GUNS IN THE NEWS--November 12, 2003

[MrBenchley]

As CO Liberal sez:
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[MrBenchley]

1. Shooting at mobile home park probed (NC)

"A domestic dispute between a man and woman at a southwest Charlotte mobile home park late Monday left one man dead and another hospitalized with a stab wound, police said.

Police were called to the Arrowood Mobile Home Park on John Price Road near South Tryon Street and Westinghouse Boulevard just before 11 p.m. They found Samuel Grajales, 31, dead of a gunshot wound."

http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/news/7240332.htm

[MrBenchley]

2. Man accused of having bodies in car has history of drug arrests (MD)

Ah, those law-abiding, responsible gun owners....

"The man arrested on Interstate 95 in Cecil County last week after two bodies were found in the trunk of the car he was driving has a record of drug charges in New York state, authorities there said yesterday.
James Moore, 39, of Andrews, S.C., served nearly five years in a New York state prison in the mid-1990s for attempting to sell crack cocaine to an undercover police officer, said New York correctional officials. In addition, Westchester County, N.Y., police said yesterday that a warrant was filed Monday in Cecil County for Moore's arrest because he failed to appear at a sentencing hearing in 2001 on an unrelated drug charge.
The bodies, which had suffered multiple gunshot wounds, have not been identified, Maryland State Police said. Several investigators on the case were out of the office yesterday for the Veterans Day holiday."

http://www.sunspot.net/news/local/crime/bal-md.bodies12nov12,0,7446015.story?coll=bal-local-headlines

[Wcross]

18. Ah, the lies the anti's tell

Ah, those law-abiding, responsible gun owners....

"James Moore, 39, of Andrews, S.C., served nearly five years in a New York state prison in the mid-1990s"

Now, you know damn well this individual is prohibted by a "gun law" to own any firearms. Are you saying the gun laws don't work? Why do you have to post an obvious lie? This man was not a law abiding gun owner.

[MrBenchley]

19. Gee cross....

I'm not the one pretending that gun owners are law-abiding and responsible. Nor am I the one who screams in rage every time the gun show loophole by which this bozo could have gotten guns without a background check is mentioned.

"This man was not a law abiding gun owner. "
No shit, sherlock. He was a law breaking gun owner, of the sort the NRA seems to pander to.

[Wcross]

22. Really? Sure came off that way

Ah, those law-abiding, responsible gun owners....

"The man arrested on Interstate 95 in Cecil County last week after two bodies were found in the trunk of the car he was driving has a record of drug charges in New York state, authorities there said yesterday.
James Moore, 39, of Andrews, S.C., served nearly five years in a New York state prison in the mid-1990s for attempting to sell crack

To call a convicted felon a law abiding gun owner is a lie, isn't it?

[MrBenchley]

3. Slain during a carjacking, 'wonderful' father recalled (MD)

"Charles Edward Warner Sr. had a generous disposition and enjoyed helping others, but he wasn't the type to allow someone to take something from him, friends and family say.
Police believe Warner resisted when an assailant tried to steal his beloved customized van Saturday from a Wendy's parking lot in Northwest Baltimore.
Warner, 59, was fatally shot during the carjacking, and the 1995 Chevrolet van was stolen, investigators said.
Warner, of the 4000 block of Elderon Ave. in Northwest Baltimore, was a retired father of two and grandfather of seven. His death has left family and friends wondering how he could be gunned down on a sunny Saturday afternoon."

http://www.sunspot.net/news/local/crime/bal-md.carjack12nov12,0,4527956.story?coll=bal-local-headlines

[CO Liberal]

4. Three police officers wounded at Dallas apartment; other casualties feared

More of those wacky gun owners in Texas - Wayne

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Three police officers wounded at Dallas apartment; other casualties feared

BOBBY ROSS, Associated Press Writer Wednesday, November 12, 2003

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(11-12) 05:58 PST DALLAS (AP) -- Three officers were shot and wounded early Wednesday during a standoff at an apartment, and officials said they feared two people were dead in a bedroom.

