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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 10:37 AM
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The NRA's Enemies List
"he National Rifle Association doesn't call it an enemies list, but deep in the recesses of the organization's Web site is a long, long compilation of the names of groups and individuals that the N.R.A. considers unfriendly.

I'm happy to report that I'm on the list, but my name is truly one among very many. The A.F.L.-C.I.O. is there, and the American Academy of Pediatrics. The Children's Defense Fund and the Lutheran Office for Governmental Affairs are there. The United States Catholic Conference, the U.S. Conference of Mayors and the Y.W.C.A. of the U.S.A. are all there.

Among the celebrities on the list are Dr. Joyce Brothers, Candice Bergen, Walter Cronkite, Doug Flutie, Michelle Pfeiffer, Vinny Testaverde, Moon Zappa and the Temptations.

Also on the list are the Kansas City Chiefs, Hallmark Cards, the Sara Lee Corporation, Ben & Jerry's, and Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Kansas City.

I'm sure there's a method to the N.R.A. madness, but to tell you the truth, all I can see is the madness."

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/10/13/opinion/13HERB.html?a...

Nice to see what extremist scum the gun lobby really is....
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 10:40 AM
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1. You can join the list too!
Join the A.F.L.-C.I.O., the American Academy of Pediatrics, the Children's Defense Fund, the Lutheran Office for Governmental Affairs, the United States Catholic Conference, the U.S. Conference of Mayors, the Y.W.C.A. of the U.S.A., Dr. Joyce Brothers, Candice Bergen, Walter Cronkite, Doug Flutie, Michelle Pfeiffer, Vinny Testaverde, Moon Zappa, the Temptations, the Kansas City Chiefs, Hallmark Cards, the Sara Lee Corporation, Ben & Jerry's, and Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Kansas City on the NRA's hate list.

http://www.nrablacklist.com/
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LibLabUK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 10:45 AM
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2. Hmm
Wouldn't it be easier for the NRA just to post a "Who's not on our list" list?

Is there a list of organisations/companies that do support/contribute to the NRA?
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 10:54 AM
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3. Yes - The Republican Party
Their parent corporation.......
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 10:57 AM
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5. LOL!!
Clearly the way to go is to turn our backs on the entire rest of America and pander to a tiny extremist fringe.....NOT.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 10:56 AM
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4. It's basically
the gun industry and a handful of loonies...
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 11:01 AM
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StClone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 11:13 AM
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9. Like Clark says
If you want to shoot guns join Bush "Peace Parade" in Iraq you animal.
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GOPFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 11:12 AM
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7. Sobering Statistic

"Between 1968, the year of Johnson's failure to get his legislation passed, and 2001, the last year for which complete statistics are available, more than one million Americans were killed by firearms."

Puts the death toll in Iraq in perspective, doesn't it?
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 11:16 AM
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10. Yup
NNo other civilized country is willing to put up with anything near that level of bloodshed just to pander to a corrupt industry and a handful of loonies....
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Wcross Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 06:02 PM
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138. Including suicide right? n/t
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 11:12 AM
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8. A link to the actual lists
Since Mr. Herbert did not bother to provide a link to the actual data, I looked it up. There are actually multiple lists of organizations and individuals that the NRA apparently considers to be anti-gun. Also some background information on anti-gun lobbying groups.

http://www.nraila.org/library.asp?type=Pro%2DGun+Groups...
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 11:18 AM
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11. Yup...look at the people these screwlooses hate...
Let's hear the RKBA crowd tell us how "biased" they are....


"American Association of School Administrators
American Association for the Surgery of Trauma
American Bar Association
American Civil Liberties Union
American Medical Association
American Trauma Society
National Association of Community Health Centers
National Association of Police Organizations
National Association of School Psychologists
National Coalition Against Domestic Violence
National Education Association
National Safe Kids Campaign
Physicians for Social Responsibility
Dehere Foundation
Harris Foundation
Hechinger Foundation
Joyce Foundation
Lauder Foundation
Lawrence Foundation
Ortenberg Foundation
Police Foundation
H.M. Strong Foundation
Florence and John Shumann Foundation
The Council of the Great City Schools
U.S. Catholic Conference, Dept. of Social Development
Committee for the Study of Handgun Misuse & World Peace
Common Cause
Children s Defense Fund
Disarm Educational Fund
George Gund FundAmbulatory Pediatric Association
American Academy of Ambulatory Care Nursing
American Academy of Child & Adolescent Psychiatry
American Academy of Pediatrics
American Association of Family and Consumer Sciences
American Association for World Health
American Association of Neurological Surgeons
American Association of Retired Persons
American Counseling Association
American Ethical Union
American Federation of Teachers
American Firearms Association
American Jewish Committee
American Jewish Congress
American Medical Association
American Medical Student Association
American Medical Women's Association
American Nurses Association
American Psychological Association
American Public Health Association
American Trauma Society
Americans for Democratic Action
Anti-Defamation League
Association of American Medical Colleges
B'nai B'rith
Black Mental Health Alliance
Central Conference of American Rabbis
Children's Defense Fund
Church of the Brethren
Coalition to Stop Gun Violence
Coalition for Peace Action
College Democrats of America
Congress of National Black Churches, Inc.
Congress of Neurological Surgeons
Consumer Federation of America
Council of Chief State School Officers
Council of the Great City Schools
Environmental Action Foundation
Episcopal Church-Washington Office
Friends Committee on National Legislation
General Federation of Women's Clubs
Gray Panthers
Hadassah
Interfaith Neighbors
Int'l Association of Educators for World Peace
Int'l Ladies' Garment Workers' Union
Jewish Labor Committee
League of Women Voters of the United States*
Lutheran Office for Governmental Affairs, Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
Manhattan Project II
Mennonite Central Committee-Washington Office
National Assembly of National Voluntary Health & Social Welfare Organizations
National Association for the Advancement of Colored People
National Association of Chain Drug Stores
National Association of Children's Hospitals and Related Institutions
National Association of Counties*
National Association of Pediatric Nurse Associates & Practitioners
National Association of School Safety and Law Enforcement Officers
National Association of Elementary School Principals*"
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 12:39 PM
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23. They blacklisted the American Firearms Association?
Edited on Mon Oct-13-03 12:41 PM by 0rganism
There's something kind of oddball about that. This business is more complicated than I originally suspected.

