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gorfle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-08 11:27 AM
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ACLU updates its 2nd Amendment Position
Edited on Tue Jul-08-08 11:53 AM by gorfle
http://www.aclu.org/police/gen/14523res20020304.html

"The Supreme Court has now ruled otherwise. In striking down Washington D.C.'s handgun ban by a 5-4 vote, the Supreme Court's 2008 decision in D.C. v. Heller held for the first time that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to keep and bear arms, whether or not associated with a state militia.

The ACLU disagrees with the Supreme Court's conclusion about the nature of the right protected by the Second Amendment. We do not, however, take a position on gun control itself. In our view, neither the possession of guns nor the regulation of guns raises a civil liberties issue."


So...the SCOTUS says that the 2nd Amendment enumerates an individual right - just like the rest of the Bill of Rights does.

Yet the ACLU says that the possession and regulation of guns is not a civil liberties issue. Hmm.

"ANALYSIS
Although ACLU policy cites the Supreme Court's decision in U.S. v. Miller as support for our position on the Second Amendment, our policy was never dependent on Miller. Rather, like all ACLU policies, it reflects the ACLU's own understanding of the Constitution and civil liberties."


That's nice, but the ACLU's understanding doesn't make for the law of the land. The Supreme Court says that the right to keep and bear arms is an INDIVIDUAL RIGHT. This means issues regarding that right are CIVIL LIBERTY issues, just as issues involving any other individual right.

By ignoring an individual right enumerated in our Constitution, the ACLU most certainly IS taking a position on gun control.

"Heller takes a different approach than the ACLU has advocated. At the same time, it leaves many unresolved questions, including what firearms are protected by the Second Amendment, what regulations (short of an outright ban) may be upheld, and how that determination will be made.

Those questions will, presumably, be answered over time."


But not, evidently, with the help and support of the ACLU to champion a Constitutional individual right.
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-08 11:38 AM
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1. It's its. I have even seen its' but that's just nuts. nt
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gorfle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-08 11:54 AM
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3. Arg
You are right. I'm usually very good at apostrophes. I fixed it.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-08 11:47 AM
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2. Refusing to acknowledge the law of the land that the constitution protects an individual RKBA, ACLU
has harmed it's credibility and lost supporters.

When are civil liberties not civil liberties?

When ACLU says so regardless of what We the People say through our voices on the United States Supreme Court.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-08 12:13 PM
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4. Sorry ACLU, that's not good enough for me to start sending you money again
Fuggeddaboudit.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-08 12:21 PM
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5. ACLU would have opposed individual RKBA even if Heller had been 9-0. Sorry ACLU I've got a letter
ready for the mail demanding you return my membership fee and donation because you have betrayed your mission.
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