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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 09:48 PM
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Poll question: What Is Your Primary Reason for NOT Owning a Gun?
Equal time .........

Sorry, polls are turned off at Level 3.

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FauxNewsBlues Donating Member (420 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 09:51 PM
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1. Wife would kill me
Probably not. But do I really want to take that chance? ;)

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Vikingking66 Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 09:51 PM
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2. Guns are for wusses; real men use knives n/t
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TlalocW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 10:17 PM
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8. I'm ambivalent about guns...
But I like to play with right-wing gun nuts heads, and I always say this - If a well-armed populace will deter crime, then let's try an experimental program where we take everyone's gun away and give everyone in America a knife so we're all on an equal playing ground. And I don't mean a good knife. I mean a Swiss Army Knife because if you're going to kill someone, you should have to work at it, damn it! Think about the benefits this would have! Not only would crime drop, but if someone did come at you with a puny knife then you can either take your chances and fight him or run away. Either way Americans would be getting into the best shapes of their lives, and really, that's what we should be concerned about.

I've had people walk away from me holding their heads in pain.

TlalocW
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demsrule4life Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 04:26 AM
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18. How does everyone having a knive make it even?
Men against women, young vs old, the strong vs the weak.
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Brucey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 10:32 PM
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9. I'd probably kill myself.
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Pert_UK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 09:51 PM
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You missed one......
"I am a willing victim who would rather be burgled senseless and set on fire than harm a single hair on the head of any vicious, murdering psychopath."

I'm pretty sure that's why most of us don't own guns, isn't it?

P.
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RoeBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-03 03:20 PM
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27. That's alot like my...
...small penis comment on the other poll. :D
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Jennellist Donating Member (72 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 09:51 PM
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3. The possibility of an accident is the #1 reason with me not to own one
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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 09:52 PM
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5. Hey, I'd have gotten around to it!
Tryin' to figger out how the other half thinks here!

(just kidding, y'all are not an "other half"!)
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 10:41 PM
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11. Guess I Beat You To The Punch, Dirk!!!
:-)
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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 09:57 PM
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6. Because my mother still calls me...
reason enough.
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seamarq Donating Member (159 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 10:04 PM
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7. it's those pesky bullets that bother me....
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Procopius Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 10:40 PM
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10. Guns don't bring peace
See Iraq.
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OffWithTheirHeads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 10:42 PM
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12. I'm afraid I might use it.
I shot a little bird once when I was about 12 and I will NEVER shoot an animal again. People, on the other hand, I don't think so highly of.
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 01:12 AM
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13. Naw, I'd just want one bigger and badder than the next guy.
I still hold that the people, as in we the people, should be allowed to own, build, create, use, and stockpile guns. Not that I want any. If I have to give the guy next door the right to vote for something as dangerous as Bush, a gun seems so trivial.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 01:31 AM
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 02:12 AM
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15. To me it would be in defence of democracy.
The best defence for the offspring being to keep our democracy. Even if some are suckered by Bush.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 03:19 AM
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Spentastic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 04:34 AM
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20. It also
begs the question how people without guns seem to have kids, live lives etc etc etc. Perhaps they just don't exist.
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DoNotRefill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:10 AM
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23. are you suggesting that gun owners....
don't have kids, live lives, etc etc etc?
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:36 AM
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24. ya just gotta try *harder*
Spentastic: "It also begs the question how people without guns seem to have kids, live lives etc etc etc. Perhaps they just don't exist.

Unfortunately, I missed what he was responding to; poof, gone.

DoNotRefill: "are you suggesting that gun owners.... don't have kids, live lives, etc etc etc?"

Me: WHY DO YOU ASK?

Why not just ask him whether he's suggesting that the moon is made of green cheese?

You'd have as much evidentiary foundation for that question as you have for the one you did ask.

What was it about what Spentastic said that led you to suspect that he was suggesting that gun owners don't have kids, etc.? You must has suspected that he was saying that -- else why on earth would you have asked??

I thought it obvious that he was responding to someone else's "suggestion" that firearms ownership is some sort of necessity, or moral responsibility, or whatever it was alleged to be, if one is to have kids, stay alive, etc. etc. etc.

He wonders how, if that is true, he manages to do it all without a firearm. Makes perfect sense.

Where do you see the possibility that he's suggesting that people with firearms don't do it?

Do you wonder how, if it is true that people without firearms manage to have kids and stay alive, people with firearms manage to do the same? What sense does that make???

Please. I'm dying of curiosity out here.

.
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DoNotRefill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:49 AM
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25. I was going to answer....
but then I read this:

"I'm dying of curiosity out here."