And they blacklisted Ann Rice, presumably because she can only be harmed with bullets made from melted-down silver crosses.

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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 02:03 PM
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25. Here's another bunch of loonies wailing about the AFA
"Take your blood pressure medication before you visit this site. It pretends to be on the side of law abiding gun owners, proclaiming that compromise is the only way to approach gun ownership. It prides itself in being a home for NRA refugees. Backed by gun grabbers, supported by the same misguided folks that nearly brought the NRA to its knees a few short years ago, the American Firearms Association is no friend of gun owners. Don't encourage them, don't support them, and most of all DON'T BE FOOLED into thinking they care about your firearms rights. "

http://www.gunsmoke.com/scot/guns/firearms_internet.htm...

Seems like the same mindless "gun rights" horseshit being peddled there as anywhere else...and despite the crap about "mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, grandparents, friends, children blah blah blah", it seems to be run by a PA gun club.

http://www.firearms.org /

You will notice some of the "celebrities" mentioned are mighty small potatoes...(Kevin Spirtas?)...pretty sccummy for a national organization like this to target them for petty political reasons..
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 11:19 AM
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12. Some more people that gun nuts are urged to hate
"National Organization for Women
National Organization on Disability
National Parks and Conservation Association
National Peace Foundation
National People's Action
National Political Congress of Black Women
National Parent, Teachers Association*
National SAFE KIDS Campaign
National Spinal Cord Injury Association
National Urban Coalition
National Urban League, Inc.
NETWORK: A National Catholic Social Justice Lobby
Peace Action
People for the American Way
Physicians for Social Responsibility
Project on Demilitarization and Democracy
Public Citizen
SaferWorld
Society of Critical Care Medicine
Southern Christian Leadership Conference
The Synergetic Society
Union of American Hebrew Congregations
Unitarian Universalist Association
United Church of Christ, Office for Church in Society*
United Methodist Church, General Board & Church Society
United States Catholic Conference
United States Conference of Mayors
War and Peace Foundation
Women's National Democratic Club
Women Strike for Peace
Women's Action for New Directions (WAND)
Women's Int'l League for Peace and Freedom
World Spiritual Assembly, Inc.
YWCA of the U.S.A.
20/20 Vision"
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 11:22 AM
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13. Guess You Really Have to Watch Those Folks Down at the YWCA
Edited on Mon Oct-13-03 11:28 AM by CO Liberal
:-)
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GOPFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 11:27 AM
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15. AND the Gray Panthers!
:scared:
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 11:35 AM
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18. You might recall
Ronald Reagan let Soviet Spy Robert Hanssen into cabinet meetings so that he could hear Hanssen's reports on how "subversive" the Gray Panthers were....

"Gray Panthers work on multiple issues that include: Peace, Jobs for All, Housing, Anti-Discrimination (ageism, sexism, racism), Family Security, Environment, Campaign Reform, and the United Nations. Over the years, Gray Panthers stopped forced retirement at age 65, exposed nursing home abuse, and worked in coalition for Universal Health Care. Gray Panthers mobilize voters on a variety of issues. Respected by their local, state and federal officials, Gray Panthers speak out on the issues that affect us all. Nationally, Gray Panthers fight to expand health care programs, promote peace, earn greater rights for the disabled, and create decent housing. We believe that together, we can make a difference. "

http://www.graypanthers.org/graypanthers/info.htm

<sarcasm>Yeah, THERE's vicious anti-gun scum...</sarcasm>
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 11:31 AM
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16. LOL!!
I don't think any of us gun control folks could do nearly as dandy a job showing what an extremist fringe the NRA and their ilk represent as this hate list does...

Never underestimate the RKBA crowd's penchant for inadvertant hilarity...
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 11:25 AM
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14. Leonard Nimoy? Yup...gun nuts HATE Leonard Nimoy...
Edited on Mon Oct-13-03 11:42 AM by MrBenchley
Remember, Mr. Spock used to pinch people on the shoulder instead of shooting them with his ray gun...only an extremely anti-gun person (or extraterrestrial) would do something like that....thank Koresh the NRA has exposed him and his evil for their inbred ignorant members!


