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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-16-09 05:32 PM
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Ruger's introducing an AR-15
The SR-556



http://www.ruger.com/SR556 /



So is this great timing or shitty timing?
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Tim01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-16-09 05:34 PM
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1. I'll bet it'll look great and have the wost trigger in the industry.
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ManiacJoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-16-09 07:36 PM
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11. Gotta disagree on the "look great" part.
Damn that is ugly....
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-16-09 07:55 PM
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16. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder...
but I have to agree with you.

Now this is a good looking rifle.


Winchester Model 70 Sporter

Different strokes for different folks. (Note: I have nothing against evil looking semi-auto "assault weapons".)


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ManiacJoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-16-09 08:07 PM
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17. Now that is a good looking rifle.
My M1A is pretty. My Bushmaster AR-15 is rather plain looking. But that Ruger....
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 11:10 AM
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30. Well if you like bolt actions with classic wood stocks...
...I'll trade you my .308 Enfield for your M1A.

Hey, you can't blame a man for trying. :D
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Pullo Donating Member (367 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 10:10 AM
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43. AR's, now with pretty wood stocks
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-16-09 07:42 PM
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13. It will also be built like a brick shit house...
like most Rugers.

While Ruger has always had a rep for a poor trigger pull, they also have been known for producing the strongest firearms.

For example, my old Speer reloading manual has a listing for some hot rounds for the 45 Colt which are to be used ONLY in Ruger Blackhawk and Vaquero revolvers.


Ruger Blackhawk 45 Long Colt


Ruger Vaquero 45 Long Colt

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Tim01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 10:24 AM
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26. Very true,
You could probably hammer nails with them and they would still function fine. I had a friend who went to rugers armorer school. The gun he got when he was at school he would take and throw down to the other end of the warehouse with the concrete floor.Still works just fine.
I've heard they autos will feed anything except barbed wire. And sometimes they might even feed the barbed wire.
Very solid guns.
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 02:31 PM
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36. I sold a Ruger .44 mag Super Blackhawk to my ...
supervisor at work. We both reloaded so I asked him what loads he had developed for the gun.

His loads were ten to twenty percent higher then the max loads recommended by the Speer manual I used. The Ruger functioned perfectly with no problems extracting cases. Such loads might not have blown up the S&W .44 mag that I had bought, but they would have worn the weapon out quickly.

Very, very sturdy firearms.
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east texas lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-16-09 05:40 PM
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2. When they produce one in 7.62 NATO, I'll investigate...
5.56, not so much.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-16-09 05:43 PM
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3. you could shoot a hell of lota deer in 5 seconds with that baby..
:wow: :fistbump: :fistbump: :woohoo:
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-16-09 05:52 PM
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5. Most states limit magazine size to 5 rounds when hunting
So it'll fire five rounds as fast as you can pull the trigger five times, just like this one-

http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/centerfire_r...

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Tim01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-16-09 06:54 PM
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7. You've never hunted have you? Uneducated about this subject?
That is the typical kind of thing I hear from city dwellers who have no idea what they are talking about.

Deer are so fast they can jump out of the way of an arrow at the sound of the string. No joke.

Can you guess what they do at the sound of the first gun shot?

I bet you are also highly uneducated AND inexperienced in shooting a gun.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-16-09 07:45 PM
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15. someone shot your sense of humor dead... it probably didn't take all 5 rounds. i taught NRA gun
safety classes,

"assault" rifle.. deer... funny :rofl: :shrug: poor excuse

I'm getting one so when the end times come i can protect Jesus from the junkies down the street
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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 06:16 PM
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48. Apologies. It was probably misinterpreted because
Edited on Mon May-18-09 06:17 PM by benEzra
it has been said 1,378 times in this forum, in complete seriousness (and usually heatedly), by people who do think "assault weapons" are more powerful than "regular" guns, fire more rapidly, and would blow a deer to smithereens.

FWIW, if I ever take up deer hunting, it will most likely be with this little carbine:

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ManiacJoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-16-09 07:42 PM
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12. If you want to educate yourself,
you just need to ask questions. The regulars in this forum would be happy to help you.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 05:16 AM
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40. see #15.. learn to laugh
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 11:04 AM
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28. 5.56mm is not a deer cartridge.
And anyway, it's not a machine gun. And after the first shot, any other deer around would run.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 05:15 AM
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39. i'm really disappointed .... with the lack of humor here
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 08:37 AM
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42. Well, shhoting enthusiasts here know we are the red-headed step-children of DU.
So it is hard not to be a little defensive.
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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 01:53 PM
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34. Ummm, no. It fires at exactly the same rate as a Remington 7400
but is less than half as powerful. The SR-556 is a centerfire .22, generally considered underpowered for deer hunting. The AR-15 platform is far more commonly used as a target rifle, and happens to be the most popular centerfire target rifle in America, in addition to its role as a popular defensive carbine.