Mum's the word.... ;-)
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 06:11 AM
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22. I have a 12-year-old son.
While he's a good, responsible kid, I won't have a gun in the house with children.
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-03 12:58 PM
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31. kids is a big reason in my case as well
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Pert_UK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 08:00 PM
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26. Wow....it seems that jokes are forbidden these days....
Amazing. I make a gag.....point out that it's a gag......come back 12 hours later and it's gone.

Oh well, at least now we know.

Of course, it could have been that it was misinterpreted and caused some hassles, so I'm not going to complain too much....

P.
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fortyfeetunder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-03 07:39 PM
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28. Better maiming and killing through chemistry
Most chemicals aren't illegal to own or to use. Simple household shit will work just fine. I got some mag wheel cleaner with hydrogen bifluorite, that will burn the eyes out. Why need a gun?

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LastDemInIdaho Donating Member (483 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-03 09:01 PM
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29. My reason for not owning a single gun is because one is not enough
The virtues of having a diverse collection of weapons is that one can always choose the right tool for the job at hand.
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Fish Eye Donating Member (193 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-03 06:21 AM
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30. Three reasons
for protection: 1. I do not make enemies 2. I am not paranoid enough to hink that someone I do not know will come after me or my family

for hunting: what is the "sport" in using such an advantage when there are other weapons that require considerably more skill.

for killing: only a pussy uses a gun... if you can't stand to feel the warm blood on your hands you shouldn't be killing people :)

But of course guns are a blast to shot at a range!! shooting things is fun! (when they are inanimate targets)
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MIddle Man Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 05:11 PM
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33. Typically what you feel....
....Is your knife crushing against bone and then you have to push even harder for it to pass through to do any real damage, not like in hollywood, people are not that frail. Or you feel your fingers crushing someones throat, but rarely do you feel warm blood, unless it is your own from being hit.

Same goes for if you get stabbed, typically the knife hits one of your bones, the impact is very painfull, but you can still function. People should have the choice to not engage in hand to hand combat if they do not want to. Even for trained soldiers, it can be difficult to do in the end.

Using a baseball bat is an even bigger joke. You will just get beat with it.
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Axman Donating Member (104 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 07:59 AM
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32. I chose other because......
First of all, I used to think no one should have guns. Not even police or anyone else. Then I woke up and started to think a little bit. Now, I just don't have the desire to own one. I don't feel I need one for any reason and I can find better uses for my money.
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DavidMS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 10:08 PM
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34. Why I don't own a firearms, don't have intrest in them at the present but
support the rights of others to.

One the pratical level, I still live at home after graduating from college, because although I have an excelent job working for a stock broker. It doesn't pay very much yet because I haven't passed the series 7 exam and therefore can't recieve commission based pay (a teller's base sallery is greater than mine at the moment). Although I am looking foward to passing it since I am getting anywhere between 2-4 new customer apointments every day (so around 15/week) which is excelent. Even with the unplaned for things that make the job fun (please note the scarcasm). Essentialy its my parents house they are the final arbitatrators of the rules here (I do have quite a bit of imput however).

As for the persional defence argment, I live in a good neiborhood, being burgled or assualted randomly is unlikely. My friends are not the sociopathic type either.

I also have major expences like buying a car (immentantly) and renting an apartment (few months after passing the series 7) comming up.

There is a gun store across the street from the bank I work in (Route 355) in a cheap strip mall, but it doens't look half as sleasy as the car rental place farther down. It just looks like a low-margin bussness. Certanly the customers (presumably of the gun shop) I saw outside oohing and ahing over a generator one of them had in the back of his pickup looked more 'rural' than the average person in Mont. County Maryland.

On the other hand If I support the right of some of my friends to be non-platonicaly gay, into the furry sceene, download p0rn, have informed consentual sex, etc as long as everyone involved freely consents and the risk of harm is acceptably low, I cannnot say any of this is wrong. Likewise, whith gun ownership if someone owns a firearm, its not intrinsicaly a problem the problem comes when that person is an otherwise intrinsicaly a problem. That is if I can reasionably trust someone not to rape a 12year old, produce snuff porn, pass gas in a full elevator, get into a a drunken fight, play real-life Grand-Theft Auto, etc then they are probably suficently self controlled to posess a firearm without dramaticaly increasing their risk to society.

The arguemnt expoused by gun controll proponents that they are just uncomfortable living next to a gun owner is much like the arguemnt by fundamentalists that they don't want to live next to a gay couple because knowing that at any moment two men are carnaly enjoying themselves.

