Americans sow seeds of hatred

[acmavm]

Patrick Graham in Falluja meets angry Iraqi tribes who say they, not Saddam's forces, are shooting down US helicopters

Sunday November 9, 2003
The Observer

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1080989,00.html

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Sarab rolls up her sleeve and looks at the thick scar across her upper arm. The eight-year-old says she was playing in the bathroom of her house when the shots were fired but cannot remember anything else.
'It is their routine,' said her grandfather, Turk Jassim. 'After the Americans are attacked, they shoot everywhere. This is inhuman - a stupid act by a country always talking about human rights

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They also believe that the Koran demands jihad against foreign invaders. Asked how many American lives should be taken if one of their own is killed, the answer is: 'As many as possible.'

Last week an American Chinook helicopter was shot down by a heat-seeking missile a few kilometres from Sarab's house, killing 16 soldiers. It could have been worse, the neighbours say. Resistance fighters were ready to fire another missile at a second Chinook when they were stopped by worried locals.

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This is a lose-lose situation. At least the way it's being run now. The Iraqis hate us. And it's not like we aren't giving them reason to do so. We need to get out now, right now, and get the United Nations in. We have no credibility with the people of Iraq. We keep treating them like they are a mud hut dwelling third world country. This fiasco was doomed from the beginning. The best anyone can hope for is that we get someone (the UN) in there that the Iraqis don't mistrust and hate as must as they do us.

[izzie]

1. We have put these young men in a bad place.

We tell them God is on their side, train them to kill, Put them in a country where they do not speak Arabic, tell them nothing of the culture and tell them they are the best in the world.And we wonder when things go wrong.Smart.Then we have this prez that half the people in the USA can not stand and most of the world hate. Looks to me like it is a downer all around.

[caledesi]

2. These people aren't giving up. How about that new, more

compact missle? This is just the beginning!

According to Khalid, last month a Russian made Sam-7 Strela anti-aircraft missile like the one used against the Chinook could be purchased for $325, mostly from tribes in southern Iraq who collected thousands following the fall of Saddam. He had heard that a new, more compact missile was on the market but did not know the name or the price.

[number6]

3. you reep what u sow

i think were really gonna get reeped in the long run ...

[deric1]

4. A Few Bad Eggs In The Military

Speaking of making enemies, my cousin is in the Marines. He just got home from a year long tour in Cuba. He claims that several people in his unit commonly urinate on the prisoners thru the cages. There is a hill that goes up and around part of the camp X-ray. 12 cages are next to this hill. A few a**holes will laughingly go up onto the hill and pee down into the cages. This one guy always said he was "going to give these sand monkeys some free Mountain Dew".

My cousin hated to see this treatment, but he says "you don't dare say anything when your C.O. is one of the abusers". He said hoses are commonly used to wash these people like you would wash your car. This way they never leave the cage.