If you want to hunt deer with an AR-15 type rifle, you probably need to step up to a 6.8mm Remington or .30 RAR, or else move up to an AR-10 style rifle in .243, 7mm-08, or .308 Winchester.



That's a Remington R-25 in .308, FWIW, which is an AR-10 derivative.
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Euromutt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 06:26 AM
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50. "AR-10 derivative"?
It strikes me that what are referred as "AR-10"s these days really aren't, in that they're not directly descended from the original AR-10, but rather, are the AR-15 design (which was an AR-10 scaled down to .223 Rem) with all the modifications of the past 40+ years, and then scaled back up to 7.62x51mm NATO. I can see that R-25 has a forward bolt assist; that was not a feature on the AR-10, but it's been standard on the AR-15/M16 series since the M16A1.
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-16-09 05:45 PM
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4. Piston systems do seem to be hot right now
I wonder if they've worked out the bugs with the carrier tilt problems of early piston conversions.

As long as they're sticking with the ar platform specs and don't go off the reservation, I think it's probably a good thing.

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geckosfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-16-09 06:27 PM
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6. Are you kidiing? Business is booming. People are so freaked that Obama
is going to take away their guns and ammo they are buying and stockpiling everything sight. The NRA an every gun and ammo manufacturer in the country are milking this for all it's worth.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-16-09 06:59 PM
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8. Obama can say "I will veto any bill that renews AWB" and the problem goes away. n/t
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-16-09 07:05 PM
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9. Well, here's the rub
Ruger has doubtless spent a lot of time and money gearing up for production of this rifle. Tooling isn't cheap, yanno.

Now if Congress is dumb enough to actually pass a new AWB or, worse, a ban on all semi-automatics, and if Obama is stupid enough to sign it, all that hard work goes down the drain!




Also, Ruger makes "tactical" versions of it's popular Mini-14 rifle in the same caliber as this new one.



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geckosfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-16-09 07:26 PM
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10. Yeah. Congress might outlaw chocolate milkshakes too.
Edited on Sat May-16-09 07:26 PM by geckosfeet
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-16-09 07:44 PM
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14. Nah, they'll just tax them. (n/t)
Edited on Sat May-16-09 07:57 PM by spin
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one-eyed fat man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 07:34 AM
Response to Reply #9
41. Mini-14 only exists
so that an AK has a even chance of beating something at benchrest.
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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 06:07 PM
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47. LOL, but a bit close to the truth.
I used to own a 188-series mini-14 Ranch Rifle, stainless. Nice looking gun, but the best group it ever shot was 5.5" at 100 yards, from a rest and rear bag. I tried quality ammunition from 40 to 69 grains (even Winchester Premium Match), and a variety of sighting systems (3-9x scope, 2.5x shotgun scope, and the factory irons). No better.

My Romanian AK shoots better than that, even with cheap Wolf ammo, and it's 7.62x39mm to boot. So I finally sold the mini and kept the AK.

Having said that, the new (580 series and up) mini-14's are reportedly more accurate than the older models.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-16-09 08:51 PM
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18. A little pricey and not available in California
Without a few modifications.
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Israfel4 Donating Member (86 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-16-09 09:10 PM
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19. $2000!!!!! Are they NUTS!!!!
I can get an MSAR or XCR(that uses a gas piston) for $1500.
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Euromutt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 06:37 AM
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51. It's the incorporated features
The thing comes with various Troy Industries accessories, including the quad-rail fore-end (incl. covers) and flip-up front and rear iron sights, which would honestly raise the price of any other decent rifle that didn't already have them to comparable levels. Now, if you don't want those features, yes, you'd be an idiot to pay for them, but that doesn't mean it's overpriced for someone who does want that package.
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-16-09 09:29 PM
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20. Suprised it accepts hi-cap magazines.
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ManiacJoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-16-09 09:34 PM
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21. Rifle mags do not come in hi, standard, and low capacities.
The only reason pistol mags do come in those terms is that "standard" can be defined as "max capacity that still fits flush inside the grip".
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Euromutt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 06:43 AM
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52. With an AR, there's no choice
Ruger (when old Bill was alive) could limit the magazine capacity on the Mini-14 because it used a proprietary magazine. But the 30-round AR magazine is so widespread it's NATO standard (in that if you're designing a 5.56mm rifle for a NATO army, it had better accept that magazine, unless you're H&K, in which case the German government will buy your product anyway), and if you want to break into the AR market, you really can't afford to not have your gun accept standard mags.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 09:34 AM
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56. Magazines that hold over 10 rounds are available for the Mini-14 as well
Ruger makes them for law enforcement use, and there are after-market ones which mostly suck.
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Retired AF Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 06:32 AM
Response to Reply #56
58. Hey Slack
You havent been to the Ruger page in a while, they are now selling 20 and 30 round mags to us regular people. :)
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 09:33 AM
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55. Why should it accept anything other than standard M16/AR-15 magazines?
That would just add to the already high cost.