"Krista Allen - Actress
Suzy Amis - Actress
Louis Anderson - Comedian
Richard Dean Anderson - Actor
Maya Angelou - Poet
David Arquette - Actor
Ed Asner - Actor
Alec Baldwin - Actor
Bob Barker - TV Personality
Carol Bayer Sager - Composer
Drew Barrymore - Actress
Kevin Bacon - Actor
Lauren Bacall - Actress*
Sarah Ban Breathnach - Writer
William Baldwin - Actor
Candice Bergen - Actress
Richard Belzer - Actor
Tony Bennett - Singer
Boys II Men - Pop Group
Jon Bon Jovi - Singer
Peter Bogdonovich - Director
Peter Bonerz - Actor
Albert Brooks - Actor
Beau Bridges - Actor
Benjamin Bratt - Actor
Bonnie Bruckheimer - Movie Producer
Christie Brinkley - Model
Dr. Joyce Brothers - Psychologist/Author
James Brolin - Actor
James Brooks - TV Producer
Mel Brooks - Actor/Director
Steven Brill - Author
Betty Buckley - Actress
Ellen Burstyn - Actress
Steve Buscemi - Actor
David Canary - Actor
Kate Capshaw - Actress
Josh Charles - Actor
Julia Child - Author/Chef*
Robert Chartloff - Producer
Stockard Channing - Actress
Russell Simmons - Record Producer
Jill Clayburgh - Actress
Rosemary Clooney - Singer
Terri Clark - Singer
Jackie Cooper - Actor/Director*
Jennifer Connolly - Actress
Judy Collins - Singer
Kevin Costner - Actor
Sean Connery - Actor
Sheryl Crow - Singer
Walter Cronkite - Frmr News Anchor
Billy Crystal- Actor
July Cypher - Director
Bill D'Elia
Arlene Dahl - Actress
Clive Davis - Writer
Linda Dano - Actress
Matt Damon - Actor
Pam Dawber - Actress
Patrika Darbo - Actress
Stuart Damon - Actor
Ellen Degeneres - Actress
Gavin de Becker - Writer
Rebecca DeMornay - Actress
Danny DeVito - Actor
Michael Douglas - Actor
Phil Donahue - Talk Show Host
Richard Donner - Director
Fran Drescher - Actress
Richard Dreyfus - Actor
David Duchovny - Actor
Sandy Duncan - Actress
Christine Ebersole - Actress
Kenneth "Babyface" Edmonds - Singer
Missy Elliott - Singer
Nora Ephron - Director
Gloria Estefan - Singer
Melissa Etheridge - Singer
Mia Farrow - Actress
Mike Farrell - Actor
Carrie Fisher - Actress
Sally Field - Actress
Doug Flutie - NFL player
Fannie Flagg - Actress
Jane Fonda - Actress
Rick Fox - NBA Player
Andy Garcia - Actor
Art Garfunkel - Singer
Estelle Getty - Actress
Geraldo - TV personality
Richard Gere - Actor
Kathie Lee Gifford - TV personality
Paul Glaser - TV director
Brad Gooch - Writer
Elliott Gould - Actor
Louis Gossett, Jr. - Actor
Michael Gross - Actor
Nancy Lee Grahn - Actress
Spalding Gray - Actor
Bryant Gumbel - TV Personality
Deidra Hall - Actress
Ethan Hawke - Actor
Mariette Hartley - Actress
Mark Harmon - Actor
Anne Heche - Actress
Howard Hessman - Actor
Marilu Henner - Actress
Hal Holbrook - Actor*
Whitney Houston - Singer
Helen Hunt - Actress
Grace-Lynne Ingle - Actress
John Ingle - Actor
Francesca James - TV Producer
Norman Jewison - Director
Lainie Kazan - Actress
Richard Karn - Actor
Jeffrey Katzenberg - Producer
Barry Kemp - TV Producer
David E. Kelley - TV Producer
Diane Keaton - Actress
Margaret Kemp - Interior Designer
Chaka Khan - Singer
Coreta Scott King - Activist
Kevin Kline - Actor
Michael E. Knight - Actor
Jonathan Kozol - Writer
William Kovacs - Director
Lenny Kravits - Singer
Lisa Kudrow - Actress
Wally Kurth - Actor
Christine Lahti - Actress
k.d. lang - Singer
Ricki Lake - TV personality
Denis Leary - Actor
John Leguizamo - Actor
Norman Lear - TV Producer
Spike Lee - Director
Hal Linden - Actor
Lisa Linde - Actress
Tara Lipinski - Former Olympian
Keyshawn Johnson - NFL player
Rob Lowe - Actor
Amanda Marshall - Singer
Barry Manilow - Singer
Camryn Manheim - Actress
Howie Mandel - Actor
Kyle MacLachlan - Actor
Madonna - Singer
Marla Maples - Actress
Marsha Mason - Actress*
Mase - Singer
Penny Marshall - Director
Prema Mathai-Davis - YWCA Official
John McDaniel - Musician
John McEnroe - Athlete
Brian McKnight - Musician
Ed McMahon - TV personality
Natalie Merchant - Singer
Bette Midler - Singer
Shane Minor - Musician
Mary Tyler Moore - Actress
Norval Morris - Law Professor
Mike Myers - Actor
N Sync - Singer
Kathy Najimy - Actress
Paul Newman - Actor
Jack Nicholson - Actor
Leonard Nimoy - Actor
Mike Nichols - Director
Stephen Nichols - Actor
Rosie O'Donnel - Actress/Talk Show Host
Jennifer O Neill - Actress
Julia Ormond - Actress
Jane Pauley - TV Personality
Sarah Jessica Parker - Actress
Mandy Patinkin - Actor
Rhea Perlman- Actress
Michelle Pfieffer - Actress
Sydney Pollack - Director
Aidan Quinn - Actor
Colin Quinn - Actor
Dennis Quaid - Actor
Elizabeth Bracco Quinn - Actress
Bonnie Raitt - Singer
Debbie Reynolds - Actress
Mary Lou Retton - Former Olympian
Paul Reiser - Actor
Peter Reckell - Actor
Rob Reiner - Actor/Director
Robert Redford - Actor/Director
Anne Rice - Writer
Cathy Rigby - Actress
Natasha Richardson - Actress
Julia Roberts - Actress"

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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 11:52 AM
Response to Reply #14
21. Bon Jovi??
So hair metal is anti-NRA?


