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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 12:35 PM
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Bloomberg - Japan Triples Radiation Checkpoints As More Hotspots Turn Up
Japan will more than triple the number of regions it checks for airborne radiation as more contaminated hot spots are discovered far from Tokyo Electric Power Co.s crippled Fukushima nuclear power station.

The government said it will increase radiation monitoring by helicopter to 22 prefectures from the six closest to the plant, which began spewing radiation after an earthquake and tsunami struck the station in March. The plan comes after radioactive waste more than double the regulatory limit was found 200 kilometers (125 miles) from the plant this week.

Authorities have refused to give a cumulative figure for radiation released from the Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear plant after estimating in June that fallout in the six days following the quake was equal to 15 percent of total radiation released in the Chernobyl nuclear disaster in 1986. The authorities have been too slow to widen airborne radiation testing, said Tetsuo Ito, the head of Kinki Universitys Atomic Energy Research Institute in Osaka. The government should have expanded the monitoring area by helicopters much earlier to ease concerns among the public, Ito said in a telephone interview yesterday.

Officials on Aug. 12 found compost in a kindergarten yard in Tokamachi city, Niigata prefecture containing radioactive cesium measuring 27,000 becquerels per kilogram, Kenichiro Kasuga, an official at the citys disaster prevention department, said by phone.

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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-24/japan-triples-...
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PearliePoo2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 12:56 PM
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1. Almost 6 months since the catastrophe and there is not extensive testing?
Bullshit.
What is the government going to do about the ensuing panic when the Japanese realize EVERYTHING will be contaminated in time?

From the article:
Japans government is under-reporting the amount of airborne radiation across the country, said Tom Gill, an anthropology professor at Meiji Gakuin University in Tokyo, citing his studies in Fukushima prefecture since March.

The maximum radiation level given for Fukushima prefecture on Aug. 13 was 2.64 microsieverts per hour in the village of Iitate 40 kilometers northwest of the Dai-Ichi plant, Gill said, according to figures from the Science Ministry published daily in national newspapers.

That compares with the official reading in the village itself the NEXT DAY OF 14.2 MICROSIEVERTS per hour, he said, showing a picture he took of the reading on that day.




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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 01:27 PM
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2. I am of two minds about this...
If you have a terminal illness in Japan it would be extremely unusual for your doctor or family to inform you of that fact if it could at all be avoided. While that flies in the face of all that we, here, believe to be right and proper, it has a firm positive benefit to those with the illness as it allows them to live out their last days with a far greater degree of happiness than would be possible if an "official" pronouncement of impending death was part of their mental state.

I don't doubt what Gill is saying at all. I'd like to have a better understanding of the entire nature of the government response, though, before I pass judgment. Their fundamental mistake was following the path of nuclear power and nothing they can do now will make that decision right - which I think is fundamentally what most critics of the government are wanting.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 01:27 PM
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3. Should not be surprising
the first thing, they have not done, is to admit they have a really serious problem and get over the cultural imperative of saving face.
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PearliePoo2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 01:43 PM
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4. MORE from the article:
Japans Ministry of Health, Labour and Welfare plans to conduct radiation checks in food produced in about 100 cities, towns and villages in 14 prefectures because local governments hadnt tested produce by the end of July despite requests by the central government.

The central government will become move involved in testing food to ease concerns among consumers and provide more data, the official said. Radiation checks on produce including vegetables, meat and eggs will be carried out at the National Institute of Health Sciences and the findings will be released as soon as possible, the official said.

Hello!! This is almost the end of AUGUST. The nuke melt-thru and explosion was in March.
How much radiation-tainted air has been breathed or "hot" food swallowed by now?
This is criminal....pure and simple....people need to be arrested.
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SpoonFed Donating Member (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 03:26 PM
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5. Chornobyl on steroids...

Authorities have refused to give a cumulative figure for radiation released from the Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear plant


It is a good thing that we have already received the official pronouncement around here that the issue of Fukushima being Chornoboyl on steriods has been settled.
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FBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 03:32 PM
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6. You might try actually reading some of the history of Chernobyl
It used to get posted around here all the time... but that stopped when numbers started coming in from Fukushima. Can't have the irrational fearmongering of today compared to the reality of the past, now can we?

Authorities have refused to give a cumulative figure

Odd refusal... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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SpoonFed Donating Member (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 06:54 PM
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7. Which history... an objective scientific, peoples history... or
a history sponsored by the IAEA, NRC, TEPCO and the rest of the NukuFuku filth industry?
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FBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 01:40 PM
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8. Pick whichever one you like.
Greenpeace, the United Nations, OECD, whatever.

There aren't any that make Fukushima look like anything more than a shadow of the big one.

There were, for instance, tens of thousands of people with thyroid doses several times that of the children that were reported on here earlier... and several thousand with doses dozens of times higher... and a couple thousand kids with thyroid doses hundreds to thousands of times higher.

And that's just for the evacuees from around Pripyat.
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SpoonFed Donating Member (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 02:49 PM
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9. Oh yes...
lettuce believe NHK, TEPCO, NISA. Oh wait no... dont eat the lettuce.

One of your logical errors is to equate the current bulk of reporting with factual reality. I submit five months of lack of reporting or misleading reporting as exhibit A.

A second obvious problem with your reasoning is that you are attempting to compare an event whose severity has peaked (Chornobyl) (and been studied for 25 years) and an event that still unfolding daily and whose peak radiological effect on mankind may or may not be in the past...

If you have accurate undisputable evidence that children in Japan have received less thyroid destroying nuke filth than in Chornobyl, then I would love to see it. Otherwise I chalk your claims up to more know-it-all proclamations rather than reality.

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FBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 03:41 PM
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10. Like I said... pick ANY source that you like.
Edited on Thu Aug-25-11 03:45 PM by FBaggins
There is no comparison between the two. Take greenpeace's reporting in both places. Use the most optomistic reporting for Chernobyl and compare it to the worst figures for Fukushima.

A second obvious problem with your reasoning is that you are attempting to compare an event whose severity has peaked (Chornobyl) (and been studied for 25 years) and an event that still unfolding daily and whose peak radiological effect on mankind may or may not be in the past...

Nope. That's the same logical error that you made when you misunderstood the post that you now won't reply to. Fukushima most definitely peaked months ago. The current emissions are several orders of magnitude below what they were in those first few days. They're going to spend years/decades dealing with what is now there, but the total emission isn't going to change substantially (which is just what I meant when I said it was essentially over). It will move through the environment, so different plants/animals will show contamination at different times, but it's all from the same deposition of cesium (etc).

But the more important error is that you're simply wrong. This is NOT a comparison between Chernobyl decades later and Fukushima just months after the accident. This is comparing Chernobyl months after the accident. It isn't new data... it's what was done at the time. By five months after Chernobyl, there were already many deaths and many MANY radiation illnesses and many MANY MANY thyroid doses much higher than what we've seen here.

If you have accurate undisputable evidence that children in Japan have received less thyroid destroying nuke filth than in Chornobyl, then I would love to see it.

Let's tell the truth now shall we? You really wouldn't. And how do I know that? Because it HAS been presented and you're ignoring it. You would rather have the irrational paranoia than say "you know what? It looks like they dodged a bullet".

The thyroid dose is almost exclusively from radioiodine that is long since out of the environment (to multiple decimal places anyway). The dose that was reported for those kids IS the dose. Absent a new nuclear accident they aren't getting any more radioiodine to their thyroids. The highest reported dose isn't in the same ballpark as the doses from Chernobyl.
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