Three children remained inside the apartment with a shotgun-wielding man, a police spokesman said. Police said they were able to rescue four other children when they arrived.

The episode began about 3:40 a.m. when police went to the Meadowpark Apartments in southwest Dallas because of reports of gunfire. The officers entered and found seven children unhurt, but were told that the gunman was inside a bedroom, said Sgt. Gil Cerda, a police spokesman. The three officers were shot when officers entered the bedroom, he said.

"There's possibly two deceased persons in the bedroom inside with the shooter," Cerda said.

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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2003/11/12/national0730EST0504.DTL

[CO Liberal]

5. Man Confronts Officers With Gun, Shot And Killed (NM)

More domestic violence, escalated by the presence of a gun. - Wayne

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Man Confronts Officers With Gun, Shot And Killed

Albuquerque police have fatally shot a man who officers say was armed with a gun and had been involved in a dispute with a woman.
Police say Aaron Dominguez, 20, was killed late yesterday at in the Warren Coronado apartment complex in the Uptown business area.

Albuquerque police officer Trish Ahrensfield says two police officers were placed on leave after the shooting.

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http://www.krqe.com/expanded3.asp?RECORD_KEY%5BLargeHeadline%5D=ID&ID%5BLargeHeadline%5D=2094

[MrBenchley]

6. Woman is shot in the head at home (PA)

"An 80-year-old retired Navy nurse was in critical condition last night after her husband accidentally shot her in the head, Abington police said.
Grace Pritz was shot at her home in the 100 block of Walker Avenue in Elkins Park just before 1 a.m. yesterday. Police said her husband, Joseph Pritz, called 911, and when police arrived, they found the woman lying on the floor.
Pritz, 87, told police he shot his wife in their living room because he mistook her for an an intruder. Police said the couple lived alone and there were no signs of forced entry.
Police said Pritz used a .38-caliber handgun."

http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/local/7239083.htm

[CO Liberal]

7. Diddy's Gun Pal Is Slain (Atlanta, GA)

Live by the gun, die by the gun..... - Wayne

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DIDDY'S GUN PAL IS SLAIN

November 12, 2003 -- Sean "P. Diddy" Combs' former bodyguard - who was acquitted with the millionaire rap mogul in a sensational gun trial two years ago - was shot and killed early yesterday outside an Atlanta nightclub, authorities said.

Anthony "Wolf" Jones, 38, was slain along with another man, Lamont Girdy, also 38, apparently after an argument over a woman at 4 a.m. in Buckhead, the heart of the city's entertainment district, said his lawyer, Michael Bachner.

Demetrius Flenory, 35, who was treated at the hospital for gunshot wounds to the buttocks, was arrested and charged with two counts of homicide, Atlanta cops said.

Another man was also hospitalized with a foot wound.

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http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/10627.htm

[Stilgar]

8. Jury acquits man in fatal shooting

Follow up

Kelly O'Hara contended all along that he was acting in self-defense when he shot and killed his girlfriend's ex-husband during a struggle last January.

Yesterday, a Jefferson Circuit Court jury acquitted him of a murder charge in the death of Michael Henry — and refused to find him guilty of any lesser crimes, including manslaughter or reckless homicide.

http://www.courier-journal.com/localnews/2003/11/11ky/met-front-murder1110-4213.html

[Stilgar]

9. Senate Votes to Arm Cargo Pilots

WASHINGTON - The latest government terror warning is giving a push to the stalled effort to allow cargo pilots to carry weapons in the cockpit.

The Homeland Security Department warned police last week that al-Qaida may be plotting to fly cargo planes from another country into U.S. nuclear plants, bridges, dams or other targets.

That warning prompted the Senate to pass a bill late Monday that would allow cargo pilots to carry guns, according to Sen. Jim Bunning, R-Ky., the bill's sponsor.