The NRA has doen what I thought impossible - made me suddenly respect a lot of half-celebrities.

Like a couple of years ago I NEVER thought I'd ever listen to the Dixie Chicks.


Now why didn't Ozzie Osbourne make the list? That would have made my day....
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 12:47 PM
Response to Reply #21
24. Want proof the NRA is a bunch of lunatics?
Who else thinks "Krista Allen," "John Ingle," and "Peter Reckell" are CELEBRITIES?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 08:24 AM
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 08:28 AM
Response to Reply #50
51. Gee, dems, thanks for those "thoughts"
which would not have been out of place at Free Republic...a delightful mix of hysteria and bigotry.

"Ed Asner is a communist and history has taught us how communists feel about guns"
Really, is ANYBODY fooled by this poster?
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demsrule4life Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 08:32 AM
Response to Reply #51
52. Ed Asner
has stated many times in public that he is. You have a real hangup with the truth.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 08:40 AM
Response to Reply #52
53. Nice to see red-baiting
from the RKBA crowd...

I don't think you're fooling anyone...and I'd LOVE to see you try and prove this one..

Quick everybody, what do you think his right wing loony source will be?
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demsrule4life Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 10:15 AM
Response to Reply #53
54. Red baiting?
One thing about Ed at least he has true convictions and he stands by them.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 10:28 AM
Response to Reply #54
56. Yeah, red baiting...
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 10:26 AM
Response to Reply #52
55. I'm Calling You On That, Dems!!!!
I just did a Google search on < "Ed Asner" + communist > - the only references I found were to right-wing sites such as Free Republic and World Nut Daily.

Please provide a link to a reputable source that supports your statement about Ed Asner being a communist.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 10:29 AM
Response to Reply #55
57. Good call!
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 02:45 PM
Response to Reply #55
58. You should also check out the "assault weapons ban" thread
Where we actually have an "enthusiast" trying to claim the KKK is NOT racist.
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demsrule4life Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 06:26 PM
Response to Reply #55
61. Why should I bother?
Why don't you prove I'am wrong? I posted it, I stand by it. I'am not going to get in a debate with two faced anti's. NRA has an agenda. The Brady bunch has an agenda. It is not ok for progun to link to anything by the NRA but it is ok for the anti's to link to anything put out by the Brady bunch. Just for once I would like to see the antigun folks link to a site that is a "reputable source". If you are confused that is a source that post facts and is not either pro or antigun.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 06:48 PM
Response to Reply #61
62. In other words, it was crap as usual
"It is not ok for progun to link to anything by the NRA but it is ok for the anti's to link to anything put out by the Brady bunch."
That's because the NRA is headed by a bunch of right wing racist turds, dems. And pretty much everything they say is a LIE in some form or other.

"An outspoken Democrat, during the recent presidential campaign, Asner taped a telephone message geared to Senior Citizens on behalf of Al Gore and the DNC. And he was also part of the demonstration in LA on Inauguration Day that expressed displeasure with the election outcome.

http://www.thepetpress-la.com/articles/edasner.htm

" Democrats have begun making tens of thousands of recorded phone calls featuring actor Ed Asner assailing George W. Bush's Social Security plan.
The calls, begun over the weekend in several battleground states, echo the message being delivered this week in more than $10 million worth of television advertising."

http://www.stater.kent.edu/stories_old/00fall/102400/W1...

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demsrule4life Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 07:18 PM
Response to Reply #62
65. How does this have anything to do with me
calling him a communist?
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 08:10 PM
Response to Reply #65
67. You Called Ed Asner a Communist
MrBenchley provided links showing him to be a Democrat.

Your turn.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 08:32 PM
Response to Reply #65
68. Well, as we've seen, that claim was crap
but thanks for pretending that Democrats are communists...
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 08:08 PM
Response to Reply #61
66. Last Time I Looked, Dems, I Only Had One Face
It's not the best looking one in the world, but it's served me well for over 50 years.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 08:37 PM
Response to Reply #66
69. Helluva carnival, isn't it?
Between the "enthusiast" claiming the KKK wasn't racist, and this stuff...it's been loads of laughs...

