RPK's that are tightly controlled in the USA.

The Zetas have access to the Mexican military supply chain, and to the huge arms caches in Central America created by decades of Cold War proxy wars. Certainly there are some non-automatic civilian guns flowing south from the USA (mostly handguns), but the serious military hardware is not coming from U.S. gun stores.

"Reality denying", indeed...

[Chota]

15. Please note

that all those men in handcuffs were Mexican military working for the drug lords. Yes, most if not all of the arms were made here but they was sold to the Mexican military.

[benEzra]

17. Exactly.

"U.S. made weapons" is not synonymous with "U.S. civilian market weapons", though the MSM often conflates the two.

[zbdent]

4. Ohio gun shows?

[slackmaster]

7. This happened on our watch

:argh:

[spin]

9. K&R (n/t)

[TWiley]

12. I thought the guns were supposed to make Mexico Safer

[derby378]

13. I thought FBI agents were supposed to make AMERICA safer

This corruption doesn't help America one bit, let alone Mexico.

[Katya Mullethov]

18. Ther agenda says otherwise

Not that their agenda is to actually be smuggling the guns that Americans wont smuggle . That was just an extension of the arrogance that comes with being just a little bit better than the people YOU WORK FOR .

The guys at Cavalry arms ,Akins , or Harry Lamplugh and the like probably see it my way . They have been hella fucked over by an agency out of control .