I have meant to write this for a while, so essentialy while I see no point in myself owning a firarm I cannot deny a responsiblie person that responsibility.
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Withergyld Donating Member (685 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 10:26 PM
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35. wow
"On the other hand If I support the right of some of my friends to be non-platonicaly gay, into the furry sceene, download p0rn, have informed consentual sex, etc as long as everyone involved freely consents and the risk of harm is acceptably low, I cannnot say any of this is wrong. Likewise, whith gun ownership if someone owns a firearm, its not intrinsicaly a problem the problem comes when that person is an otherwise intrinsicaly a problem. That is if I can reasionably trust someone not to rape a 12year old, produce snuff porn, pass gas in a full elevator, get into a a drunken fight, play real-life Grand-Theft Auto, etc then they are probably suficently self controlled to posess a firearm without dramaticaly increasing their risk to society.

The arguemnt expoused by gun controll proponents that they are just uncomfortable living next to a gun owner is much like the arguemnt by fundamentalists that they don't want to live next to a gay couple because knowing that at any moment two men are carnaly enjoying themselves."

That was very well said
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MIddle Man Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 10:31 PM
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36. That was good
But I am against carnaly pleasuring yourself with a gun.

FYI pinkpistols.org gay guys with guns
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 06:30 AM
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37. Not Quite
The arguemnt expoused by gun controll proponents that they are just uncomfortable living next to a gun owner is much like the arguemnt by fundamentalists that they don't want to live next to a gay couple because knowing that at any moment two men are carnaly enjoying themselves.

Having gay neighbors cannot kill you. Having an asshole next door to you who decides one day to "go postal" and take out as many people as possible can.
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demsrule4life Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 06:35 AM
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38. But one well placed shot
will stop that asshole neighbor, no asshole has ever been stopped by yelling and screaming.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 07:28 AM
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39. Or just an asshole next door
who decides to play with his gun....or leaves it where his kids can play with it.
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Withergyld Donating Member (685 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 08:48 AM
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40. hmm
both scenarios a possible (neighbor "going postal" and the neighbor carelessly leaving a firearm around) however they are highly unlikely.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 08:52 AM
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41. Yeah, surrrrrre....
And criminals almost never buy guns at gun shows where there is no loophole......and other fantasies of the RKBA crowd.
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Loyal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 03:06 PM
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42. There is no "loophole",
per se. What we don't have is regulation of private sales between people at a gun show, and I don't think we need regulation of that.
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 03:09 PM
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43. Therefore, a Loophole
I believe that EACH and EVERY gun sale should require a background check.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 03:20 PM
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44. I'd agree...
This "there is no gun show loophole" is such a steaming pantload.
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Liberal Classic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 03:27 PM
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45. Woudn't say that is a 'loophole' but desire for universal background check
Calling it the 'gun show loophole' seems to imply the wrong things.

For one thing, gun shows already require NICS or equivalent state background check before transferring ownership. Calling it a 'gun show loophole' makes one think that background checks aren't performed at gun shows, which is not the case.

If your positions is that all private sales should require NICS or the state equivalent then demanding that the 'gun show loophole' be closed might lead to what is an imperfect or inadequate law as a response. A law that would go as far as you want must be clear that there is more than just gun shows at stake, for example, mandating that all sales must be held through a Federal firearms license.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 04:42 PM
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46. Say what?
"Calling it the 'gun show loophole' seems to imply the wrong things.
For one thing, gun shows already require NICS or equivalent state background check before transferring ownership."
Not in 32 states.

"Calling it a 'gun show loophole' makes one think that background checks aren't performed at gun shows, which is not the case."
Hahahahahahaha....

"A law that would go as far as you want must be clear that there is more than just gun shows at stake, for example"
Gee, where else are lots of guns advertised for sale?
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Withergyld Donating Member (685 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 04:45 PM
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47. here
"Gee, where else are lots of guns advertised for sale?"
www.gunbroker.com
www.auctionarms.com
Most firearms related message boards have a "for sale/trade" fourm
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 04:54 PM
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48. And this by you is a GOOD thing?
So tell us, how do these "law-abiding gun sellers" conduct background checks?
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Withergyld Donating Member (685 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 04:56 PM
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49. I didn't say if it was good or bad
You asked where else large amounts of guns are advertised for sale and I answered. I left it up to YOU to decide if it was good or bad.
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Withergyld Donating Member (685 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 05:08 PM
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50. As to how they conduct a background check
If the sale was Interstate the buyer would have his local dealer send a signed copy of his FFL to the seller. The seller would the verify the validity of the FFL on the ATF website. If the FFL is valid the seller will ship the firearm to the buyers FFL. The local FFL will the conduct the NICS check and 4473 form before the buyer can take possesion of the firearm.
If the buyer lived in the same state and the transaction took place face to face the transaction would NOT require a background check unless required by State or local laws.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 05:14 PM
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51. So in other words, the seller conducts no background check
and hopes that the dealer at the shipping point does....which he doesn't have to in most cases.