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RoeBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 09:35 PM
Response to Reply #66
71. You showed me two faces the other day...
...one when you said you weren't a gun banner the other when you said you would support any law that will save one life. Can't have it both ways.
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 08:58 AM
Response to Reply #71
77. There's a Difference.....
....between banning a specific class of weapon and confiscating all guns. Too many pro-gunners fail to recognize this.
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DoNotRefill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 09:57 AM
Response to Reply #77
78. CO...You're a gun banner.
You said there are certain classes of weapons you want to ban. Claiming that you aren't a gun banner after saying that is just silly. Let me show you why. Suppose somebody has sex with somebody else against their will, and the person gets arrested and convicted of rape. Can he claim he's not a rapist? After all, he didn't rape EVERYBODY, did he? He just raped the one person, right? This is the same thing, except without the sex, arrest, and trial. You admit you want to ban some guns, but say you don't want to ban them all. I'm sorry, CO, but that makes you a gun banner. You don't have to want to ban ALL guns to be a gun banner, wanting to ban ONE gun is enough.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 10:05 AM
Response to Reply #78
79. So the AWB is like rape to the RKBA crowd?
Uh-huh. Ho-kay.
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 12:35 PM
Response to Reply #78
81. If That's The Case.....
...I'll wear the label of "gun banner" with pride, they same way I wear the labels of "liberal", Democrat", "loving husband" and "devoted father".
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demsrule4life Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 01:36 PM
Response to Reply #81
82. There was no question in my mind that
you werent a gun banner. I don't argee with you of course, but I respect a person more if he says this is what I am and now try your best to change my mind. :) And I will still say that Ed is a communist. He has given to much money to communist causes and in my book actions speak louder then words. He is a member or at the very least has done work for the DSOA party. I have spent time in the old DDR and I have seen first hand on how "socialist democratic" governments treat their people. Our country has alot of faults but at least we dont shoot anybody if they try to leave. I might be wrong, hell I'am wrong alot but I have a hard time telling the difference between a hard core "socialist" and a communist by what I have seen in my travels. And one thing I do know that is that hardcore socialist/communists are antigun, and for good reason in the real world the common people don't want to live under that system.


DSOC also drew to its banner a number of well-known public figures, such as Machinists' Union leader William Winpisinger, feminist Gloria Steinem, gay rights activist Harry Britt, actor Ed Asner, and California Congressman Ron Dellums, the first avowed socialist in Congress since World War Two.
http://dsausa.org/about/history.html


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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 02:17 PM
Response to Reply #82
83. So now Gloria Steinem is a Commie too, dems?
You really ARE a pip...

"FORMER REP. RON DELLUMS: Well, I think the quote that described my election says it all. The quote that went around the nation and around the world was: "Afro-top, bell-bottomed, radical black man from Berkeley wins election," and thats how I walked in the door. And so I was perceived as the left-wing, Commie, Pinko, Black Panther from the Bay area that walked into Congress.

ELIZABETH FARNSWORTH: When you were made a member of the Armed Services Committee, what happened when you first went in to sit on the committee?

FORMER REP. RON DELLUMS: Well, at first, you know, they turned me down. And they turned me down because I was ostensibly a security risk because I was from Berkeley. They said, well never be able to have secret meetings; this guy will expose--it was bizarre--it was extreme. Remember, in Richard Nixons top ten enemy list I appear as number six on that list.

FORMER REP. RON DELLUMS: Right off the top, it would clearly be bringing sanctions against South Africa that led--helped lead to the freedom of Mandela and the freedom of the people of South Africa and a new reality in South Africa. When I first introduced the legislation to bring sanctions against South Africa, I was joined with one of my fellow African-American colleagues, John Conyers, after we had met with Polaroid workers back in 1972. And so when we introduced the bill to bring sanctions and disinvestment of American corporations in South Africa, it was a Berkeley, Commie, Pinko, Socialist idea, but later on it became an idea that people all over this country embraced because they understood it. "

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/congress/jan-june98/dell...

"It's a very dignified place, you get cut up with a smile and with a great... I'd say, "Would the gentleman yield for a few questions? Has the gentleman ever received free medical care from the House position?" Because we have an entire staff to take care of us because we make important decisions that affect many people's lives, so we have to stay healthy. He would reluctantly then say, "Yes." Second question, "Will the gentleman yield further?" "Yes." "Have you ever received free medicine from the House position?" He would say yes. I would say, "When you needed to be hospitalized at Walter Reed or Bethesda Hospital, were you treated as a private, a PFC or were you treated better than the general?" "The latter." I would say, "I thank the gentleman for his candid responses." I would suggest to him if that's not creeping socialism, what is it?
But for the elite, you see, for the elite, and that's the point that I would like very much to drive home to you, is that some of us, because of our station in life, have benefits that people because of their lack of that station do not have."

http://www.commonwealthclub.org/archive/20thcentury/71-...

It's certainly swell to see good old fashioned 50s-style red-baiting on the pages of DU....what's next from the RKBA crowd, Ann Coulter's opinion on gun control?
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demsrule4life Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 02:21 PM
Response to Reply #83
84. Her name was on the link
dont recall me, myself or I saying that. Only person I said was Ed and Jane, since I havent caught any crap about Jane am I right?
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 02:40 PM
Response to Reply #84
85. Now what the hell are you babbling about?
"Only person I said was Ed and Jane"
So "Ed and Jane" is the ONLY person you're red-baiting? Koresh, the RKBA crowd's penchant for inadvertant hilarity grows ever stronger!

So which Jane are you spouting right wing rubbish about? Fonda or Pauley? Both of them turn out to be "enemies" of these racist scumbags at the NRA.
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demsrule4life Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 02:46 PM
Response to Reply #85
86. The question should be
"Now what the hell are you babbling about?"

I just noticed that Flash deleted the orginal post, I said Jane "someday we should all be lucky to be communist" Fonda.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 03:02 PM
Response to Reply #86
88. That's what I ask after many RKBA posts...
"I said Jane "someday we should all be lucky to be communist" Fonda. "
Really, why ARE you here? It's not like you're fooling anyone any more by posting this far right wing crap.

http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/weekly/aa110399.h...
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demsrule4life Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 03:09 PM
Response to Reply #88
90. That is a fair question
I do have alot of soul searching to do. I'am sorry if I sound like I belong to the right but I have never belonged or voted for a repug, I don't belong to the NRA and I hate any group that preaches hate. Maybe I'am just to much in the center to belong to any party.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 03:47 PM
Response to Reply #90
95. Doesn't sound like anybody
shouting "__________ is a communist" at the drop of a hat is anywhere near the center to me.