"It closes a big loophole in our homeland security," he said.

http://www.bradenton.com/mld/bradenton/7237994.htm

[Stilgar]

10. No charges in 'make my day' case

Charges will not be filed against a man who allegedly shot his neighbor's dog and then shot and killed the neighbor when the man confronted him, the Weld County district attorney said Monday.

The decision not to file charges was a hard one, said Weld County District Attorney Al Dominguez, but the shooting is justified under Colorado's "make my day" law.

"Based on the evidence that the investigation turned up, I could not find a way to get around that statute," Dominguez said. "This is the law we have in this state. This tragic consequence is the type of event that it can engender."

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/state/article/0,1299,DRMN_21_2419277,00.html

[CO Liberal]

11. Yesterday's News

This was posted yesterday.

[Stilgar]

14. I just saw it at the bottom of yesterdays

I missed it at the bottom

[CO Liberal]

12. Proposed law may hide more than just guns (Ohio)

The gun lobby strikes again. - Wayne

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Proposed law may hide more than just guns

Columbus - After Florida passed legislation to allow law-abiding citizens to carry concealed weapons, a study showed some law breakers received permission to carry them, too.

Loopholes and human errors caused Florida to grant permits to a man who robbed a business at gunpoint, a woman who had been confined to a mental hospital and a person arrested for aggravated assault with a firearm, a study showed.

Under a concealed weapons bill being debated in Ohio, it would be impossible for the public to learn if similar flaws existed here. House Bill 12 calls for all gun permit information to be exempt from public disclosure.

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http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/news/106863313499610.xml

[MrBenchley]

13. Bystander Dies Following North Side Bar Fight (TX)

"San Antonio police arrested a man who they say shot an innocent bystander outside a North Side club early Tuesday.
Police said several people were thrown out of a bar between Bitters Road and Heimer after an argument broke out between a man and a woman.
As emergency medical service technicians treated the woman for her injuries, the man returned and allegedly opened fire in the parking lot of the bar. A bystander was shot in the head and died at the scene."

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=391&ncid=391&e=4&u=/ibsys/20031111/lo_ksat/1872188

[MrBenchley]

15. Police Shoot Man In West Side Home (WI)

"A police officer shot a man inside his west-side home Tuesday morning.
Doug Timmens is listed in good condition with gunshot wounds, News 3 reported. The shooting happened about 11:30 a.m. at 2205 Tanager Trail, about two blocks south of Raymond Road.
Police were at the home Monday night investigating what they called "a serious crime inside the home." Tuesday morning, police said they got permission to go back to the house to collect evidence.
"The suspect entered the front door and threatened the officer with a handgun," said Public Information Officer Larry Kamholz."

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=300&ncid=300&e=3&u=/ibsys/20031112/lo_wisc/1872339

[MrBenchley]

16. Woman Fires Gun As Police Serve Warrant (TX)

"A woman shot herself early Wednesday morning when police showed up at her home to serve a warrant.
Investigators said Bellaire police were at the woman's home in the 1900 block of Winrock when she pulled the trigger.
Houston officials said Bellaire officers knocked on the woman's door around 1 a.m. Wednesday to serve her a warrant related to a homicide investigation. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=320&ncid=320&e=6&u=/ibsys/20031112/lo_kprc/1873671

[CO Liberal]

17. Guess She Ignored G. Gordon Liddy's Instructions

Liddy told his listeners once that if a government agent approached their door, they should "aim for their head".

Yet another wonderful pro-gunner......

[MrBenchley]

20. LOL!

"Yet another wonderful pro-gunner..."
Yup....another sterling example of the sort of idiot spouting "gun rights" rubbish.

[MrBenchley]

21. Man Killed, Woman Critically Injured In Shooting (IN)

"Police are investigating a double shooting on the city's east side Tuesday night.
The male victim was killed and the woman was reported in critical condition at a local hospital, RTV6 reported. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20031112/lo_wrtv/1873814