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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 09:09 PM Original message |
Give me a valid argument against national gun OWNER registration. |
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thunder rising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 09:11 PM Response to Original message |
1. That's how the Nazis rouded up the weapons. No I'll keep my cannons thank you. |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 09:19 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Irrelevant. The constitution authorizes it. |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 09:54 PM Response to Reply #2 |
9. A2 most certainly does not "authorize" it. |
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Blackeye101 (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 03:43 PM Response to Reply #9 |
100. Enough Said |
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Lint Head (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 09:21 PM Response to Original message |
3. There is a right to bare arms not missle launchers or WMD. |
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Old Codger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 09:28 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. well |
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napi21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 09:29 PM Response to Original message |
5. Not only is that the way the Natzi's confiscated all the weapons, but |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 09:58 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. Well said Sir/Ma'am. |
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napi21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 10:08 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Thanks and it's a Ma'am. n/t |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-15-08 12:06 PM Response to Reply #5 |
26. I never, once suggested gun restrictions. Not once. Nothing in my proposal would limit gun ownership |
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Boomer 50 (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 12:29 PM Response to Reply #26 |
98. Exactly the same line the Nazi's used. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-15-08 12:35 PM Response to Reply #5 |
30. how did the "Natzi's" handle highway traffic? |
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radioburning (146 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-04-08 09:41 PM Response to Reply #30 |
88. Completely unrealistic, childish post. Going waaaaaay out on a limb to make a point |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-04-08 10:00 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. and yet you still dodged it |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-05-08 05:26 PM Response to Reply #89 |
91. Deleted message |
AlinPA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-25-08 09:33 PM Response to Reply #5 |
69. A couple of guys in my sportsmen's club say there should be zero laws on guns. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-12-08 10:51 AM Response to Reply #5 |
97. This 'Gun Confiscation is What Nazis Did' Line, Ma'am, Is Very Tiresome |
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Boomer 50 (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 12:41 PM Response to Reply #97 |
99. You are exactly right. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 02:34 AM Response to Reply #99 |
101. Always Fun When Someone Misses The Point Entirely, Sir, And Manages To Demonstrate The Point As Well |
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Boomer 50 (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 09:00 PM Response to Reply #101 |
106. So.... you advocate disarmament for everyone |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-03-08 03:30 AM Response to Reply #106 |
109. My Advocacy, Sir, Is Of Accurate References To History, Rather Than Distortions Of Its |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 10:42 PM Response to Reply #97 |
108. y'all come back now, y'hear? |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 09:29 PM Response to Original message |
6. Practically, it's not a big deal. However, there is a lot of resistance... |
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provis99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 09:40 PM Response to Original message |
7. because it would cost a lot of money |
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Tejas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 10:22 PM Response to Reply #7 |
15. Thank you for pointing that out. |
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Vincardog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 09:46 PM Response to Original message |
8. the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-15-08 11:53 AM Response to Reply #8 |
24. Which is why I said "Shall Issue". No infringement involved. |
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Vincardog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-15-08 12:51 PM Response to Reply #24 |
31. IF yo are going to rely of jr's HomeLAnd gestapo to approve my application I wil take my chances |
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madeline_con (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 08:38 PM Response to Reply #31 |
51. Ditto, hear hear, and what YOU said! |
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Will E Orwontee (72 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 10:00 PM Response to Original message |
11. Your use of well regulated is not |
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hooptie (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-15-08 09:53 AM Response to Reply #11 |
23. Wow! |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-15-08 12:05 PM Response to Reply #11 |
25. Quite the mental backflip there. |
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Vincardog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-15-08 12:57 PM Response to Reply #25 |
32. "a licensing program" is not a power the Government was granted. What part of Shall Not infringe |
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dmsk8 (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-15-08 01:57 PM Response to Reply #25 |
36. Counterflip |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 12:38 PM Response to Reply #36 |
47. you should have had a spotter! |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 02:02 AM Response to Reply #25 |
41. The Congress has chosen to not regulate the miitia |
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madeline_con (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 08:39 PM Response to Reply #11 |
52. Good point. |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 10:11 PM Response to Original message |
13. My biggest objection... |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-15-08 12:20 PM Response to Reply #13 |
27. Yes, because everyone who takes an Art class in high school can paint the Mona Lisa afterward |
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madeline_con (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 08:45 PM Response to Reply #27 |
53. They might not all be Jackson Pollocks, either. |
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DrCory (862 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 06:42 AM Response to Reply #27 |
70. Following your logic... |
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politicalcamper (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-11-08 08:49 PM Response to Reply #13 |
92. Good idea but... |
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maxidivine (356 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-12-08 08:15 AM Response to Reply #13 |
96. You bought your guns out of paranoia? |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 10:14 PM Response to Original message |
14. Registration is a necessary component of confiscation. |
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razors edge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 10:31 PM Response to Original message |
16. Shall not be infringed. |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-15-08 12:22 PM Response to Reply #16 |
28. What infringement? Shall Issue. |
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razors edge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-15-08 11:07 PM Response to Reply #28 |
40. Registration is an infringement. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 06:57 PM Response to Reply #40 |
63. register to vote |
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madeline_con (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 08:46 PM Response to Reply #28 |
54. And a psych exam... |
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Irreverend IX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 10:35 PM Response to Original message |
17. I can't see how it would reduce crime. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-15-08 12:06 AM Response to Original message |
18. Give me an example of how this would reduce gun crime. |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-15-08 08:11 AM Response to Original message |
19. The Supreme Court has already ruled that a criminal in violation of gun laws |
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maxidivine (356 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-15-08 08:30 AM Response to Original message |