Did anybody ever tell you that McCarthyism died about 1955 or so?
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demsrule4life Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 03:53 PM
Response to Reply #95
96. Sounds like someone
that is in the center and who is sick and tired of all the fighting between the far right and far left. When I did that post about my "thoughts" was trying to add some levity into the thread. Guess I messed that up.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 03:58 PM
Response to Reply #96
97. Yeah, that Joe McCarthy...what a kidder!
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 05:16 PM
Response to Reply #82
100. You Will Never Change My Mind
Others have tried on this forum, and most of them have earned little tombstones for their effort.
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demsrule4life Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 05:21 PM
Response to Reply #100
101. Never said I could
But I do respect a man that sticks to their beliefs even if I agree with them or not.
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DoNotRefill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 05:50 PM
Response to Reply #81
103. to each his own....
hell, some people bear the label "Copropheliac" with pride...
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RoeBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 05:18 PM
Response to Reply #77
152. So it's ok to ban guns...
...if you just do a couple at a time. I get it.
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 05:20 PM
Response to Reply #152
153. And To Your Way of Thinking....
...it's OK for any moron to get his hands on any fire power they want. I respectfully disagree.
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damnraddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 11:32 AM
Response to Original message
17. And the entire states of Kansas and Nebraska ...
two of the last states that do not allow concealed carry. It's scary how few states have been able to stand up to the true American terrorists -- the NRA.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 11:36 AM
Response to Reply #17
19. Exactly so...
Just look at their range of "enemies"....it's pretty much every decent person in America...
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DocSavage Donating Member (594 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 08:45 PM
Response to Reply #17
70. Kansas will have Right to Carry
This will be presented within a year. And it will pass.

I have not now nor have I been a member of the NRA, I am however a supporter of the 2nd Ammendment.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 10:27 AM
Response to Reply #70
80. Whether the citizens want it or not
thanks to the GOP and their willingness to pander to a handful of neurotics and the corrupt gun industry.
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 11:50 AM
Response to Original message
20. They forgot one important anti-gun group
DU
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 12:04 PM
Response to Reply #20
22. Maybe they don't think DU is important enough
Either that, or the diversity of opinion here prevents its classification as anti-gun per se. Pro-gun views are tolerated here.
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Emoto Donating Member (914 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 02:52 PM
Response to Original message
26. Glad to have that list!
It is always good to know who has been working on taking away our civil rights.
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 02:58 PM
Response to Reply #26
27. Be Sure to Keep an Eye on the YWCA.....
Who knows WHAT they're planning in the locker rooms?

:-)
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 03:11 PM
Response to Reply #26
28. Even funnier to see
that claim....

Yeah, just look at these people <sarcasm>"taking away our civil rights."</sarcasm>

American Bar Association
American Civil Liberties Union
American Medical Association
National Education Association
Common Cause
Children s Defense Fund
American Association of Retired Persons
American Ethical Union
American Federation of Teachers
College Democrats of America
Congress of National Black Churches, Inc.
Congress of Neurological Surgeons
Consumer Federation of America
Int'l Ladies' Garment Workers' Union
League of Women Voters of the United States
National Association for the Advancement of Colored People
National Center to Rehabilitate Violent Youth
National Council of La Raza
National Council of Negro Women
National Council on Family Relations
National Education Association
National Political Congress of Black Women
National Parent, Teachers Association
National SAFE KIDS Campaign
National Spinal Cord Injury Association
National Urban Coalition
National Urban League, Inc.
Women's National Democratic Club"

Wow, what a ruthless freedom hating bunch of despots...NOT.

For the RKBA crowd, THESE are the sort of folks defending "our" civil rights....

"The so-called gun control bill enacted by the government is nothing but anti-self defense laws designed to disarm law abiding citizens. The right to own guns as guaranteed by the 2nd amendment to the United States Constitution must be protected. Gun ownership is NOT a privilege, its a CONSTITUTIONALLY PROTECTED RIGHT!!! The Texas Knights work to completely restore the right of all law-abiding citizens to keep and bear arms."

http://www.texaskkk.com/platform.htm

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BullDozer Donating Member (754 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 07:08 PM
Response to Original message
29. Too bad
that you dislike that an organization keeps track of groups and person who activily work to oppose them. This is exactly something I expect that any advocacy group does and something that members of a group deserve to receive as a service.



The following organizations have lent monetary, grassroots or some other type of direct support to anti-gun organizations. In many instances, these organizations lent their name in support of specific campaigns to pass anti-gun legislation such as the March 1995 HCI "Campaign to Protect Sane Gun Laws." Many of these organizations were listed as "Campaign Partners," for having pledged to fight any efforts to repeal the Brady Act and the Clinton "assault weapons" ban. All have officially endorsed anti-gun positions

The following celebrities and national figures have lent their name and notoriety to anti-gun causes, speaking out for anti-gun legislation and providing a voice for anti-gun organizations.

The following listing includes the most prominent national corporations that have lent their corporate support to gun control initiatives or taken position supporting gun control.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 07:23 PM
Response to Reply #29
30. Gee, dozer
Seems like pretty much every group of sane people everybody's ever heard of seems to be anti-gunn to the asswipes of the NRA.

"This is exactly something I expect that any advocacy group does"
Really? Let's see some other groups with "enemies lists"....
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BullDozer Donating Member (754 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 07:29 PM
Response to Reply #30
31. And if all of your friends wanted to jump off of a bridge
Let's see some other groups with "enemies lists"....