Five- and 10-rounders are available to comply with state laws and hunting regulations.
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yay Donating Member (509 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 01:22 AM
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22. Probably shitty after they recall it 7.3 times
Edited on Sun May-17-09 01:27 AM by yay
I'm surprised it takes AR mags...

In any case you can get a fucking colt AR for that price. Or a nice noveske, XCR, Sig 556, hell almost any other manufacture with a better reputation for less than that.

Sorry ruger, day late, dollar short.
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HALO141 Donating Member (425 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 12:29 PM
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46. Indeed.
If I were tempted to drop that much cash on an AR type it'd probably be the SIG.
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 09:04 AM
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23. There a lot of people who will buy it simply because its marked Ruger
Edited on Sun May-17-09 09:14 AM by aikoaiko
You can see that with the .380 LCP that is a near clone of the Kel-tec P3AT (albeit slightly better texture and finish).

S&W AR-15s are selling well because of the S&W name only. But I have to admit S&W was ahead of the curve on offering a 5.45 Soviet upper.

As far as timing goes, the current muzzled support of the AWB is probably as good as it is ever going to get with Obama, Holder, Clinton, & Napoletano in higher office.

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BigBluenoser Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 09:18 AM
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24. I am 100% behind ownership of these types of weapons....
But goddamn son they is ugly!!

If ain't got wood it ain't no good.

It tends to be why I lean more toward Soviet weapons for modern military styling. Of course, most mall ninjas ditch any wood they get on their AKs and put a plastic stock on em. Which is good because it means lots of wood stocks & guards for us intelligent types.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 10:12 AM
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25. I'd personally take an M1 Carbine for defending my home
Something with a straight grip that I can stick a bayonet on the end of. Something I can use as an impromtu spear or club in the close confines of my apartment in case the bad guy is lurking around a corner someplace.


I know the pistol grip makes it easier to spray bullets blindly around a corner, but I'd rather take the straight grip and a bayonet.


And a tastical flashlight... need one'o them as well.
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BigBluenoser Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 01:49 PM
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33. How is the ammo situation on those?
I don't look for it specifically but I don't remember seeing any either.

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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 10:56 PM
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37. No problems that I'm aware of, although they don't put a lot of money into devleopment
Winchester and Federal each make a basic FMJ and a basic expanding-bullet loading. Sellier & Bellot, Wolf, and PMC each make a FMJ loading

The cartridge is generally considered too light for medium-game hunting, it's not flat-shooting enough for accurate varmit hunting, and all the hoopla in tactical long guns is in the .223 or .308.


There were a lot of them sold off after WW2 and Korea, the Civilian Marksmanship Program recently began selling M1 Carbines from the military's reserve stockpiles (like they've been doing with the M1 Garand and M1903), and Auto-Ordance (I think it's them) still makes them brand-new.


I realize that the M1 Carbine isn't something that good enough for front-line issue. It doesn't have the medium- and long-range performance needed, but for home defense? 25 yards or less? More than enough.
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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 06:19 PM
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49. The NYPD Stakeout Squad used M1 carbines in the 60's and 70's,
Edited on Mon May-18-09 06:19 PM by benEzra
possibly later. IMO, .30 carbine with softpoints compares pretty favorably with civilian .223 Remington JHP's inside 100 yards or so.
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one-eyed fat man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 09:41 AM
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57. Surplus carbines in the '50s
Edited on Tue May-19-09 09:49 AM by one-eyed fat man
After DCM, forerunner of the CMP, had peddled a ton of carbines for 21.80, delivered, Parcel Post, someone in Treasury noted that the barrel was often 17.9 inches long. That was within the manufacturing tolerance but ran afoul of the NFA. The government had found itself in the position of having sold an indeterminate number of short-barrel rifles. The solution was to amend the NFA so that a short rifle barrel became the now current 16 inches while shotguns remained at the original 18 inches.

