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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:02 PM
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Bush wants to have missles in Poland to protect us?
http://www.besternews.com/related/Yahoo!+News:+Top+Stories/Polish+PM,+Bush+to+discuss+missile+defense+%0A++++(AP)/?ref=top

Why can't the EU do that? These missles could be taken by the Polish or the EU against us too.

Can Bush interfer and pay any more countries in the world?
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:13 PM
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1. Bush or his replacement can dispense foreign aid just as long as China, India, et al will continue
to lend us money.

It won't be too long before lenders realize we are bankrupt.

By then, they will have used our money to buy our interstate system, bridges, corporations, research institutions, etc. and We the People will have become serfs in our own country.

I just hope we have enough patriots ready to revolt and throw the overlords out to reclaim our heritage.

We could follow the lead of other countries by electing leaders sympathetic to the wishes of We the People and then nationalizing all the resources and industries sold by Bush and his ilk for a pittance.
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Ezana Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:13 PM
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2. If others need protection, they should ask for it. Why should ....
the US convince (pay) others to have Intercepting Missles installed for their own protection.

This smells a little fishy. There is something that both the US and receiving nations are hiding from the public. Or, there is something sinister in the US´s plan.

No surprise that the Russians are so paranoid about this plan.
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:17 PM
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3. Bush will soon be training their people for the military
and using them (with our tax dollars) as mercinaries for his corporate ownership protection around the world. He could even use them against us.

It is a very bad plan. If any missles are in Poland NATO should be involved and pay for it. We do have treaties (which Bush ignores or makes his own).
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pscot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:39 PM
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4. I wonder if he looked into Putin's soul
before coming to this decision. This has got to be making the Russians nervous as hell.
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Crowman1979 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 03:07 PM
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5. NATO no longer serves a purpose.
The cold war is over, the Warsaw Pact is dissolved and so should NATO. If anything, military alliances should only be temporary and funded on an appropriated basis when war is DECLARED.
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Pterodactyl Donating Member (415 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 11:37 AM
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7. I disagree. Alliances can also prevent war.
If we followed your plan, we would have created NATO only after the Soviets were in Western Europe.
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richardsonfan Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 07:52 PM
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6. Although I disagree with Bush on many things,
I don't have much of a problem with missiles in Poland. Poland allowed them, we agreed to set up locations. The EU would never "take them," being as how it is too much against their interest. Now the secret prisions in E. Europe is something that I don't think should be happpening!
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Alamuti Lotus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 03:09 AM
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9. Polish gov't quite interested in them, actually
Edited on Mon Oct-06-08 03:14 AM by Alamuti Lotus
like the Czech's are about the radar base. Bit of a proverbial finger (won't say which one, but it can be guessed) pointed at Russia. Interesting response from the latter, I should say--"accept those missiles and you become a top nuclear target", or perhaps something even more menacing to that effect. Not exactly the most convincing line of reasoning for them to refuse..

The more interesting argument is how missile batteries in Poland, radar stations in Czech republic, etc... are meant to 'defend' from............Iran and Korea. The Islamic Republic is, of course, known for it's raging hostility to Polish hotdogs, and I personally recall a speech by Imam Khumayni(RA) in which he railed endlessly against the letter 'z'. Kindly ignore all obvious facts and just accept the stated reasoning, please. You will sleep much better for it!
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Pterodactyl Donating Member (415 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 10:15 PM
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8. Yeah! I'm sick and tired of us paying to protect OTHER countries!
We should be protecting Americans! Why spend money on foreigners?
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Qopika Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 03:08 PM
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10. The missiles in Poland and Russian security
The missiles that the Bush Administration is planning to place
in Poland are part of a larger defense plan that also includes
rockets’ launchers in the Czech Republic and radar facilities
in Azerbaijan.  It is a political risk since the Putin
Administration in Moscow perceives those missiles as a menace
to their national security (we have to keep remanding
President George Walker Bush that the United States is not the
only nation with security concerns).  Iran can not be use as a
justification for the placement of rockets in Poland since the
United States have troops stationed in that country’s Western
and Eastern frontiers (Iraq and Afghanistan, respectively),
which minimizes the threats to the USA (www.qopika.net).
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Morpheal Donating Member (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 11:41 PM
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11. MISSILE DEFENCE SHIELD IN EUROPE IS UNNECESSARY WASTE OF MONEY
The Bush administration's proposed missile defence shield in eastern Europe is a total waste of money.

The chances of the system actually stopping a missile attack are extremely small. This is simply common sense ballistics
when you consider how ICBMs are constructed, how they function, velocities, probability and effects of a hit.

It is also true that the system is essentially redundant and that the placement of actual intercepter missiles
in Europe is a political rather than a strategic move. Mostly meant to anger the Russians. We can only guess why.
To promote another Cold War ? Seems the only likely explanation. The practical purpose of the system is serioulsy
in doubt if you consider the science.

In terms of existing anti ICBM defence systems the only advantage that could be gained is the placing of
more sophisticated monitoring systems, sensing devices in effect, to watch for missile launches that satellites
might fail to see. The placement of additional devices of that type, which are fairly large and complex
installations, in Eastern Europe may have some strategic merit, but can the cost be truly justified, in regards
to any realistic probability of an actual hostile ICBM launch originating from within the range being monitored
by that type of ground based system, which is far more limited in range than a satellite system of a similar type.

While we cannot discuss the technologies available that are capable of intercepting an actual ICBM missile
launch and delivery to target, we can say that there are extremely effective systems developed, deployed,
and available.

Missile to missile hits are simply political jabberwocky and anyone really believing that crud should see
their psychiatrist for a reality check.

Cheers.

Robert Morpheal





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