Well since the NRA doesn't have an "enemies list" I guess you are screwed on that one bub.

Peddle your spin cycle right on out of here.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 08:12 PM
Response to Reply #31
32. The hell the NRA doesn't have an enemies list...
And all of MY friends don't have several screws loose....unlike the NRA and their supporters.

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BullDozer Donating Member (754 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 08:25 PM
Response to Reply #32
33. Is that so?
. The hell the NRA doesn't have an enemies list...

Care to point me to the NRAs enemies list? No not the lists that YOU are spinning the label of enemies list onto. The list the the NRA itself calls their enemies list is what you need to show.

And all of MY friends don't have several screws loose

Now that IS funny!!!!!!!!!
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 08:33 PM
Response to Reply #33
34. Yeah, that's so.....
Edited on Mon Oct-13-03 08:39 PM by MrBenchley
You can spin until you're blue in the face, dozer. It's an enemies list....and like Nixon's original, it's an honor to be on it.

So where are all these advocacy groups you claimed had similar lists?


Here's a link to a list of some groups....

http://www.worldadvocacy.com /

Let's try a few...

http://www.wrongfuldeathinstitute.com /

No enemies list there....

http://www.actagainstviolence.org /

None there either...

http://www.nabe.org/links.asp

None there either...although there certainly are enemies of bilingualism...for example, the racist "English Only" groups so many RKBA leaders also head up....
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BullDozer Donating Member (754 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 11:17 PM
Response to Reply #34
35. Whatever
It's an enemies list

Sez you are your feeble spin machine
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RoeBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 05:30 AM
Response to Reply #35
36. I'd say it's fair to call it an enemies list...
...I'd bet though that the NRA calls it an enemies of gun freedom list.

And I like the writers lack of bias: ""All of the groups and individuals listed are supposed to be anti-gun. I can't speak for the Kansas City Chiefs or Moon Zappa, but I'm not anti-gun. I think soldiers, the police and certain other law enforcement officials should have guns. Civilians, however, should be required to demonstrate a good reason for having firearms. We should go to great lengths to keep guns out of the hands of children, criminals and insane people. All guns should be registered. And all gun owners should be properly trained and licensed."

No gun banner he. Suuurrre!
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 07:41 AM
Response to Reply #36
38. Sounds good to me, roe...
but then I don't have a gun fetish...or need to pretend that the Kansas City Chiefs, NAACP and Candice Bergen are threats to freedom.
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 09:35 AM
Response to Reply #36
39. There's a difference, RoeBear......
Between registering guns, training and licensing gun owners, and banning guns. They are three separate concepts.
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RoeBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 09:42 AM
Response to Reply #39
40. Do you fully agree with the writer's comment:
"Civilians, however, should be required to demonstrate a good reason for having firearms."

If so, what would you consider a good reason for owning a gun. I, personally, would say a good reason for owning one is because you want to own one.
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 09:48 AM
Response to Reply #40
41. And a Bad Reason Would Be.....
...."I want to rob people."

:-)
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 10:00 AM
Response to Reply #41
42. In my entire lifetime
I've never met anyone who "had to have" a gun who wasn't either a raving nutcase or a lowlife.
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DoNotRefill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 07:48 PM
Response to Reply #42
106. I'm sure the police appreciate your opinion of them....
Make sure you tell them that they're lowlifes and raving nutcases the next time you get a speeding ticket or go through a sobriety checkpoint... :evilgrin:
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demsrule4life Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 07:53 PM
Response to Reply #106
107. Something new I just found out
cops now have alcohol detecting dogs for those checkpoints. Before I retired my nose worked just fine, but a dogs nose is always better.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 08:32 PM
Response to Reply #106
110. Gee, refill
Try spinning a bit harder next time...you haven't quite reached escape velocity.
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RoeBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 05:00 PM
Response to Reply #41
43. I guess we are in agreement then...
...we'll add that question to the 4473 and see what happens.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 07:39 AM
Response to Reply #35
37. It's an enemies list
and I guess that claim other advocacy groups had them is a load.....
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BullDozer Donating Member (754 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 06:58 PM
Response to Reply #37
44. I suggest that
You should learn to use the cut and past feature of your computer since you are so clearly unable to accurately quote people on a consistent basis.


"This is exactly something I expect that any advocacy group does and something that members of a group deserve to receive as a service."

To those of us that comprehend English that is clearly not a blanket claim that all advocacy groups have lists of those in opposition to their goals.

and I guess that claim other advocacy groups had them is a load.....

Gee bunkley who do you think can meet the burden of proof first, you who will have to show that the NRA is the only group to have a similar list or I who just has to find one group who has one?

Ooops I guess you lose http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?... .
(you will have to look at the link as SPL has a copyright disclaimer in place "Reproduction of material from any SPLCenter.org pages is strictly prohibited.")

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with the contents of that link it's merely used to show that groups do indeed produce lists similar to that which the NRA has.

Is it supposed to my fault that members of some groups don't get the same service from theirs that others can get from the NRA for $10 a year? I happen to like having a list of National Organizations With Anti-Gun Policies and Anti-Gun Lobbying Organizations available to me.

You can whine all you want but until you can show that it's an enemies list and not merely a list of those who support or are vocal about their support of positions contrary to that which the NRA takes then once again you don't have a leg to stand on.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 08:32 PM
Response to Reply #44
45. I appreciate the suggestion, dozer, really.....
After all, it's not like there's anything but the same tedious distortions from you post after post after post.