20. Well-regulated |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-15-08 08:54 AM Response to Original message |
21. After the gun confiscation of post-Katrina, I no longer think its paranoia to worry about the gov... |
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Tejas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 05:56 AM Response to Reply #21 |
42. "We're going to take all the guns" |
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old mark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-15-08 09:29 AM Response to Original message |
22. WHY... |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-15-08 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
29. sounds like |
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DU GrovelBot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-15-08 12:57 PM Response to Original message |
33. ## DON'T DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ## |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-15-08 01:29 PM Response to Original message |
34. Federal government has no authority to regulate non-commercial, intrastate transfers of used things |
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Tejas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 05:35 AM Response to Reply #34 |
55. Basic things are oft overlooked, |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 09:30 AM Response to Reply #55 |
56. I appreciate your comment very much, Tejas |
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dmsk8 (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-15-08 01:52 PM Response to Original message |
35. It's illega |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 12:37 PM Response to Reply #35 |
46. l |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-15-08 03:00 PM Response to Original message |
37. The government has the ability to tell that you own guns... |
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Tejas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-15-08 08:02 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. just a note |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-15-08 09:59 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. A note to your note... |
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HK91-762mm (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 08:16 PM Response to Original message |
43. Trick question |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 12:36 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. neat avatar you've got there! |
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iiibbb (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 11:53 AM Response to Original message |
44. Isn't incumbent on the proponents of gun control to prove it would reduce crime or is consitutional? |
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Tejas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 10:29 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. it's so the antis |
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Turbo Teg (248 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 08:19 AM Response to Original message |
49. Well, |
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maxidivine (356 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 09:41 AM Response to Reply #49 |
50. MOUNT UP!!!! |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 01:05 PM Response to Original message |
57. Here's a concrete example of why gun owner registration is bad |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 01:52 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. and just exactly how stupid are you going to feel |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 01:54 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. Probably not as stupid as you will feel |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 02:03 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. yup, just another rotten woman |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 02:06 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. Yup, just another evil, woman-hating man |
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Tejas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 06:57 PM Response to Reply #61 |
64. ...with a bunch of GUNS |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 02:29 PM Response to Reply #61 |
66. you've both got it, it seems |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-25-08 11:05 AM Response to Reply #66 |
68. Taking away peoples' civil rights because of ALLEGATIONS is neither liberal nor progressive |
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DrCory (862 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 07:00 AM Response to Reply #66 |
71. Or, better yet... |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 07:55 AM Response to Reply #71 |
72. revelation? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-27-08 10:59 AM Response to Reply #72 |
76. Talk about irrelevancies... |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-27-08 04:49 PM Response to Reply #76 |
79. well apparently that ain't so |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-27-08 05:13 PM Response to Reply #79 |
81. I'll just skip the bullshit and cut to the chase |
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DrCory (862 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 06:21 AM Response to Reply #72 |
87. It certainly is... |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-04-08 10:19 PM Response to Reply #87 |
90. I see |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 04:19 PM Response to Reply #66 |
73. I agree |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 04:31 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. thank you |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-27-08 06:34 AM Response to Reply #74 |
75. I would guess the thinking might go like this |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-27-08 11:04 AM Response to Reply #75 |
77. It will be interesting to see if this situation ever gets resolved |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-27-08 08:54 PM Response to Reply #77 |
86. I don't know this guy, obviously |
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stompk (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 07:32 PM Response to Reply #73 |
105. The revocation of his FOID card after a year is a great tool for law enforcement to keep him on his |
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Tejas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:02 PM Response to Reply #58 |
65. gunowner = guilty until proven innocent n/t |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-27-08 11:05 AM Response to Reply #65 |
78. Gun owner + Male = Two Strikes |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-27-08 04:57 PM Response to Reply #78 |
80. you know |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-27-08 05:15 PM Response to Reply #80 |
82. What does my race have to do with anything? |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-27-08 05:22 PM Response to Reply #82 |
83. hmm |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-27-08 06:25 PM Response to Reply #83 |
84. In fact you have never SEEN anyone on this forum, so you really can't be sure |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-27-08 06:55 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. well that ain't quite so |
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stompk (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 07:28 PM Response to Reply #58 |
104. ahhh |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 06:54 PM Response to Original message |
62. Regulated |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-25-08 02:55 AM Response to Original message |
67. An awful lot of crime is done via computer |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-11-08 09:17 PM Response to Original message |
93. Because no one can guarantee that a registration data base will not be used to confiscate firearms. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-11-08 10:07 PM Response to Reply #93 |
94. watch out! watch out! |
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Karl_Bonner_1982 (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-12-08 04:29 AM Response to Original message |
95. Some interpretations of Am. II are even more restrictive |
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Xela (787 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 10:09 AM Response to Original message |
102. Because registration is useless |
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old mark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-19-08 01:49 PM Response to Original message |
103. All your provisions are met under US law. |
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Thirylaermi (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 09:57 PM Response to Original message |
107. Registration |
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jeepnstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-03-08 08:18 AM Response to Original message |
110. Perhaps we should have a series of tests |
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SlipperySlope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-03-08 12:59 PM Response to Original message |
111. Two problems with this understanding... |
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Real_Talk (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-03-08 03:14 PM Response to Reply #111 |
112. try this |
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