UFO science key to halting climate change: former Canadian defense minister

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OTTAWA (AFP) - A former Canadian defense minister is demanding governments worldwide disclose and use secret alien technologies obtained in alleged UFO crashes to stem climate change, a local paper said Wednesday.

"I would like to see what (alien) technology there might be that could eliminate the burning of fossil fuels within a generation ... that could be a way to save our planet," Paul Hellyer, 83, told the Ottawa Citizen.

Alien spacecrafts would have traveled vast distances to reach Earth, and so must be equipped with advanced propulsion systems or used exceptional fuels, he told the newspaper.

Such alien technologies could offer humanity alternatives to fossil fuels, he said, pointing to the enigmatic 1947 incident in Roswell, New Mexico -- which has become a shrine for UFO believers -- as an example of alien contact.

"We need to persuade governments to come clean on what they know. Some of us suspect they know quite a lot, and it might be enough to save our planet if applied quickly enough," he said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070228/od_afp/canadaenvironmentkyoto

[Taverner]

1. Um, this is why they think we lefties are wacky

[lvx35]

2. He better be careful what he wishes for...

I seem to recall many of the alleged 'UFO encounters' being associated to radiation burns/sickness.

[Crunchy Frog]

9. Not to mention the anal probings.

Why aliens would be so interested in human anuses beats me. :shrug:

[patricia92243]

3. Is this satire? (Or tinfoil?)

[BayCityProgressive]

4. wow

give gramps his meds..

[kenny blankenship]

5. Surely with all their long history of 'probing', the aliens have some ideas

on how we could capture and neutralize the methane emissions from cows?

[DebJ]

6. Didn't the aliens pollute their planet so much and use so much

of their resources that they had to come to Earth to stock up and find a new home?

[Ian David]

7. He's been hitting the maple syrup a little too hard. n/t

[Crunchy Frog]

8. The notion that some Deus ex Machina is going to save us from ourselves.

Sort of the flip side of the notion that we'll be saved by the Second Coming. People don't seem able to cope with the reality that we're doing this to ourselves and that we're the only ones who turn thing around and save ourselves.

Even if we do have alien crafts that have crash landed here (though if they had that level of technology, it's hard to see how they could have accidentally crashed into a planet) what makes us think that we would be any better at deciphering the technology than a stone age human would at be at deciphering contemporary computer technology?

[youngdem]

10. Woah. Someone needs a med adjustment

As far as senility goes though, this seems fun.

[Peace Patriot]

11. Being liberal--that is, being open-minded--means being able to hold more than

possibility, including contradictory possibilities, in your mind at the same time, unresolved, until enough evidence or persuasive argument convinces you that one thing or another is true, or not. The automatic dismissal of an outlandish idea--such as the current one, a former Canadian defense minister saying that there has been a coverup of contact with an alien civilization--as the guy being "off his meds"--is rightwing and also "herd mentality" rightwing, reinforced by the war profiteering corporate news monopolies. This particular outlandish idea is ridiculed by the war profiteering corporate news monopolies and, for the most most part, by their entertainment media. That alone gives it some seriousness, in my view. Whatever the rightwing herd is pushing or marginalizing, it is reasonable to take the opposite point of view, and at least give it a look.

1. Yes, he could be "off his meds."
2. But he is a former defense minister.
3. The main evidence of alien contact has been people--quite a lot of them--who have seen something, or experienced something. Very little concrete evidence.
3. Quite a lot of the people evidence has been from airplane pilots and other good observers--difficult to dismiss.
4. The US government has most certainly engaged in secrecy and coverup behavior whenever strange things, that could be alien contact, occur. Their behavior could be coverup of secret and/or nefarious military projects, or just bureaucratic stubbornness/stupidity. But their behavior has not been fully explained.
5. Personal observation: I know someone of great intelligence and integrity, former AF jet fighter pilot, who chased a UFO and, when he got on the ground, was told, "This didn't happen." He was not allowed to speak of it, and all records were destroyed.
6. This is an AFP report, rather than AP, so the chances of the report being published for the purpose of discrediting a member of a former liberal government are less. (AFP, French news service, are not the lying scumbags that AP is.)

Can this report be easily dismissed as the quoted person being "off his meds"? Not really. It's a strange report, to be sure. But I would want to know more about this former defense minister before I could make such a judgment. My main reason for withholding judgment is the "herd" mentality of the war profiteering corporate news monopolies on election fraud, on 9/11, on the Plame outings, and on a number of other instances of their marginalizing critics and whistleblowers on stories where there is strong evidence of government crime and coverup. Their behavior opens my mind, and makes me even more liberal than I was before, as to giving the "outlandish" the benefit of the doubt, on the one hand, and, on the other, seriously questioning every word that I read from sources that have chronically lied to and tried to deceive us on massive government crime and thievery.

Does that mean that I am "tinfoil" hat? No. It means that I am just an average, rational human being, who doesn't like being lied to. And when I AM lied to, I become skeptical of those sources. And if THEY think that reports of alien contact are bizarre and laughable, well then, fuck them. I will give such reports credence until they are proven bogus--because I know how hard it is to get anything that violates the "herd" belief system into the public venue where it can be democratically and reasonably examined.

It's a wonder to me how many DU posters are sensitive to the rightwing corporate media ridiculing "us"--liberals? leftists?--as being "wacko." We should welcome, or at least show some tolerance of, "wacko" ideas. At one time, the roundness of the earth was a "wacko" idea. The possibility of life on other planets was a "wacko" idea, just a decade ago. Women voting was a "wacko" idea. Indians and blacks and the Irish having equal standing as human beings were "wacko" ideas, back when it was "common knowledge" that such people were deficient in reason and in northern European uprightness. "Tinfoil hatters" on alien contact are an easy group to ridicule, if you don't think too hard about it. Scapegoating is a rightwing mode, not a liberal one.