"I guess you lose http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?... "
Too too funny...a list of right wing hate groups corresponds to the NRA's hit list in your book?

"I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with the contents of that link it's merely used to show that groups do indeed produce lists similar to that which the NRA has."
So a group listing foundations that generate right wing rubbish is supposed to be similar to this idiotic enemies list by the NRA? Who the hell are you trying to kid?

"An array of right-wing foundations and think tanks support efforts to make bigoted and discredited ideas respectable"
Joined by the RKBA crowd here, evidently.
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BullDozer Donating Member (754 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 09:09 PM
Response to Reply #45
46. Follow along now......
After all, it's not like there's anything but the same tedious distortions from you post after post after post.

I'm sure you really meant to send that to yourself since that's where it's true.

So a group listing foundations that generate right wing rubbish is supposed to be similar to this idiotic enemies list by the NRA? Who the hell are you trying to kid?

Duh! It's not the contents of the list that matter it's the purpose of the list. SPLs list is for the same purpose as the NRAs list, to tell the people who see the list that the groups and persons on the list are against the side of the list creator.

Got it now?
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 09:15 PM
Response to Reply #46
47. Gee, dozer, it's funny as hell to see you claiming
content don't matter...

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BullDozer Donating Member (754 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 09:20 PM
Response to Reply #47
48. blindness is bliss?
For the specific purpose of the point that you are so dutifully missing, the content of the list doesn't matter.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 07:14 AM
Response to Reply #48
49. Who the hell arre you trying to kid?
Content means everything in this context.

Why don't you tell us how Vinny Testaverde is "anti-gun."

How about the American Academy of Pediatrics? Tell us what makes them "anti-gun."

How about the National Organization on Disability?
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BullDozer Donating Member (754 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 06:13 PM
Response to Reply #49
60. Weep away
Edited on Wed Oct-15-03 06:30 PM by BullDozer
Content means everything in this context.

The contents of a list are irrelevant for the purpose of disproving your assertion that the claim of other advocacy groups having lists for a similar purpose is "a load", only the existence of the list is required.

Your claim was that "and I guess that claim other advocacy groups had them is a load....." and you have been shown to be wrong about that.

Why don't you tell us how Vinny Testaverde is "anti-gun."

According to http://www.stopgunviolence.org/Supporters.html he lent his name to the gun control cause, speaking for gun legislation and provided a voice for gun control advocates.

I'll wager he opened his mouth and said something stupid like "Guns are bad Mmmmkay?"


How about the American Academy of Pediatrics? Tell us what makes them "anti-gun."

All from their web site:

"Use the Child Health Month observance as a context for establishing a new procedure, such as placing a small sticker bearing the image of a gun on patient charts to indicate the family keeps firearms at home. This will serve as a reminder to include firearm safety counseling during routine visits"

Right pediatricians giving firearms advice! Especially when "Some 76 percent (of the pediatricians surveyed) said they do not own guns" I'm sure they learned alot about firearms safety in medical school. Was that class a basic requirement like organic chemistry or is it an advanced elective?

"Two percent of pediatricians are involved in promoting gun control. The same proportion, 2 percent, are also members of gun control organizations"

"Among those surveyed, 92 percent agree or strongly agree that pediatricians should support legislation to restrict possession or sale of handguns. "

"Some 77 percent of the physicians surveyed agree or strongly agree that pediatricians should support legislation to ban possession or sale of handguns. "

"18 percent of the physicians surveyed stated that they always recommend that handguns be removed from their patients' homes. "

June 17, 1998 The American Academy of Pediatrics endorsed "Children's Gun Violence Prevention Act of l998 introduced by Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY).

How about the National Organization on Disability?

Gee I dunno how about having a raving antigun lunatic as their Vice Chairman?
http://www.bradycampaign.org/about/jim.asp



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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 06:53 PM
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64. Hahahahahahahahaha!!
Yeah, dozer....be sure and tell us content is meaningless..

"According to http://www.stopgunviolence.org/Supporters.html he lent his name to the gun control cause, speaking for gun legislation and provided a voice for gun control advocates.
I'll wager he opened his mouth and said something stupid like "Guns are bad Mmmmkay?""
Or maybe he mentioned what a extremist and dishonest bunch of right wing loonies the NRA was.

"Right pediatricians giving firearms advice! "
Yeah, imagine that dozer.

"The American Academy of Pediatrics endorsed "Children's Gun Violence Prevention Act of l998 introduced by Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY)."
Wow! Legislation proposed by a Democrat. The outrages never cease, eh, dozer?


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BullDozer Donating Member (754 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 09:56 PM
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72. whatever Bub
Yeah, dozer....be sure and tell us content is meaningless..

Anyone with a lick of sense can follow the conversation and see that for the purposes of making my point the content of the lists do not matter one stinking bit. But please feel free to try and show how the content of a list will somehow show that other advocacy groups do not keep similar lists.

"Right pediatricians giving firearms advice! "
Yeah, imagine that dozer.


I guess I should start asking my gunsmiths for medical advice then by your "logic".

Wow! Legislation proposed by a Democrat. The outrages never cease, eh, dozer?

Damn straight. I'm well within my rights and obligations to disagree with something that someone with a D after their name says or does.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 07:30 AM
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74. Anyone with a lick of sense?
Hahahahahahahhahha......content doesn't matter, all right.

"I'm well within my rights and obligations to disagree with something that someone with a D after their name says or does."
Yeah, surrrrrrrrrrrrrre....
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