Well, THERE's an argument that the gun industry isn't corrupt....NOT.
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Withergyld Donating Member (685 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 05:22 PM
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52. The transfering dealer
is REQUIRED to log the firearm into their bound book and conduct the NICS check and 4473.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 05:28 PM
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53. Except when he's not
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Withergyld Donating Member (685 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 05:34 PM
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54. READ
If the transaction is interstate it MUST go through a dealer. The dealer MUST do a NICS check.

If the buyer and seller reside in the same state a background check is only necessary IF it is required by LOCAL or STATE law.

Why is this concept so hard to grasp?
:shrug:
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 05:37 PM
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55. So its required unless its not
and then only if the dealer voluntarily complies.

Helluva system. And this by you proves that there should be no backcground checks at gun shows?

I guess that's RKBA "logic". No wonder you guys think Mary Rosh is a scientist.
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Withergyld Donating Member (685 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 05:56 PM
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56. you are the one making the leaps of logic here
I have been answering your questions. You draw your own conclusions for yourself.
BTW for the THIRD time
The background check is MANDATORY if the transfer is through a dealer.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 06:02 PM
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58. As you've said
the background check is mandatory unless its not... and even when it is mandatory, it depends on the dealer's voluntary cooperation.

"You draw your own conclusions for yourself. "
And my conclusion is that this makes me think internet gun sales should not be allowed...and that the gun show lopphole should be closed.
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Withergyld Donating Member (685 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 06:12 PM
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60. last time
from the ATF web page:
"(B1) To whom may an unlicensed person transfer firearms under the GCA?

A person may sell a firearm to an unlicensed resident of his or her state, if the buyer is not prohibited by law from receiving or possessing a firearm, or to a licensee in any state. A firearm other than a curio or relic may not be transferred interstate to a licensed collector. <18 U. S. C 922( a)( 3) and (5), 922( b)( 3), 27 CFR 178.29>

(B2) From whom may an unlicensed person acquire a firearm under the GCA?

A person may only buy a firearm within the person's own state, except that he or she may buy a rifle or shotgun, in person, at a licensee's premises in any state, provided the sale complies with state laws applicable in the state of sale and the state where the purchaser resides. <18 U. S. C 922( a)( 3) and (5), 922( b)( 3), 27 CFR 178.29>

(B3) May an unlicensed person obtain a firearm from an out-of-state source if the person arranges to obtain the firearm through a licensed dealer in the
purchaser's own state?

A person not licensed under the GCA and not prohibited from acquiring firearms may purchase a firearm from an out-of-state source and obtain the firearm if an arrangement is made with a licensed dealer in the purchaser's state of residence for the purchaser to obtain the firearm from the dealer. <18 U. S. C 922( a)( 3) and (5), 922( b)( 3), 27 CFR 178.29>"
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm#b1







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Romulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 05:58 PM
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57. ?
So its required unless its not, and then only if the dealer voluntarily complies

How is that different from any other law? Either you need to obey it because that's what the law says to do, or you don't need to obey it because the law says you don't have to.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 06:06 PM
Response to Reply #57
59. For one thing
there isn't a well organized bunch of "enthusiasts" lying about most other laws and pretending that a wide loophole in them doesn't exist.
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DoNotRefill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 02:28 AM
Response to Reply #55
63. That's the way ALL law works.
"So its required unless its not"

Take speed limits, for example. It's illegal to go 100 miles per hour, unless it's not (for instance, on private property). It's illegal to go 55 some places, but not others. But speed limits generally don't apply to folks like cops and rescue workers. Legality is determined by the action taken, the location of that action, and the participants.

"No wonder you guys think Mary Rosh is a scientist."

Nope, I thought she was your last date. ;-)
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Loyal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 11:42 PM
Response to Reply #43
62. But,
you don't know about guns. Why don't you leave the ideas to people who actually work around them?
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DavidMS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 09:17 PM
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61. With all due respect...
CO, if the aforementioned asshole should not be let near a firearm there are plenty of other items (matches, gassoline, bleach, amonia, kitchen knives, forks, etc) that also should not be permited near him.
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