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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 08:55 AM
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Britain Tried First. Iraq Was No Picnic Then. (NY Times)
Britain Tried First. Iraq Was No Picnic Then.
By John Kifner
The New York Times
Sunday, July 20, 2003 Posted: 6:09 AM EDT (1009 GMT)


The public, the distinguished military analyst wrote from Baghdad, had been led "into a trap from which it will be hard to escape with dignity and honor."

"They have been tricked into it by a steady withholding of information," he said. "The Baghdad communiqus are belated, insincere, incomplete. Things have been far worse than we have been told, our administration more bloody and inefficient than the public knows."

He added: "We are today not far from a disaster."

Sound familiar?

That was T. E. Lawrence Lawrence of Arabia writing in The Sunday Times of London on Aug. 22, 1920, about the British occupation of what was then called Mesopotamia. And he knew. For it was Lieutenant Colonel Lawrence and the intrepid British adventuress Gertrude Bell who, more than anyone else, were responsible for the creation of what was to become Iraq. A fine mess they made of it, too.

During the First World War, Lawrence had been present at the birth of modern Arab nationalism and fought alongside its guerrillas to victory against the Ottoman Empire, only to see the same guerrilla tactics turned against the British in a rebellion in Iraq.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/07/20/nyt.kifner/in...
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Vichyssoise Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 09:03 AM
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1. Not altogether the same scenario, if I remember me
civics lessons. Though we set in place a ruling family, GB in actuality employed more of a colonization approach. America is already allowing far greater self-determination. It's only requirement is that the people remain free and not under control of another hard-line cleric. It's being done with lessons in mind learned by the Brits, mate.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 09:23 AM
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2. America is already allowing far greater self-determination


What self-determination will Iraq be allowed if the Iraqis determine to go against US interests in the region. The US has stated it intends to leave permanent US armed forces bases in Iraq after the occupation is over and the country stabilized. Suppose, for example, a new democratically elected Iraqi government were to determine it didn't want those bases. Do you really think the US would just pick up and leave. Suppose a new Iraqi government decided to sell their oil in Euros instead of dollars. You really think the US would just say, "Ok, ho hum, go to it. Whatever you want."

Whatever gov't is eventually set up it will be a functioning puppet gov't of the US and whatever veneer of self-determination is on the surface for show, it will fundamentally be severly constrained in its options by the demand that it meet US requirements and expectations. That's why Rummy was so hot to trot to get Chalabi in there to run the show. Chalabi knew which side of his bread was buttered and would act accordingly. The idea that any new Iraq gov't would be allowed to act in any way not in accordance with US interests (except perhaps in some relatively minor matters) is a pipe dream. Self determination my ass.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 09:42 AM
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3. Yes! I read about that Before the Attack on Iraq started!
We knew all of this Before! We have Learned from History!

The Question is: Why haven't they?
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