In the early 60's stores like Klein's, Sears or Western Auto had paper barrels stacked with carbines for about 35 bucks take your pick. If you were diligent, and knew what your were looking for, you could occasionally find an M2 carbine mixed in. Up until the end of 1968 you could go get a Form 4, pay the tax and keep it.

I sure miss those freedoms!
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Mercracer Donating Member (72 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 10:46 AM
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27. This will be an excellent AR
Ruger didn't just clone the AR and put their name on it. Their gas system went through ALOT of development. It is adjustable down to the point of being a single shot. This is most useful when you are using a suppressor as you will have no action noise. Tests have shown that it is capable of .75MOA or less. It comes equipped with accessories which many people would be spending additional money on after purchasing a more basic AR.
All of the Ruger haters can ignore it as that will leave more available to purchase by those of us who can appreciate what it is.
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Euromutt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 07:00 AM
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53. You're probably right
I'll be honest, I have mixed feelings about the way Ruger has been heading since old Bill passed away, because while old Bill was regrettably all too happy to throw various gun rights under the bus to protect his market share, as a southpaw himself, he was a strong proponent of producing guns that could readily be used by left-handers, such as myself. And while I greatly appreciate the direction Ruger has taken the past few years with regard to acknowledging what gun enthusiasts want, this has come a cost to the ambidextrous designs of the past. I rejected the P345 because it's a right hand-only gun, and the P89 has sadly been discontinued. Sure, there's the SR9, but the safety skins my knuckle, and there's no CTC laser grips available for it.

Still, this does look like a very slick AR variant, and it does come with a plethora of built-in extras that most would take extra money and effort to add to a stock AR from most manufacturers. Frankly, it's still too rich for my blood right now, but if I had the money and was in the market for an AR, I'd definitely be looking at this one.
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 08:51 AM
Response to Reply #53
54. From another lefty..
Edited on Tue May-19-09 08:51 AM by X_Digger
I feel your pain. I really wanted a 1911 with an ambi safety without smithing, so I ended up with a taurus as that was what was available around here at the time. All my ARs have ambi safeties, but I haven't went so far as to get a LH upper, as I've been shooting left handed all my life, I'm used to having to dodge brass :)
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Euromutt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 06:51 AM
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59. To complicate things, I'm cross-dominant
So I shoot handguns left-handed, in an isosceles stance that allows me to put the sight in front of my right eye, but with long guns, I'm forced to shoot right-handed. It's no major drama; I did national service in the Dutch army, and on the range, everyone had to shoot long guns right-handed because of the placement of the filters on our gas masks.

As it happens, I have a Taurus PT1911 as well. I never quite understood what was supposedly so great about the 1911 until I shot one. But 1911s that come with an ambi safety out of the box are few and far between, and usually ludicrously expensive. So when I found a PT1911B with night sights on sale, I snapped it up.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 11:06 AM
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29. Apparently, they have finally admitted that the Mini-14 ain't no AR. nt
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Mercracer Donating Member (72 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 11:38 AM
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Market Demand
They recognize that there is a larger market demand for the AR. They recognize that this demand is gynormous.... They are staking out their piece of the pie by developing a relatively advanced rifle instead of a basic clone which would have saved them much time and money in R&D....
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 11:11 AM
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31. Blurgh.
Okay, gotta agree that that's pretty ugly. Also, I don't think I've ever really understood why so many people flip over the AR design. Okay, the modular design is cool, but for the level of power you get they're pretty damn expensive.
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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 01:55 PM
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35. Accuracy, modularity, and ergonomics, primarily. (n/t)
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yay Donating Member (509 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 01:01 AM
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38. The layout of the controls is damn near perfect. and "power" is a bit of a misnomer
You can get an AR chambered in everything from .22 short to .50 BMG.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 11:17 AM
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45. Yeah, but 99% of the things are 5.56.
Don't get me wrong, if somebody handed me one I wouldn't throw it away. But I would start desperately trying to trade it for an M1A. :D
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jeepnstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 10:28 AM
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44. I'm not sold...
on piston uppers yet. They seem to me to be a solution in search of a problem. The DI system on your basic AR is simple and effective.

On a very short or suppressed AR I guess it makes sense.

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Deadric Damodred Donating Member (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 10:22 AM
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60. Ugly
Edited on Sat May-30-09 10:23 AM by Deadric Damodred
That thing is ugly. The only way that rifle could possibly look good, is if you set it beside a California legal AR-15.
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